Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hello, everybody. Dr. Ben Edwards here, coming to you from a remote location today. I'm, I'm actually out of town. And so is our guest, Chris Blackaby. I'll bring him in in just a second.
Guys, you know the measles that popped up and we kind of had to divert our attention for a minute and go after that topic and address some concerns and try to deal with the fear and, and some misunderstanding on that topic. But if you go back prior to the end of February, I think is when that's measles started.
You can go and listen to Jim, or, Excuse me, Steve McVeigh, Quantum Life did a couple interviews with him. Dr. Robin Perry Braun, Jim Richards, Jamie Winship, even way before that. Caroline Leaf, switch on your brain. Bruce Lipton, the biology of belief.
We're going to shift back to that kind of general realm, the invisible realm, the supernatural realm, the quantum realm, however you want to define that. And guys, let me just remind you, you know, people seek out a doctor because we have a physical symptom. Typically that's the reason you go to the doctor because you're hurting or you've got a disease, your blood sugar's up, your acid reflux, migraine headaches, infertility, fibromyalgia, you name it, autoimmune cancer, heart attacks.
And so obviously we don't ignore those symptoms. But doctors can only treat a symptom.
Conventional doctors treat it with pharmaceuticals, more holistic, integrative doctors treat it with nutraceuticals. And that's okay. There's no shame or condemnation in that. If I had a massive headache right now, I might consider doing that.
However, as we've talked about before, we're not just physical molecules. So let's take your gallbladder. If you're having gallbladder pain, you could take a microscope to that gallbladder and zoom in on that thing and get down to the actual cells that make up your gallbladder and the cell membranes made of fat. Inside the cell there's water, and inside that water floating all kinds of different organelles made of proteins like DNA and mitochondria and ribosomes will keep zooming in on that and you'll get even deeper into atoms. And atoms are made of protons and neutrons. In the nucleus, electrons, negatively charged particles orbit the nucleus.
I've talked about this before, but for new listeners, the equivalent distance between that nucleus and those electrons that orbit the nucleus is like put in a golf ball on the 50 yard line of your nearest NFL stadium and mosquitoes are buzzing around at the top of that light pole.
99% of this atom is empty space, empty of physical matter, physical particles. We used to think protons were the smallest particle. And then we figured out there's quarks and tachyons and fermions. And you keep going low enough, you get the vibrational frequency only it's just energetic forces. Think of a magnet. Two magnets you put together, they almost pull themselves together, that attractive force or flip it and they repel. There's an invisible force between the poles of that magnet. So this is what we're talking about, these invisible forces, energy and frequency. And light is both a particle and a wave.
But if you get down to the very essence of who we are, it's vibrational energy. And this is hard for the western minded person to grasp. It's still kind of hard for me to grasp. We're so carnal, five senses driven. We can touch, taste, feel, see, but that's just the way it is. Quantum physics has proven it, it's clear. But the, the interesting thing is the dynamic of how our thinking, not our intellectual thinking, our core beliefs from our heart change that vibrational frequency that therefore impacts the physical atoms that make up your cells, that make up your gallbladder, that make up you. And we stay way up here on this level of my gallbladder hurts, let's cut it out.
And we don't see deeper things. We don't see how thoughts rooted in bitterness, unforgiveness, anger can change the physical function of your cells.
It's incredible.
So going to heart beliefs guys, that's what we're going to do today. We're going to talk about that. And I do want to say I know we have a lot of new listeners and, and I don't ever want to come across as number one, that I know it all. But number two, when it comes to talking about God the creator, there's so many different religions and I don't really get into religious stuff. I want to say some of the kindest, sweetest, most hospitable people I knew identify themselves as Muslim in medical school. They're the most hospitable classmates I had Muslim. That and great. I go to their house and eat. I had another guy, Latter Day Saint Mormon religion is what he and, and I, I got introduced to taco fish tacos. I thought fish and tacos, those don't go together. And this guy made me fish tacos because his two year mission from his church was down in the Caribbean and He had this amazing recipe and it was great. I was in med school too. He actually asked me to come onto his basketball team, his recreational team at his church and I did that. And I've spoken at Catholic church, Episcopalian, Presbyterian. I've gone to all the churches. So I'm not talking about church. Guys, we're going to go deeper than church. So Chris Blackabee, recently it got introduced to Chris and he talked about body, soul and spirit and he talked about these three realms and where you're operating from. And he talked about the tree of knowledge versus the tree of life and it was awesome. So I asked Chris if he'd come on. He's a very busy man. He's on tour. He's going to be traveling all summer doing things, but he could get on here today. So, Chris, thank you so much for joining us and making time on your busy schedule.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: Pleasure. It's a real honor to be here and this is very important.
