Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of youf're the cure. I'm Dr. Ben Edwards. We have Abraham John back again.
I had some questions for Abraham and I think a lot of you do too. And we've had emails. I had a lady come up, Abraham, at the last conference I was speaking at, which was in Denver a couple weeks ago, and just beelined it to me with your book. This book, the book we talked about last time. Tree of Life.
The mystery of the tree of Life. She had it in her hand, had all kinds of markings in it. She'd been reading it and was just so grateful, as am I.
And I do want to say I apologize in some previous episode. And I don't know if it was with Abraham or not. I think I mentioned that the more mature listeners, and I meant that chronologically, just the older folks, you know, may. Maybe they're just not going to receive some of this. It's. It's for the younger people maybe. And, and boy, that lady corrected me and she was a little more mature and she was fired up and excited and we had an email similar expression of thanks and gratitude. Life changing. Even though, you know, they were more advanced in years. So I definitely don't want to categorize anybody based off age that you can't receive. We can all receive the truth, even till the last breath. So.
But with that being said, I do do want to say I feel like we're in a season of just metanoia, that metamorphosis, that repenting the changing of our thinking, going beyond our old way of thinking. God is just bringing us, it feels like at light speed into another level of maturity.
And if you never read the Word, really catching these different verses about maturing. Even the word sun S O N. I've done a word study on that and there's different words in scripture for that word son S O N. And our Bible, of course, just says son.
But if you go a little deeper into that study and see there's this maturation, there's an infant son word in, in the Greek, and then there's a, like a young adult and, and a little bit older and then this fully mature son.
And that's a huge, I mean just sonship in general is a huge revelation. You're not just some old sinner saved by grace. We're more than that. And this orphan mindset that you have to be your own provision and protection. We've done shows on that.
You could camp out on that. I had to camp out on that for many Many months just chewing on that and receiving that truth into my heart. And that's just one aha moment. Sonship and the maturation.
But we're in this season of aha moments and, and new and deeper truths being conformed into the image of the Son. And, and we were originally made in the image and likeness. But there's this process and that gets into soul versus spirit. All in our spirit man, we have the mind of Christ.
We have every spiritual blessing in heavenly places. We're seated in heavenly places. We have everything for life and godliness. And you can throw in a lot of these verses about maturing up to this fully mature son and the body corporately together. I think it's in Ephesians, the fivefold ministry given until we're unified and of this mature state.
So what I'm getting at is there's just a process of growth and maturing and putting off the old man, putting on the new, receiving what Jesus bought and paid for. I think we've talked about with Abraham before. A lot of times we're praying and asking God for things that he's actually already done, and therefore we shouldn't be asking him for things he's already done. But there's just this blindness that's getting cured. This we're seeing and we're hearing more and more and more because there's a purpose in a fully mature body of Christ in the earth that is the solution.
Through all the chaos in the world right now, and especially with these counterfeit things and these misinterpretations of end times, there. There's been the last days multiple times Abraham talks in his book about Jesus has come multiple times. And the kingdom has come multiple times. But. And is coming. But there's a fullness of it.
But what I wanted to talk about today. And so, guys, if all that was new to you, go listen to some of the old podcasts. There's a lot to chew on. I highly recommend a series of books. And Abraham could comment on other ones too. But what happened to God? We've talked about this before on, I think, two podcasts ago with Abraham discovering the lost kingdom, and then what we talked about last time, the mystery of the Tree of life. There's some really, really good, just overarching concepts of truth, of the kingdom in there to chew on and digest. And I mean, you can read those over and over and over and over and, and renew the mind to the truth. Because here's the truth, guys. The earth, this physical realm that God created there's something special going on with that something. It holds some special place. It appears in God's heart. And that's what we're going to talk about today. Because we're not just getting out of here.
We're not all just rapturing out of here. And then this thing goes up in flames.
The righteous inherit the earth.
Heaven's coming to actually in the original heaven was came into the earth. The Garden of Eden was heaven on earth. And as long as we maintain that relationship, that that culture of the kingdom of heaven was operating in the earth, in the physical realm, that that's God's intent, that's what he wants, it's his desire, his goal, his will is for the culture, the kingdom of heaven to operate in the earth. And it was.
And he's decided to op. He wants to operate that with us, mankind.
And then of course, we know what happened. Mankind decided to go do it their own way.
Jesus came to restore that which was lost and bring that back, the access to that culture. We have that now.
And as he comes into our hearts individually and corporately as the body, then that culture of the kingdom of heaven is going to manifest more and more and more and more and more in the earth. And that's the point.
But we've got to die to our old ways, our old thinking, old teachings. It weren't just exactly right. Just like in the medical world. 1910, the Flexner Report came in and shut down all natural healing and put everybody into pharmaceutical world. I was looking back, it was the year before that, 1909, the Scofield Study Bible came into seminaries and it kind of sent everyone on a certain path, you know, theologically, I would say, in the teachings, seminaries. And then there's stuff we can get into, not on this podcast, but 1913, the Federal Reserve comes in and it takes our finance system a certain way and every system. And it seemed to all happen in the early 1900s. Actually, when you look at the finance system, the education system, the theological religious system, medicine, something about the early 1900s, it's really interesting. I've never asked you about that. Hey, Ram May. We'll talk about that. But it's like the enemy just decided, boom, 1900, the first decade. We're gonna really bring some, some chaos and confusion into this and standardize it across all, all of these institutions.