So. Yeah, I'm actually with a doctor friend now. We might write a book together. His name is Dr. Ross Hauser from, from Florida and I'll see him tonight. And so I really believe as a Christian that believe in spirit and believes in miracles and there's in healing from faith in the word.
I'm a big fan of the medical community, so.
So I believe in it all. So it's all for health. So I'm really happy to be here.
[00:06:10] Speaker A: Well, thank you.
Could you kind of give a little bit of your background as much as you want, just to kind of introduce to the audience kind of where you're coming from and how you got from there to where you are now? I know you said before we hit record that could take eight episodes to do, but whatever piece of your story and your testimony you want to share.
[00:06:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll be super quick relatively. But like you, I grew up in a very. I had a Catholic church upbringing, a Catholic school upbringing with a, we'll call it evangelical church, no Holy Spirit situation.
And over time, When I was 16 or 17, I moved out of home and moved to the city for schooling the board.
I decided to take God seriously, which is as close to a conversion story as I have.
I just thought if God's true, I'll take him seriously. I started to reinvestigate it myself on the other side, I was a very sick child and then a sick teenager.
And in hindsight, now we know I grew up in a lead smelting town. So a smelter we made zinc and aluminum and lead and it was surrounded by crop dusters. And I grew up in a house that had lots of animals in it. And those few things together made a very difficult childhood. Plus I had the genetic predisposition to store metals. And you may understand those things. You can ask about that later if you want to.
And so by the time I was 30, my desire to follow God and find God, up, up, up, up, up. But my health had gone down, down, down, down, down.
And by the time I was 29, 30, my whole system had crashed because it was under stress from birth. And then genetically, environmentally, which got worse and worse.
And by the time I was 30, alternate integrated and traditional had all said, we think this is your last last year, like six months tops, maybe two weeks if you get, like, lymphoma, because you're in the high risk category for those things.
So after serving God my whole life, and really with good intent, good honor, not out of slavery or, or works, but in that he is true. And I want to do what's right. I want to do honor him. I'd ended up in a very awful condition. If you saw me, you'd know why the doctors said what they would say. I weigh about 20 kilos, so 40 pounds less what I weigh now. And yeah, my immune system had collapsed. So that doesn't kill you. What you get next kills you. Similar to aids, you know. And they said that's what they'll say. You die, it would whatever kills you first, they'll say that's what killed you. But you've got so many underlying faults and conditions from the environment and genetic. And so this caused a crisis of faith because this is not the results promised in scripture or from church culture or denominational understandings and crisis of faith. And I realized I didn't know God really at all, or I didn't know the king, the gospel at all, or even how.
How reality structured. I knew what had been framed up for me within those denominations that I was part of, which is no critique of them.
It's just. It left me as a youth pastor and as a pastor, you know, probably nine years, all up, you added up together.
I was left burnt out and, and dying.
And this is. There is obviously a disconnect. And then all you know at that time is that the Bible is true and God is true. And so you're the problem.
That's. That's the conclusion you come to. And so I thought, I'll just die and ask God what I did wrong.
And that was my whole understanding of God, the situation. Like I Tried, I gave it my best shot. And the conclusion you, you come to is that there's something faulty about you, there's something fundamentally faulty about me. That this good God has done all these good things and all the promises are there and you just can't access it, you just can't receive it. Or even worse, God just won't give it to you. And God's not giving to you because there's something wrong about you. Because guilt is I've done something wrong and shame is there's something deeply faulted about me and for that reason I'm not worthy or can't access or God was ambivalent to my cause. There's something inherently unlikable about me or unworthy about me before God and verbalized or non verbalized, that's the situation you're in now.
So that's my story up to there. And we can go many different ways, but as you would understand not speaking to your group if before you're two, definitely by the time you're five, you've wired up is the world safe for me or is the world dangerous for me? And that's a, that's your neural architecture which is obviously, you know, is plastic and can be changed, but you wire up that way. And so you wire. If you as a baby you try and work out is the world safe for me? Is it? And I am people coming to protect me because I'm worth that or it's not safe, no one's coming to help me. And I wired up that no one's coming to help me. Probably due to many environmental your body as a baby you can't descend difference between your body and the environment. And you and I wired up the world is unsafe, which puts you in a permanent vigilant state. Yeah. So in permanent vigilance you're in permanent fight or flight. Permanently adrenal. You don't sleep because the bear could come because your amygdala doesn't know if it's cat hair or a violent animal or mostly unsafe or lead.
It just realizes I'm unsafe. And so you wire up that way. And so for all my life my default wiring is vigilance.