But the point being, Revelation 22, we talked about the last, the end of the last show with Abraham, the tree of life, the leaves of that tree, healing to all the nations. The earth is Being restored. And we're a part of that.
It's a big, big, big, big, big deal. We've been. We've. We've not been taught the truth in some of these areas. So Abraham. I asked Abraham to come back on and talk about this topic because I think it's so key to.
Everyone's looking for an escape and looking or for a fix to the chaos in the world. And it's causing mental distress, emotional distress, physical distress. There's physical death going on in the world. There's just chaos. And everyone's looking for the answer.
And there's only one true way that will restore. And all of creation's actually waiting for it.
And that's a hard pill to swallow. Some people think there's nothing. God's just in charge of this whole. In control of this whole thing. And we don't have too much, like, we can't influence.
We might talk about that too. All right, Abraham, welcome back to the show. Thank you so much, my brother in Christ.
[00:08:42] Speaker B: Thank you, Dr. Ben. It's such an honor to be here. Thank you for inviting me back.
And I believe, you know, as you said, people are responding, testimonies, emails, and if anybody out there have a question for me, they're always welcome to contact me directly or email or Facebook or the YouTube channel called the Kingdom University. The Kingdom University. You have plenty of videos out there on the Kingdom of God, your purpose, your calling, your gifts. So feel free to contact me if you have a question regarding anything that I share here or what you read or read in one of the books. I'll be more than happy to give you my feedback. I don't know everything, but I know somebody who knows everything, that is the Holy Spirit, so we can go to him together.
But I'm so blessed and honored to be back on this podcast. Dr. Ben on you are the cure.
That is a powerful name. Because whatever is going on out there in this world today, you and I are the cure. Not just for our physical illness or disease, but the world around us.
The Holy Spirit wants to highlight to you, our listeners, our viewers, that you are the cure for all the trouble that is happening out there that may be impossible to swallow. Like Dr. Ben just said, how can we going to solve Jesus is the solution? Well, Jesus came to solve the problem that we couldn't solve, which is the sin problem and the devil problem.
And we still think sin is the problem that we have on the earth. No sin was solved on the cross, but we don't know how to walk in victory, Jesus defeated Satan on the cross.
But we don't know how to enforce that victory because we are not walking in our purpose.
We inherited a religious mindset, says, hang in there, the trumpet is going to blow someday. We are all just going to disappear and just wait around, survive until that happen. No, I just want to tell you, life is not a random experience of events.
Life on earth is by design. You are here because God Almighty sent you to this earth, because you carry the cure or the solution to one or more of the problems this earth and the world has. Dr. Ben is a solution. He's the cure for some of the ailments that people are fighting in their natural body and in their mind. Because he's releasing his curse Kingdom assignment. He is walking in his kingdom assignment.
Just like that. Each one of us are supposed to work out, work out our salvation. Remember that verse you might have heard in church? Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. What does that mean? The salvation that you received.
Now you have to manifest it. You have to unpack that gift that God gave to you.
That gift include everything that you need, your physical healing, emotional healing. And once we are healed, then we can reach out to the community and the world around us to bring the cure that they need.
And I feel strongly, my God upon the Holy Spirit, upon me when I say that because we are in the midst of, of the greatest awakening maybe since Jesus came to this world 2000 years ago. Remember that when he came, everything changed.
And ever since 2000, almost 2000 years went by. We are at a critical juncture, a turning point, the pushback that is happening in the world, either through wars or shadow shaking of economy or political uncertainty or whatever is happening, my dear child of God, it is to keep you distracted. But if you look deep inside you, what is happening inside you as a human being, in your spirit, man, in your consciousness, there's an awakening happening.
People are awakening to their true identity, purpose and assignment. That's why we are here with this podcast, to encourage you to bring that word of encouragement, to create, to cause a hunger in you, to think beyond your circumstances, beyond the distractions that you're faced in your life right now. Because you are here on a mission and you are here on purpose.
God Almighty released you because you and I carry the cure this world and the people around us need. And that is the purpose of this podcast. That's why we are here, because we are in this midst of, I can say revolution, the greatest revolution that ever happened. Politically, religious, every false systems, identities, Whether it is religion, politics, whatever is out there, the blindfolders are coming off, people are thinking and beginning to know there's something more out there than what I knew, what I was doing, what I was told to believe.
And that is the, the stirring that is happening in your spirit, man, as you're listening to this podcast. And we just want to add little fire, little fuel to that hunger, so that you will continue to seek God's kingdom. Like Jesus said, seek first his kingdom. Because this earth was created for a reason.
We are here because God put us here. If God wanted all of us in heaven, he would have just kept us there to begin with. Why would he send us here? Why would he create Adam and put him on the earth? If he wanted him in heaven, God could have just kept us there. Why would he let us suffer like this on the earth? Because it is not accident, it's not a mistake. We are here not because of Adam fell.
We are here on earth because that was God's original intent. And Adam was not created to die.
Death came because of sin.
If sin didn't enter this world, nobody would die. Adam wouldn't have died. He would be here after 6,000 years. He would be 6,000 years. Now imagine Adam lived close to a thousand years.
We are maybe 50, 60, 70, whatever. Imagine you live up to a thousand years. How does that look like?
Yeah, that was God's original plan.
We messed it up, but Jesus came to restore.
And I want to end by this, you know, this introduction, the purpose of salvation. I just posted this on Facebook and then we can discuss about this. Dr. Ben, if you want. The purpose of salvation is to give us a total reset, an opportunity to go back to our original factory setting.
That's powerful, right?
[00:16:29] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:16:29] Speaker B: Purpose of salvation is to give us a complete reset. Anything and everything that was damaged by sin and give us an opportunity to go back to our original factory setting. Like an electronic or something that you use doesn't work, you click on the reset, it goes back to the original factory setting. That's what Jesus did on the cross. He pushed the reset button to put us all back into the factory setting. But we are not there yet because we got distracted, we got deviated, we got deceived by the religious spirit. Now God is bringing us all back to this original intent. That's why we are here.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: Yes. Amen. And that original operating system was. I was calling it the culture of the Kingdom of Heaven. It's how you relate to God, relate to others, how we make decisions, even day to Day decisions. Instead of self centered, it's other centered self sacrificial love. Those are characteristics of the kingdom. Those characteristics and traits from our Father the Creator, God almighty God most high Alpha Omega was in communion with his created being mankind Adam. And that, that's the original factory setting is God's way in everything. All decisions will be made through that filter, that lens of the kingdom.
And then sin is that Abraham just said. But remember guys, that separation missing the mark. And how did Satan get Adam to choose to miss the mark and make a decision? He qu. He got a question mark with Eve originally on her identity.
That's where he comes at us. He gets us to question God's character in nature and our and then he comes after our identity. You can't trust God basically. And then you're not who God says you are. Those were the two core questions to even that's where he comes to us too. That's the root of sin is separation from identity on us. You know, God's identity and our own identity.
So that's a big thing to camp out on there too. And it's not just get saved, go to heaven.
It's this returning us back to that original operating system so that peace can reign and rule and righteousness can reign and rule and joy can reign and rule. And all the fruits of the spirit that are naturally produced in a tree fruits don't yet to undo effort to produce the fruits of the spirit. They naturally flow. And that's supposed to rule and reign. But it's got to rule and reign in our heart. And that's what the aha connection moment is. Your heart, beliefs and your thoughts change your DNA. This is where the physical connection comes. It changes your DNA changes structure of the water and you're one big bag of water. But it changes the physical circumstances out there based off what you believe and you say and you do is coming out of the heart. So the you're the cure that Abraham's talking about is for this very reason.
When we let righteousness, peace and joy rule and reign because we're connected back to our original operating system, then that will flow in our words and actions and decisions and how we love our neighbor instead of love ourself. And that affects your family, your neighborhood, your work and co workers, your sphere of influence. And that ripples throughout the world.
And that's how God's kingdom will come on earth as it is in heaven. And that is the point of this whole thing.
And so the more we can dive into scripture and The Holy Spirit shows us more and more.
[00:20:06] Speaker B: Cool.
[00:20:06] Speaker A: I'll just call them cool things. For me, it just solidifies it more in my heart. Now, if what we're about to ask Abraham to talk about next, it's probably going to be new to you.
You know, you're going to have to chew on it. If you want to spit it out, that's fine. It's not like you can't be with Jesus forever if you don't get this right this minute.
But for me, it just was a deeper man.
The earth and mankind in the earth with Jesus, not on our own. It's with Jesus, the kingdom, there's a purpose in restoration. So here's the question, Abraham, or you can comment on that too. But Genesis 1:1, in the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth, verse 2. And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. I was listening to another past retired pastor the other day and he broke down the definition of that word in the Greek was.
And part of that definition was to become.
So let me throw that in there. The earth became without form and void and darkness. That's interesting.
[00:21:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:26] Speaker A: So that should create a question in your mind if it became that way. And then he kind of had a second verse out of Jeremiah 4:22. When it talks about, well, I'll just read it 4:22. For my people are foolish, they have not known me. They are sotish children and they have none understanding. They are wise to do evil, but to do good, they have no knowledge. Basically saying these people are just loving evil and doing evil.
And I beheld the earth and lo, it was without form and void in the heavens, and they had no light.
That's in Jeremiah 4:22,23. And the point of that teaching from that retired preacher was that same phraseology, it was evil that created the formless dark and void. So you go back up to where you see those same words first in Genesis 2, dark, formless void. And you put in that Greek word, it became.
So that opens up a big question mark.
What happened between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2? And if something did happen, what happened? What happened? What's the point of that? Do we need to know that? Does that impact where we're going? Does it impact.
What's it matter? Basically, why would we even care? So, Abraham, talk to us about this.
[00:22:46] Speaker B: Because our history affects our future. Because that's where the root. We have to know the root. So I will Start with saying, why did God decide to create this earth? Why are we here?
Who am I? You know those three fundamental questions every human being asked in their life? Why am I here? Who am I? Where did I come from?
Why did God create this earth? What was his original intent? In his mind, our God is king.