And vigilance is like beta state mind and vigilance bastate ties you into the natural realm because you can't go into the spiritual realm or you can't even meditate or go into spiritual realm because your brain wants you in the physical realm because you need to look after yourself because no one's coming to help you. And so your, it turns off your digestion, the bear's coming, you don't need to to digest food. It turns off your immune system because the bears coming, you don't need to, you know, five disease right now. And also turns off lots of your social systems in your soul, body and soul. Because if a bear is coming, you don't need to look for micro expressions, you don't need empathy, you don't need oxytocin, you need to look for big movements, spot danger, and all your peripheral vision actually turns down. And what's supposed to be like a 20 second or five minute hit at most at some time in your life becomes your default setting. And as you know, adrenaline is toxic to the system permanently if it's if over long term. And so that's how I wired up. And so I was in that fight or flight system the whole time, which obviously leads to heavy inflammation. And once you're wired up to look for toxins from the environment, you find more and more and more.
So yeah, start with this many allergies, you get this many and this many, then some people have some deep trauma will actually become allergic to the environment to, to just electromagnetic frequencies because it's still inflammation, still energy coming in that frequency because we can't see it, it's there. So you can see how that works along that line.
And so over time I got allergic to start having large chemical sensitivities, which I wasn't before.
And then I started having extreme mold sensitivities, as you would understand.
And because my body is scanning the horizon and fighting things and setting off alarm signals for things that aren't even unsafe. That's just in the physical, obviously you have it in the emotional as well in relationships. And your body's always scanning for like rejection or trouble.
And you're just trying to live your life, you don't sleep.
You know, your resting heart rate asleep is probably 80 when you don't go into deep sleep. You need deep sleep to detoxify the mind, especially when you've got a heavy metal load anyway and that leads to inflammation and which is your deal there. So you can see the, the whole process once it goes into that way.
Now as humans we were designed to grow up in the Garden of Eden under approval and provision coming to us.
We never supposed to know what it was to defend ourselves. Yeah, to reach for something with our own hand, to take the tree of knowledge of good and evil, to protect ourselves. Because the garden produced and all they were doing was governing production. You know, it was growing. You just had to shape it according to your desires and image and then the approval of the father. So you have the approval of the father looking at you, which is that co regulation as we'd call it now, of mother and, and child. Then your whole nervous system, vestibular system, everything is at peace. You only know peace and you work out of that system, no inflammation, you're in safety and you wire up to rest and digest and you wire up for connection. And your base understanding is that you are so worthy that the living God comes to see you. You're so worthy that all of nature responds to you.
And then that's the situation we're meant to grow up in. So we didn't. So take the load off everyone like forgive yourself, forgive everything. There's no, there's no shame.
We weren't in the environment we're supposed to be in. And if you experience some trauma where a caregiver betrayed your trust, sometimes emotionally, sometimes physically, then the very thing that's supposed to that, that, that face of gaze looking at you, that you are approved, you're one we're co regulating. You've ever seen that. The still face experiments from Dr. Edward Tronic. I have a message on YouTube called the still face God. Certainly worth looking at. It shows how a baby is always looking at its mum to work out who it is and its place in the world. And that mum's approval shuts down the whole system into peace.
But if the mother just goes blank, not like angry, just, just blank, just smiling, smiling goes blank. The baby in less than a second, you watch it in a microsecond, doesn't know what's happening because it's not under approval. Approval is your base set, not neutrality, loving approval. As soon as that face of approval is not there, a baby is looking at someone's face with no pre verbal and we'll instantly go into panic and we'll start losing control of their body and can't look and then can't look away and can't look back and starts engaging in all these mechanisms to re engage the parent, which is what religion is, that's us re engaging mechanisms to re engage God rather than knowing we have his approval.
So I have a very high value for the body and its mechanisms, how we were made and I have a very high value for, for me as a Christian, how Christ has reset us.
And that base approval of Christ who looks at you, the Father who sings over you, you're perfect in his eyes because you are perfect. You've been perfected and you have absolute access to the Father at any time based on Christ's work alone. So you can't even change that.
Your actions don't qualify you actions don't disqualify you because you received a word, you have God's approval of you. And you can sit in that beautiful gaze of the Father who just loves you and adores you as you are like a mother with the door. A baby hasn't done anything, he just adores you. And that reset, that is the base reset through the work of Christ that you're a new creation, you are a baby again in some ways you're born again and that's who you truly are. And God loves you gazing at that. And you sit in that approval. And from there you can co regulate and your body and your soul can change and your neuroplastic mind can rewire and, and you can now source from spirit as opposed to sourcing from soul and body. And because spirit is unlimited resource and soul and body are limited resources.
So if you're happy to me to keep talking the way I am here, because basically there's three realms that humans live in.
Spirit, soul and body. And spirit is uncreated, okay. And it's unlimited source.
And then there's the creative realms, the scene and the unseen. So seen is body. Like this is the scene realm got created. We all know that God made the heavens and the earth, so the unseen realm and the seen realm. And we know that through Christ all things are made, seen and unseen. Okay, so the scene realm is Newtonian physics. It's this, okay, Works by gravity and law of entropy unfortunately and other things, okay, Heat transfer, all the things you know about. And it has laws.
And this is the, the atomic realm. And when we say Newtonian physics and it's physical, measured by physics and we like. And that's the scene. Taste, touch, sea room.
And then there's the soul realm, the created unseen. But it's real, your soul is real. It's here. It has its own rules like forgiveness, blessing and cursing, holding confession.
Very popular now is holding intentions and pictures in your mind. They're all soul, realm, laws. And it's also part of the created realm. So you've got the, the third realm, spirit uncreated, where God lives. Then you've got the unseen and the scene. And that's the temple, that's the other court, the inner core holy place. And then the holy of holies. And there's a curtain in there. Yeah. And the priest used to go through the curtain into God's presence. When you accept Christ in your life, that curtain is also torn and you become integrated spirit, soul and body.
However, we've been taught to live by soul and body, and soul and body are inside creation. So if you're inside creation, you're under the laws of creation, the Newtonian laws, and then the quantum. This is Newtonian. This is quantum physics, okay? Because quantum physics are affected by the soul, as you know, by human intention, human observation, human desire. They don't follow Newtonian laws. That's inside creation. And you know that inside creation, one of the laws is the conservation of energy.
There's nothing new in here. So when you pull from these realms, okay, you're using a limited source. It's not wrong. Just know you're using a limited source.
And so if I need some blood, well, that blood has to come from someone else. Okay? There's only limited blood in the world.
But if you pull from spirit, which is uncreated, it's a. It's an unlimited source. So this is word, spirit is word, soul is wave, and body is particle. And we understand wave and particle, wave and particle. And that's what the world has to deal with. But if you know Christ, you've connected to God through the work of Christ, you have spirit, soul, bodies, you have word, wave, particle. Because God spoke and it became matter. Yep. And that's how it works. So when Jesus healed somebody's eye, let's say some didn't have an eye, and he said, I be, his word is becoming flesh.
Now, when he said I be or I be healed atoms didn't, you know, come out of a tree and then fly through the air. And the tree's a little bit more empty. And these I became.
That's inside creation. But he's from outside creation. He's from heaven, as are we now born again from heaven and say his word from unlimited resource became flesh. So new energies enter the system.
So Rome 1 and 2, seen and unseen, particle and wave, Newtonian and quantum are inside creation and they are under entropy. They go from order to decay. Yep, we understand that. And we also know they're not connected to life. From the Garden of Eden. That's inside the garden. That's the cherub and the. And the flame. And this is the crowd realms. And so they're under death and decay to being under death and decay and under entropy. If we use them as sources, we're sourcing from a much lower law.
Yeah. And they will contain some level of decay. So, for example, as we talked about earlier, if I look to anything from inside creation, its laws or its source as my primary source, I'm using a much lower level. Not wrong.
Just a lower level. Okay. It can become wrong if it comes to God. To you. We'll get to that later. But of itself, God created it. Okay, So I look to organic avocado. I get. I'll use this again. This is my organic avocado. I say organic avocado. You're so healthy. You have the good oils, and you have the sunlight, and you have all the nutrients.
Organic avocado. Give me life. Yeah, we're looking to. I think we're governing over. That's underneath us to give us life.
Now, this is under decay and is under entropy. And it may be under Monsanto, hopefully not.
And we're asking to give us life. And it does. It gives us some, but it's not very efficient. There's a lot of waste, and we're looking for something that's decaying to give us life. Now, Romans 8 says that all of creation is yearning for the manifestation of sons to set it free from its frustration.
So creation's actually looking to us, and it's saying. Looking at me and say, hey, son of God, give me life.
Make me where I'm supposed to be.
Because all of creation is under a frustration. It's been turned down. Its frequency has been turned down from. Like, it's been turned right down so that we can grow up, become the sons of God we're meant to be, so we can give it our glory. That's what Romans 8 says. It's not buying Creation, not waiting for Jesus to come back. It's waiting for revival. It's not waiting for the Rapture. It's time for us to grow up and be mature sons. So primarily spirit, which is love, which is maturity, and to bring from spirit that unlimited life through our souls, through a healed soul, into our bodies. So Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, Spirit, soul, body. Yeah. Holy pollies in the core. Alcohol. We're supposed to bring it down. Heaven come to earth, not. We're waiting for earth to die and go to heaven.
We want heaven, which is life. Unlimited life to come from spirit into our souls, into our bodies, and into the world. And so all creation which is currently turned down, you've never seen a tree. You've only seen a tree. Subject to frustration, never eaten an avocado. You've only eaten an avocado. Subject to frustration. And it's waiting for us to become the Sons of God that we are the new creation, that we are mature into that which is to become love as you'd say. Which is which I would say too. And to bring that to the earth. So all earth's waiting for the manifestation of the sons and we bring life down. So when you source from inside creation as your primary source, you're using a lesser source. Not wrong.