He is the king of kings. He has a kingdom. And it is the nature of kings to extend their kingdom to new territories. That's why even in the natural world, kingdoms used to colonize other nations. So you know about colonization that happened even still today people speak Spanish, Portuguese, English.
Because those kingdoms went and colonized other countries.
That comes from God. Even though we did it for the evil reason or the wrong reason.
God, who is a king, he wants to extend his kingdom to other parts of this universe. So he created the Earth to establish his kingdom. That's where we see in the Old Testament and in the New Testament where Jesus said to pray for. For what? Not to take us out of the earth. For his kingdom to come to earth. His will to be done here as it is in heaven. So we need to establish that foundation and God's original intent, right? God created this earth to establish his kingdom, to extend his kingdom. That's why we saw in the garden of Eden Dr. Ben was talking about what was Garden of Eden, Extension of heaven on earth. God brought a piece of heaven, planted it, established in the east, called it a garden. In that garden, God's will was done as it is in heaven. There was no sickness, there was no sin. Everything was perfect.
So Genesis 1:1. That's where my journey started. I learned this Bible verse in Sunday school. But I never understood that verse, to be honest with you, until I was 35 or almost 40 years old. That's when I understood what Genesis 1 meant. It says, in the beginning, God created heaven and the Earth. What does that mean? Heaven and earth were created at the same time.
This is very important.
I don't want you to miss it, because I know we think the earth is only 6,000 years old. That's what some of us, we were told or taught or red. But the Bible says God created heaven and Earth at the same time. When was it? In the beginning. That means heaven and Earth were created and they are same age. As long as heaven is in existence, Earth also has been in existence, which could be billions of years long.
That's what I could say. I don't know the exact amount of number of years this earth has been its existence. As long as Heaven has been in existence, this Earth has also been in existence. And we are not the first inhabitants of this earth. That might blow some of you, but I will give you my evidence right there from the Bible.
We are not the first inhabitants of the earth. We are the first humans on the earth. But before God created Adam, there were other creation existed on the earth. Because when God started, what we heard In Sunday school, six days of creation from Genesis 1:3, what he was actually doing was he was remodeling the earth, restoring the earth. Because the earth covered with water already existed. When God spoke, let there be light, in Genesis 1:3, when he said, let there be light, what was here, the earth filled with darkness, void, without form, was already in existence.
Don't forget that, because that is the foundation we are going to build everything. We are going to talk today. Maybe, I don't even know. We will finish this in one podcast.
But when God started speaking, remodeling, restoring this earth, this earth filled with water, darkness. But the spirit of God was already here. Remember, verse one, chapter one, verse two, Dr. Ben, just read. The earth was without form and void and was full of darkness. But the Spirit of God was hovering, brooding over the waters. And God looked at that water, that earth, in that chaotic, formless, void state. But the Spirit of God was here. And he spoke and said, let there be light. But I want a personal light. This word, personalize this word for you, for our audience. Whatever situation you are in right now, whatever stage your life might be without form, void. Maybe you're thinking hopeless, depressed. But I want to tell you, God wants to speak life into that situation. Doesn't matter how hopeless it might look. If you have might have seen this earth in Genesis 1:2, you wouldn't see any hope for this Earth because it was void, formless, full of darkness, no life, no light, no order, no shape, no beauty. And God started reshaping, reforming, restoring that earth. And that is the God you and I believe, and I speak, that life, shape, beauty, order, restoration over you.
[00:29:08] Speaker A: Amen.
[00:29:09] Speaker B: Wow, that's a powerful word, Dr. Ben. I sense in my Holy Spirit. Some of our viewers need to hear that, because Holy Spirit wants to remind you, don't give up. Doesn't matter how much your situation looks hopeless. Because if you looked at that earth in Genesis 1 and 2, you wouldn't say anything good will come out of this. It's just a mass of darkness. No shape, no beauty.
Nothing good can come out of this. But if you give that to God Almighty, he can bring something so beautiful, the planet that we are living in right now, the United States, the country, the beautiful country God entrusted us, that came out of that void, that Genesis, chapter one, verse two. That the earth that was full of darkness, shapeless, this beautiful country came out of that. You and I came out of that chaos.
And that is the God we believe.
And he wants to come to your situation, your family, your relationship, your health, and nothing is impossible with him.
And he wants you to believe that. And we want to release this word of hope into your spirit as you are watching this word, because this word is going to revolutionize your life. It's going to bring shape, order, beauty and hope to your life, to your family, the child that you're worried about, your daughter that you are crying about to God. Lord, what am I supposed to do now? Give it to him.
Give it to God Almighty, the Father of all spirits. He can handle it. He can take care of it. He can bring. He can restore what the enemy tried to destroy. He can bring life back to your situation like Lazarus was dead. I'm sorry I'm going like this, but.
[00:31:13] Speaker A: No, you keep going.
[00:31:14] Speaker B: There is an anointing. There is a. There is an inspiration behind what I'm saying, because I'm not just saying for the sake of saying it, because this is ministering to somebody out there watching this broadcast. Because this is your turning point. Today is your turning point, because you thought it was over. God is saying it's not over.
Amen. God is over you. It's not over.
It's not over until he says it is over.