Just putting things where they are. So you can see that soul is above body. And so you can change your soul, you can change your body. And that's a higher law. But the highest law is spirit. Where you're one with God and you get that right. And then your soul can know it's unloved. Under unlimited resource of a loving father. You're back in the garden. He wants to provide for you. He's got plans for you. You're greatly loved and you're righteous. You're right before him because you believe the word then that can come into the body and heal the body.
That's the idea. Now we're all under process.
So do I believe that 100% am I here to govern creation? 100 I'm here to bless the animals 100%. But if I go to your house and you have cats, I would take this medicine from, from this realm, from a factory, probably pharmakia, to calm down my adrenals and my immune system, my histamine system so that my keep my emotions in check and that my body doesn't crash. So I'm under process. In some areas we're all different. I believe God in this area. I don't need anything from here. I don't need anything from here. If God said it done, settled. If God told me today, move to Japan, I don't have to. I'd say we'll have any friends. Do I have any money? Could I have to buy a plane, rent, you know, I don't have to ask these questions because God said that. Spirit. What God said that word? It's done. I'll just go. So I believe him for provision.
But if there's cats there, I won't go because I don't believe him. For my body.
Will I die? No, I'm not scared of death. But I am scared of cats, you know. So we're all under process. And slowly, slowly, slowly. You want to bring these things up.
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[00:30:21] Speaker B: So in Genesis 2, God shows Adam and Eve all of creation and they look at food and the food is beautiful to look at, useful to eat. Okay, not necessary.
Beautiful to look at and useful. That's the order when the devil shows the tree of knowledge of good and evil which has its own fruit to Eve, it becomes useful to eat and good to look at. So it's become use first, pleasure second. That's the perversion. Yeah, and that's the trouble we're in now. We live under the fallen state or fallen mindset. Food becomes use first and pleasure second. And what God wants to put everything back in order that we resource and pull from his spirit, the spirit inside us. The same spirit that rose Christ from the dead quickens your mortal body and in your soul at being at peace and delight with that life comes to your body and then food becomes a pleasure and useful.
So the big pattern we're in now for medical and this is the transition we're all making because I believe in the body and I believe in Cairos and I love massages and I love biology and people who study how the body works. It's just I could deep dive into it endlessly but I'm also fascinated by the soul and psychology and child development psychology and and attachment theory and all these things they're all studies of. They can't become our source.
They're interesting, they're useful but not necessary. And so the all sin. If I can use that term, all sin is us reaching with our own hand to take something with our own hand by our own strength that God wanted to give us through relationship or has given us already.
So Adam and Eve, they had the remaining image of God, then grow up and become like him, his mature children. The devil said, if you take from this tree, you'll be like God. So they already had it. The devil told him, you don't have it. God is holding out on you. You need to reach with your own hand to take it. So as soon as you don't believe you've got it through God giving it to you, which is that rest and digest. Beautiful, approving God looking at your face, you gazing back like a mother and a baby. As soon as you don't know that as soon as you don't know you've got it, you will do something together.
That thing you do together is religion. That thing you together is using the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to know what's good. To know what's evil and do good, to qualify yourself before God by your own strength. Now, good from evil is to know a law or to know a religion, any religion, including Christian religion, if you're using it to get to God as opposed to receiving the person of Jesus Christ for a promise and all being given.
So reaching your own hand.
No good from evil.
If you don't know that God wants to give you health or has given you health through the new creation, that by his stripes you are healed, and that's the rest you have. No matter the pain in your soul or the pain in your body, that rest that God is looking at you and gazing at you, there's nothing wrong with you. He's not holding out on you, just believing that word, not worrying about what's happening in your body or soul at the moment. If you don't know that God's going to give it to you. So you don't know about God. You do know about God, but you don't know he's good. We don't know He's. You don't know. He's already given it to you. Then if you don't know you've got it, you will do something together and you'll reach the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Now, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you have to know what to do. Don't do evil. Do do good. Yeah, and that sounds really wise.
But the knowledge of good and evil had one fruit, and that fruit's the good and evil fruit.
It wasn't a good fruit and the evil fruit. There's the good and evil fruit together. And as you take of that fruit, it has the same seeds, which is death and separation. Okay, so religion, if you get, you go to a church that has a really high religious legal structure.
If you can't comply, you will run away.
So the knowledge of good and evil, you go do evil or you comply and you work hard, hard, hard and comply. But you're not earning anything. You're climbing a ladder against the wrong tree. Eventually that will produce death in you as well. The knowledge good and evil can only produce death.
Doing good for God or doing evil, running away from God is the same thing.