Your health situation, your financial situation, your relationship situation, it's not over until he says it's over. Give it to him, surrender to him, yield it to him. And he can bring, because he is big enough to handle it. So coming back to our Earth situation, because this podcast is special, this podcast was ordained just for. For you, my dear brothers and sisters. So the earth that we see, anything that God creates, He creates. And it is perfect when he creates. He doesn't create something that is out of order, that it doesn't have any shape, that is full of darkness. No, no, no. That's not how God works. Because his works are perfect.
His ways are perfect. When God creates something, it reflects his character, his nature, his ability, his creativity, and heaven itself reflected in every act, every word God speaks. So imagine when he created. In the beginning, God created heaven. Heaven was perfect. It's still perfect. Beauty, roads are made out of gold. And he created the earth. What you expect earth to be.
If heaven is perfect, when he created it, it's still perfect. In the beginning, when he created heaven and Earth, Earth was perfect. Earth was beautiful.
Earth was created to reflect heaven. But something happened to this Earth because the actual Hebrew translation of Genesis 1:2 says the Earth became void, formless, filled with darkness.
Because something happened to this Earth.
What happened to this Earth?
I believe because the Bible gives us full of evidences about what happened on the Earth and who was on the earth. You might have heard of a guy called Lucifer, right? You might have heard that name before.
Who was Lucifer? Lucifer was an archangel. His original rank is of a cherubim, one of the spirit beings that God created.
Lucifer was given the assignment to establish God's kingdom on the earth before Adam was created and given the same assignment. You and I might have heard saying Lucifer was in heaven and he was a worship leader.
You might have heard that, right?
[00:34:32] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:34:33] Speaker B: That is not in the Bible. There is not a single verse from Genesis to Revelation if you read it, where you'll find Lucifer was a worship leader in heaven. Singing or playing music to God in heaven. No, no, no.
There's not a single verse.
Both Old Testament and New Testament. If you read about Lucifer or Satan, after the fall of Lucifer, he became Satan. Both Old Testament and New Testament talks about him as being a king that has a kingdom.
Wow, that might shock some of you. What does it talk about? Both Old Testament and New Testament, anytime Satan is mentioned in his original assignment or fallen assignment, it talks about being a king who was a kingdom. Here are some examples I'm going to give you few from the New Testament. First, because you may say Old Testament is old, but New Testament is when Jesus was on the earth, the temptation of Jesus, right? In Luke chapter four, Matthew chapter four, what did the devil came, took Jesus to a high mountain, showed him all the kingdoms of this world. And what did Satan tell Jesus? All these kingdoms? All this authority has been delivered to me, to Satan.
And if you fall down and worship me, I will give it to you.
Can you imagine Satan talking to you? Jesus, who is the creator of the universe, Creator of this world and the earth. Satan is telling all the kingdoms of this world. I don't know which mountain. He took him to show all the kingdoms of the world. Some high mountains up there to show Jesus. And Satan is saying this kingdoms have been delivered. It's under my authority.
That means he's a ruler.
Jesus said that in John, the ruler of this world, for the prince of this world is coming. Not the worship leader, not the musician, not the guitar player that we think Of Lucifer. No, no, no. Or with a spear. The prince of this world, the ruler of this world is coming. John, chapter 12 and 16. Jesus talks about that. Another words that to prove that, that Jesus said that Satan was a king is in Matthew chapter 12, verse 26, Matthew 12:26. Jesus said when the Pharisees complained, this man Jesus casting out demons by the demonic power.
So Jesus trying to defend himself by saying, if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided himself in himself and any kingdom that is divided cannot stand. And he's saying, if Satan divided in himself, how can his kingdom stand?
This is Jesus's own words. I am directly quoting Jesus words. Jesus is saying, if Satan cast out Satan, how can his kingdom stand? Not his choir, not his music school.
Jesus is saying, Satan has a kingdom, so he should be a king, because kings have kingdoms. In Revelation chapter 2, verse 13, where we talk about the letter to the church in Pergamum.
There was a city in Asia Minor in the early century or in the first century called Pergamum, this church. When John was writing to this church, the angel said, write to this church saying, I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is.
Can you imagine? This is Revelation 2. Thirteen says, I know where you dwell. The believers in Pergamum, where Satan's throne is. So Satan has a kingdom, Satan has a throne, and then he says where Satan dwells.
So both Old Testament. Let me read now the Old Testament words.
Are we good, Dr. Ben?
[00:38:59] Speaker A: Yes, perfect.
[00:39:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So I'm just going to give you the foundational verses that prove who Satan was or who Lucifer was. So there are two passages in the Old Testament that talks about who Lucifer was before the fall of Lucifer and where he was.
First one is Isaiah, chapter 14, verse 12 onwards. Isaiah chapter 14, verse 12 says how you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer. Lucifer means light bearer, son of the morning. See, he was a son of the morning or a morning star.
How are you cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations? See, for you have said in your heart. What did he say? What is the first thing Lucifer said in his heart? He said, I will ascend into heaven.
I want you to think with me, Satan. Lucifer is saying, I am going to ascend to heaven.
If he was in heaven, he doesn't need to ascend to heaven. We were told sin originated in heaven. No, that's a wrong assumption. It is a lie. Sin did not originate in heaven. It's impossible for sin to originate or any evil to originate in heaven. Satan was not in heaven. Lucifer was not in Heaven. If he was in heaven, he doesn't need to ascend to heaven. Then he said, I will exalt my throne. See again throne. Because he's a king, he has a kingdom above the stars of God.
I will also sit on the mound of the congregation on the further sides of the north.
Lucifer was given the responsibility of establishing God's kingdom on the earth. He was the first one who was given that responsibility, which he did. He established the most magnificent, amazing kingdom on the earth.
It was the most glorious. Remember the story or the history that we read about dinos, dinosaurs?
Where did those dinosaurs come from? Because when the flood came, what did God tell Noah? He said every creature must be get into the ark. Two, two of every creature, every living creature. God did not tell Noah to exclude dinosaurs.
He didn't say that every living creature. God specifically said two of every living creatures was inside the ark.
And where this dinosaurus comes from, I will tell you. Just hold on, hold on for a minute. Where this, where all these fossils that scientists and archaeologists find that are millions and millions of years old, where did they come from? Where did they live?
There was the civilization that was on the earth under the management, rulership of Lucifer. He established God's kingdom on the earth. It was the most amazing, glorious, prosperous kingdom on the earth. Which we read in Ezekiel chapter 28, verse 12.
Ezekiel, chapter 2812 talks about how Lucifer was created, what he was doing and his nature, character and his capacity.
In Ezekiel chapter 28, verse 12. This is talking about a king, but it doesn't say Lucifer. But there's no human person who ever lived to match this description. There's no human ever lived to match this description. Ezekiel is writing by the Holy Spirit. He says you were the seal of perfection.
Which human do you know? That was the seal of perfection that lived on the nobody. Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Who's that? That's not a human being talking about, it's a spirit being. This talking about the Lucifer. You were in Eden.
Who was in Eden? Only Adam. That we know that we read in Genesis chapter two. Who was in Eden? But this guy, this king was in Eden. The garden of God. Every precious stones was your covering. Lucifer was made of special stones.
That's how God created him. He was the most amazing, magnificent creature. If you see him, he's not a guy with the two horns and with a spear tail looking like a spear. No, no, no. This guy was the most amazing creature that you will ever see. Covered with precious stones and music was built into his body when he flew in the atmosphere. That's who he is. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you the day you were created.
That just a snapshot of how Lucifer was created. What did he look like? What was his capacity? Then it goes on to say, you are the anointed cherub who covers anointed cherub. That word anointed in Hebrew is mimshak.
That is the only place in the entire Bible that Hebrew word appears, Dr. Ben.
That mimsha anointing. You were the anointed cherub. That word anointed is English, but the Hebrew word for that word, anointing is mimsha. And it only appears once in the entire Bible. Why? Because that anointing represents a special grace that God gave to Lucifer. It actually means the grace and the capacity to expand.
Any idea, any creativity, any seed that you give to Lucifer, he grows, multiplies, makes a business out of it, and fills the whole earth with it.
Even today, anything that the enemy does, it spreads like a wildfire.
Marketing ability, the ability to expand, to come up with ideas, innovation. Who has it more than the children of the light, the children of darkness does. Why? Because of this capacity God gave to Lucifer. The devil, the mimsha, expansion, manufacturing, innovating idea. That's where Jesus said, be wise.
A serpent. What was he talking about?
We need to take back this wisdom, this anointing that God gave to Lucifer because he is judged. That's how Satan came into the garden to talk to Adam and Eve.
How did he get there? Because he was cut down to the ground. He was ascending to heaven to take over God's throne.
A battle broke out in heaven. He was cut down to earth. If he was in heaven, why would he end up on the Earth? How did he get here? Because this was his original kingdom.
That's why the devil is even still fighting today for the Earth, because this was his original kingdom. Even though Jesus defeated him, dethroned him, cast him out, being a prince or a ruler of this world, he's still acting like nothing happened to it. Because you and I, God's children, are not awakened yet to our original identity, capacity, and purpose. That's why these podcasts are so important.
I'm sorry, Dr. Ben. I kept going. But this is important to lay that foundation.
[00:47:26] Speaker A: Don't be sorry, Abraham. That's exactly the foundation we needed laid. And I hope people are hearing what you're saying. And if you didn't, then rewind it again. Rewind it. Listen again. Rewind it. And it's in the book, too. What happened to God? And of course, it's in your Bible.
Chew on this.
It's so key. Because for me, the question goes to. Okay, if what Abraham's saying is right on the money. And God wanted to expand his kingdom into a physical realm called the Earth. And he made it perfect and beautiful because everything God makes is perfect and beautiful. And then it became dark, formless void. And Satan was the original one. Lucifer. Excuse me, was the original one who God said, go.
You go and you rule and you bring my culture into the earth physical realm. Lucifer, go. Do it. And he did.
But then pride came, and he tried to ascend. He got cast down.
[00:48:30] Speaker B: So.
[00:48:30] Speaker A: And then some kind of destruction ensued at some point. Dark, formless void. You know, chapter.
[00:48:38] Speaker B: Yeah, that world was judged. When he was judged, that Earth also was judged. And that is the Earth we see in Genesis 1, verse 2. In that judgment, the Earth was completely destroyed, judged and flooded with water. That's why. Why it became without foam and void. That's the earth we see there.