It's the older brother, younger brother, both didn't know they were welcome in the house. So they didn't know if that. They didn't know they had it. The younger brother chose evil, he went to naughty things. The other brother chose good and he did really good things.
But they both end up in trouble. The younger brother comes back, the other brother, we don't know he was doing good to get himself in the house. And the father said, you're always welcome in the house. That's my character, that's my nature. So we're always welcome in the spirit. We always welcomed, receive the promises and the healing ending. The house is ours, but we don't know we've got it. We'll do something together.
So we reach for knowledge of good and evil. Now in good medical systems, like benevolent ones, I hope that we're part of, if you reach for them as our source, we're reaching for the avocado and saying, give us health. We're reaching for the knowledge of good and evil and we want to do good as our source. Now here's the cruelty of the knowledge, good and evil.
Once you have a law and you can attain to it, you're doing well. But as soon as you can't attain to it, now you go into condemnation because you knew what to do before, you didn't know what to do and you were happy walking through the earth. Okay? So sometimes I go and preach in countries and because I'm a western, they know Westerners like Coke and what they'll do. I get me a bottle of Coke like this, it's been sitting in the sun, right? And I, I am trained in the knowledge of good. I'm trained on natural law. But if, if my health doesn't come from God, all I see is this bottle that's made of like PVCs and chemicals. And hydrocarbons, which we not just leeching into the water, sitting out in the sun. It's a hot coke. It'll be leaching into coke, whatever. That's high fructose GMO coke. And now I know what that's doing to me. Before I did, you know, and I got the content, actually had a law. The law was working for me until it works against me. Yeah. And yeah, I ate a restaurant and I'm thinking, this is vegetable fats. Like, this is vegetable oils, this is sunflower seeds. Like, I'm like, and now I'm not enjoying the food.
And.
And so it's getting in the way of me obeying the voice of God. If God says to me, go to this country, I'll go, God. There's plastic in their foods, There is certain chemicals in their, how they spray the cops, the crops. I have a genetic disposition to those chemicals, you know. And now the law that was protecting me is now working against me. Yeah, you can see in, let's say, using tithing as a law to get, as a knowledge of good and evil, because any knowledge of any law is knowledge of good and evil to get the blessing from God. This is something all Christians will understand. If this Christian is listening.
You might be taught that if you tied, God will protect you from the, from the thief, from the enemy. Yeah. And so that's the law you're using. That's a law inside creation. It's a secular realm law. It's an invisible law. So there's higher laws. Okay, so it's an invisible law. It's a levitical law. It sits in the second realm. It still sits there or sit there forever. And you can engage that law if you want to, but that's your source as opposed to the nature of God. Now, by your own strength, by your knowledge of good and evil, you are doing something. So you pay 10%. You pay 10%. Pay 10%. One day you get home and your kid's sick and like, you go, hey, that can't be right. No thief will come into my house, no plague will come near me. I'm doing the right thing. And you can say sickness, get out. You know I'm right with God because that law is your righteousness, is your right standing. But then one day, you know, there's kids fees of Jews, and then someone needs their teeth done and you got a cast service and you're cash strapped. And that week you don't tithe well by the law that you decide to engage because it's a True law.
Drive home safe, bro. Drive home safe from church. It's a dangerous world. Not protected anymore. You get home and your kid's sick, what do you say? You go there it is. You accept it.
The law is working for you. Also works against you. All my natural understandings and I had to go deep. I was trying to keep myself alive when my western doctors were damaging me.
I had to go do my own study. I learned so much. And so the law that works for me can also work against me. You know, I'm condemned while I'm eating and I'll be in this country for three weeks and I'm condemned over every meal. You know, rather than being in the spirit and blessing that food and being loving and governing down.
So that is what we're walking through now as a mature Christian body that we're in the graph be sons going to be spirit, soul and body.
So some people have gone full body, some people gone full soul, some people gone full spirit. You're like full spirit. You know, I will never see see a doctor. I don't believe it's only the promise. And I understand that. But we're supposed to be bringing all that down into the earth. Yeah. So. So you would say very clearly that God has led you, but the Spirit has led you. Your four pillars, wow. But the Spirit's led you. That's where life is, you know, and that's, that's of the Spirit. And what the, the. What we have to be very careful of is always goes back to that promise. This is God's nature.
He's the healer. And then following his word and being led by the Spirit is where life is at. Because life is spirit, life is in the Spirit, and the law will bring death.
So we have all these health protocols. We have him, which is great.
But if it comes a source for us, as opposed to the fact that God's God's nature to heal is God nature to give me life. And he loves me as I am, not as I should be, because I will never be as I should be.