[00:49:01] Speaker A: Okay, so God didn't just say destroy, done.
And let's just keep heaven perfect and keep going in. In this heavenly realm and do whatever I want to do up in the heavenly realm. Only he didn't do that.
The Earth was.
Was still there in the dark, formless void. That part.
So God had this other, okay, Adam, go. Well, let there be light. And then reform it. Create it all. The animals, the plants, the land, everything that we read about in Genesis. And Adam, now you go.
You're my son.
You go and establish my kingdom. You rule and reign my way. Because I'm coming down to walk with you in the cool of the day, in the garden. Every day, I'm coming to walk with you.
And. But ultimately, you have dominion over the birds in the air, the fish in the sea, and over the beasts of the field, and over all the Earth. Not over your fellow man, but over all the creation. You have dominion. You're in charge. You make decisions, and what you say goes.
But I'm walking with you every day. So let's bring heaven into Earth. The Creator of it all is walking with his creation. And the one in particular, made in his likeness and image, has dominion over it, but he's with his Father, and boom, it's great. That's perfect. And everything was great and perfect.
But there's this thing, and we're running out of time, but I'm gonna go ahead and say it.
Choice, free will. That's a Big buzzword. Some denominations. This can be a controversial thing, but this thing about choice and I think it's tied in with love.
And that's another. You gotta think through can you really have love if you don't have choice? Because I would say no, you're a robot doing, running your program if you can't choose. There could be some controversy there. But the point being God has his plan made a decision. Put his likeness and image into the earth in a physical form called Adam and, and walk with him in relationship. And, and everything will be great. But choice is there. We choose wrong through deception rooted in identity not seen clearly. God himself. And boom. In, in chaos ensues and, and, and we don't have time to go into all the covenants that God came back to. You know, to Noah, the covenant with Noah and then he came to Moses or Abraham and the covenant there. And then Moses and when David and, and and then the everlasting covenant Jesus fulfilled. So boom. Jesus comes as the ultimate restoration, restoring that which was lost. Bringing this thing full circle back.
And then he goes and says I've it's better I go now. My Holy Spirit's going to come live in you. So he got us back access back to that culture in that kingdom. We had to have a payment for the separation, for the sin and all the destruction of that. We had to have that payment to take care of that. Because we can't be in the presence without the penalty paid.
So we paid that penalty to re. Establish the portal of presence of God in our heart. We have to receive that free gift. Nothing about performance in that we, we just receive.
But, and then, but we still have this choice. We can either die to ourself or we can walk in a way that seems right to man and we can do it our way. And it's going to turn into self preservation, self protection, self promotion. That's the orphan spirit. When we don't know our Father and we got to do all this stuff on our own, we got to die to that. Die, die, die to all that self centeredness and let Christian rule and reign in us.
We're the vessel. We're the third temple. The body of Christ corporately together. Jesus is the head. There's no third Temple physical third temple being built where He. He's the temple. We're together. Anyways, that's all. Another conversation too.
I'm fast forwarding because we got about 10 minutes left and you can say whatever you want on all that Abraham, but what I'm fast forwarding to is the conclusion of the story that everyone's freaking out about is, is this Antichrist coming? Are they trying to blow up the Temple Mount today so they can build a third temple and that'll usher in the Jewish Messiah? Slash, is that the Antichrist? Slash, is that bring in Armageddon, the end of the world, and we. Or we get raptured out here before all that and just wow. I mean, all this kind of language and story and talk is going on right now.
What is the end of this story? And it involves mankind, obviously. That's the key point of this whole thing. We have a key, key, key role to play in this, of the restoration. Because if God wanted to defeat Satan once and for all, throw him in the lake of fire, which is going to happen, he could have done that in Genesis 1:1 instead of 1:2 being the Earth's still here. But so there's more point to it. Go ahead, Abraham.
[00:53:44] Speaker B: To know the end of the story, we have to know the beginning of the story.
[00:53:49] Speaker A: Amen.
[00:53:50] Speaker B: So we were told by religion. God created us to worship him. Because Lucifer was the worship leader in heaven. He fell to replace him. God created you and I. It's not in the Bible.
Lucifer was created, appointed to establish God's kingdom on the earth.
And he established it. He became proud, for he wanted to go to heaven to take over God's throne. He was cut down, judged, came back to earth, guarded in removing from the earth. But he did. I am going to, he said. He said, I am going to create another sons and daughters of me in his likeness and image. That is you and I created and put on the earth to establish the same assignment, which is to establish God's kingdom on the earth.
Whether it was either any dispensation, whether it was covenant or promise, law, grace, God's purpose is the same.
That's another important thing. We want to lay that foundation. Whether it was in the Garden of Eden, in the Old Covenant, in the New Covenant, God's purpose remains the same, which is to establish his kingdom. So when God came down to Eden, what did he bring his kingdom to earth? When God came to meet with Moses in the Mount Sinai, what did he bring? The constitution of his kingdom nation.
When Jesus came, what did he bring? He brought the kingdom.
Then Jesus said in Mark 9:1, Some of you standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God come with power. What was he talking about? He was talking about the day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit came.
If the Father came with the kingdom. Jesus came with the kingdom. What do you think the Holy Spirit is going to come with? He came with the kingdom because they are one same mission, but different ages or seasons of time.
You and I are here to fulfill that assignment. So this war that is happening there, this is not the end of the world.
This is not Armageddon like some people are saying.
We are just distracted. That is the purpose of all these things happening, to distract us from our original assignment. So that you and I will go to the grave without fulfilling the purpose for which God created us. That should not happen. That's why you are here watching this podcast.
[00:56:32] Speaker A: Amen.
So we're not just hanging on for rapture. We're not just here to get saved in the. In the meaning of just get to heaven, get to heaven, get to heaven, get to heaven. Our ticket to heaven. That is so backwards. It's bringing heaven into the earth.
That's the point. And some generation is going to get this and I think it should be this one.
I mean there's enough understanding now. We've gone through enough.
I don't. Religion's probably the best term, but enough interpretations of God and of religion and all this were.
And it wasn't it. Not saying there's not some pieces here and there and everywhere, but this full picture. The kingdom, the gospel of the kingdom, not the gospel of salvation. Let's populate heaven. No, that is not it.
No, there's a multi million dollar ministry, political kind of ministry that's preaching that thing. Let's go populate heaven. They're tour right now to do. No, they're missing the mark.
[00:57:35] Speaker B: We are, we are living in a time where politicians are acting like prophets and prophets are acting like politicians and newscasters are acting like theologians.
That's our problem.
Yeah, we did a powerful series. Dr. Ben, I think this will bless our viewers there.
I am in the middle of a series, seven week series called Discovering the Kingdom Within.
And all those videos are posted on our YouTube channel called the Kingdom University. You can go there, watch it for free, subscribe to the channel. It's called Discovering the Kingdom Within. Jesus said in Luke 17:21, where's the kingdom? It's not going to come in the millennium or somewhere out there. It is in you and I, in our spirit, man.
So please make sure you watch that.
Six weeks, actually seven weeks. Six weeks is done. One more Sunday next week we'll complete that series, Discovering the Kingdom within and it will bless you and give you more in depth teaching about your purpose. The kingdom the original. All those things are there.
[00:58:49] Speaker A: And I want to endorse that. It's awesome. And say thank you to Abraham for making that available. No charge. There's a lot of other resources on the website, of course, these three books, books I mentioned earlier, but there's way more, probably 40 books.
There's so much, and it can be overwhelming, guys. And that's the point. It's actually so simple. But we've been taught so wrong or been so distracted, like Abraham keeps saying. And just look over here and look over here, and all these different interpretations we've. We have to unlearn, and that's that reboot, reset that factory setting back to the original. We've been programmed with malware, malware, malware, and just so much distraction. It's all rooted in fear and self preservation.
So it's. It's actually pretty simple. Abide in the vine, and every day just go and commune with your father in heaven, hear his voice, and do what he tells you to do.
But we're not trained up in that, and we're not used to that. We're schooled in so many other things, and then there's just total distraction. And we're walking by our five carnal senses and walking by sight, and we're not supposed to do that. We're supposed to walk by the spirit and walk by faith. And we can hear.
And we don't have time today because I told Abraham, maybe we'll have time to cover both how to hear God's voice and this whole Genesis 1, two part of things, but we don't. We're out of time. So we'd love to have you back, Abraham, to talk about hearing God's voice, because it can be that simple. Trust God, hear his voice, obey.
And then as a corporate body, his kingdom comes more and more and more and more, and then it's there. We're back how God originally intended it to be. I'll give you the last word, Abraham.
[01:00:34] Speaker B: I just want to finish where we started. The purpose of salvation is to give us a total reset, an opportunity to go back to our original factory setting. In your spirit. It starts with your spirit, then it starts. It goes to your soul. Like Third John says, as your soul prospers, you'll be in health.
Then it manifests in your body. That's what Dr. Ben is specialized in, the body and the soul.
So it's time for us to go back to our original factory setting, functioning in God's image and likeness.
Everything will fall into the right place. Because you and I are the cure.
Don't forget that we are the cure. And please don't forget to get these books from Amazon or From our website, thekingdomnetwork.org this will revolutionize your life and answer more questions. What happened to God? So thank you, Dr. Ben. This is such an honor that you invited me back to share this word with your audience globally. God bless. You may continue to prosper where it has health care and everyone watching. Thank you so much. See you next time.
[01:01:54] Speaker A: Okay? Thank you so much, Abraham. You're a blessing to me, to my staff, my patients, and of course, the audience in the world. Thank you. You're a real gift.
Walking in your true identity in the kingdom.
Okay, everybody. This episode will be like all of them on our website, veritas wellnessmember.com and if you do need help with the physical, there is a stewardship of the physical. I believe in that. We need to move. We need to eat real food. We need sunshine. We need some basic stuff. It's kind of simple, too. In the. In the natural, physical realm, stewardship, we can teach you that. We have wellness navigators who walk you through that.
But also, we don't just focus on that, obviously, because our thoughts, our heart, beliefs, everything we're talking about today impacts that physical. So it all goes together.
But seek the kingdom first. We'll be back next week with another great show. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye.