And he loves me right now. And I've received Christ. The very person of Christ is my right stand with God. I didn't get saved. I received Jesus. He's my salvation. I didn't become righteous. I didn't get Adam's righteousness is back to the loss. I got Jesus and he's my righteousness that's permanently righteous. You're at peak righteousness. You have peak right. Standing before God as bold as Jesus can go before the Father. That's how bold. You can go to the Father because it's his standing. You go in. So that's the peace that you're at. You've been holy, you'll be made holy and blameless in his sight forever as we want it. So that's the rest, the security of his nature. You have access to him.
Then anything he tells you is wisdom. And it's a blessing that comes from that, that believing that word, that Jesus has done it for you is the tree of life.
But you don't know he's done it for you.
You've done, you've got it already. You have to reach for something which is a knowledge of good and evil. And now that works for you and against you at the same time, because as you comply to it works for you. But as soon as you break it, you go into condemnation. So you're working, you can go into pride. Was working for you. If it's not working for you, go the condemnations, the lose, lose tree. So based in the fact that you're now connected to God, whose life was the source of life. He is his capital L life, his resurrection. Like that's a good thing to be connected to resurrection himself, you know, and you're a spirit being and you're one with God in heaven. You're already raised to see in heaven and in heaven, you want to bring that wisdom of life down and that's your joy. But the mechanisms that we learn, we're not careful. We don't lose that first joy of believing the word. That's what Paul says in Galatians. You just need to believe that first gospel you you receive. Why are you changing to behavior to maintain the goodness?
Just stay believing the first word. As soon as you change the behavior to maintain the goodness, you've made another religion. He's saying, believe the first word and then all behavior comes from there. So believing God's good for you. From there. I will do my exercises. I'm doing neck exercises at the moment to reset my curve, you know. And can God heal me? The Word, yes. And I believe that. And also I'm also just moving towards health in any way and any mechanism you have. You learn about a diet, you learn about wave machine, you learn about a certain organic compound. You know, they're all benefits, they're all good to look at and useful, but not necessary. Okay, and great. I want as many of them as I can. Fantastic. But if they become your source, then now you create a God or another source. You've created knowledge of good and evil. If you don't have them, you go into condemnation. And you can't be a blessing to other people because I can't go to India and meet somebody who's sick and I go know what's going on here. Okay, what you need is a rife machine. And then you need to get a DMX 3D EMF scan and move your neck at the same time so we can check all these things. And then I had that done the other day. It's amazing. And then, you know, and then you need the, you need organic rose oil, which is US$50 a bottle only get it from the supplier, you know, now it's become a trap.
I need to stay in word. And the word is good news. The Father wants you well, and with a word I can speak that. Yeah, from there, hey, let's just bring more and more good protocol into our life. As long as the word is the source. And if the word is the source, based on God's character alone, you're in the tree of life. And that comes from outside entropy, outside decay, outside conservation of energy.
Unlimited. Yeah. And we're bringing that down. And so, and then good psychology is a good psychology. Psychology of itself never fixes anyone. You see the psychologist for a long, long time. But connected to love, that unlimited resource coming in.
Psychology is excellent.
Biology of itself is like you're always fighting entropy and find decay and need more and more resources. But connected to a healthy soul, connected to unlimited resource of resurrection himself.
Well, absolutely. You know, life can come down.
Spirit, soul, body. And so spirit is perfect. In our soul we have a record that doesn't agree with the spirit. So when you get saved, the person of Christ moves in. You have the mind of Christ. Every spiritual blessing is yours in heavenly places. Okay, you already have it. And like this is like God wants you. Well, and to give that a frequency, because we're frequency people. Let's say it sounds like this.
Sorry everyone, that's as good as I can get. So this is, this is the love of God who wants you? Well, because that's his nature. He's just a giving God.
But in your body, you were taught God doesn't do miracles today, man.
Okay, so it's not coming through. Then you listen and faith comes by hearing and you hear testimony, a testimony, testimony, something your soul goes, hang on. God does want me. Well, oh, so now it's the same frequency and through it comes. Yeah, as with anything, that's how everything's there has been given to you. It's been transformed. Union of your mind so you can come to your body.
And that's what he wants. We want to learn who we are in the spirit.
And as our soul lines up what's already true, be transformed in your mind. It's going to hit the body, you know, spirit, soul, body. Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, Holy of holies. In the court, out of court, everyone look at it. It's going to come down from there. Let's learn all about this. Let's learn all about this. I have great protocols and not everyone is here. I'm here in one area but not another area. So I want you to tell me, give me some exercises that I can do to reduce my inflammation markers so I can pet a cat. You know, I'm all moving towards health.
That's not my source.
My source is God invented these rules. He's bringing wisdom. He wants to be well. I was based on a word and from that word I'm laying more and more protocols. Yeah, so that's a, that's probably the summary to land, land it over to you.
[00:47:28] Speaker A: Oh that, that was awesome, Chris. I mean so, so much to think about there.
I mean it really is flipping this thing from just the constant bringing us down to that body, natural, Newtonian, constant, constant. And that's the hard part. We've been trained up in the Western world in particular.
It's all about data, information, evidence based medicine, published peer reviewed studies and it's all about the natural, natural, all the physical. And we have symptoms and our bank account and this, the news and social media like everything is to is trying to keep us down not only in the natural, but looking through a lens of I'm not worthy and I've got to earn it and all the things, what was it in your life or through your experience in your journey, maybe seeing other people's lives?
What was it that got you to start to flip and to see or what do you recommend for people that maybe are so stuck down here and they haven't really heard this kind of talk? Obviously I would say talk to God about and ask the Holy Spirit to start showing you where you need to see more clearly. But was there something that kind of helped you or you see, helps people to start to have aha moments is what I call them. Or revelation.
[00:48:48] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a great question. Yeah. So first of all there's no condemnation.
Wherever you're at, whatever you're doing, if you, if you're trying to move towards life, then you're calling God good.
And that Means, you know, you're addressing the trauma of your childhood and you're also going full carnival then. Good. Yeah. But just know it's a, it's a placeholder as, as some other things get sorted out. Because God wants you a new creation fully. Well, and that's what he wants for you. He wants life coming through your mortal body from spirit, soul to body.
So for me, I w up very heavily that I'm all alone and no one's coming to help me. If no one's coming to help me, you're in that permanent vigilant state. And that permanent vigilant state is very hard to even hear from God. Because God's spirit and your hardwired beta wave to stay in the natural realm. Look at atoms because that's where the danger is.
Or in the soul realm. And like the more meditational states like delta wave, you can't go there. And literally if I start to try meditating God or I went on the Christian retreats to, you know, connect with God.
If I'm meditating and breathing deep into my polyvagal theory, diaphragm and, and everything I'm. I'm doing all the things my brain would remember, some perceived threat or offense from childhood or yesterday and I'll be, oh, what? And then adrenaline would come back and back and fight or flight.
My body would reward me like serotonin. Well done, Chris. You're safe again.
So every time I try to connect with God, which is to leave the natural realm and be more perceived orientated and sensitive. Orientated. Supposed to sensual. Sensual is in the senses to sensitive to the spirit. My body would get me out of that as quick as possible because that's dangerous. You need to have eyes open to stay in this realm.
So that's what happens to us. A baby. But what is the baby is not just lining up. By the time you're five, it's pretty much set. You have to now address it because your brain like doubles in size doubles and size double in size. And so it wires up either rest and digest or fight or flight. Fawn, which is the worst one? That's what we're doing to our kids now, Fawn. We're teaching them to cry and then self soothe. They don't self soothe. They're going to absolute vestibular collapse.
That's what they're doing. And that's why we've got so much ADHD and all these things. Because we taught our kids to go into complete collapse. And you're supposed to be with A mother with a another being the first two years of your life or three years even. But we're farming them out so there's no, there's no constant gains.
So you wire up to a wired up that way. Now that's the physical. But as we know, we're more than physical. And what you wire up as is that I am not worthy of this. But it's pre verbal. You don't have those words. You just know that inherently, wherever you are, it doesn't have the worth of being looked after. Someone coming to you to be protected, resources coming to you to be soothed in this dangerous world.
And so you wire up in shame.
So shame there's something faulty about me became my underlying state. Now some people believe that their dad doesn't like them, so they have a relationship with their dad. Well, I grew up believing God existed. And I thought God doesn't like me, which means everything doesn't like you. The stars don't like you. You have no future, you have no present. Like the whole world's up against you.
And. But you know, let's say that because you're a Christian, but also happened pre verbals, you don't really have the word for it, but you are set up that way. So you have just all the immune inflammation markers, but wiring, social cues, the whole lot. Body and soul is affected by this.
And so I was dying and then in 2009, I was so bad, early 2010, that's not weighed very little. And all I was doing was listening to healing preachers because my only job was to be alive tomorrow, just listening, listening, listening to healing preachers. And I was convinced by them accurately that Christ had healed me is God's will to heal. And forgiveness and healing is the same thing because sin and death is the same thing. What's easier to say, your sins are forgiven or get up and walk? It's the same thing.
And I absolutely knew it. I could defend it, but I believed it. I still wasn't healed. And the whole thing is if you believe, then it manifests. Yeah, that isn't that the deal here? Is that how faith works? Believe in your heart, confess your mouth and it wasn't happening. And so once again it doubles down. There's something wrong with me. It worked for the person on the tape, worked for person that testimony. I'm listening to this very same recordings you're listening to.
I believe it. I can't believe it anymore. I see it clear in scripture, all through scripture, and it's not here yet.
And and so there is something wrong with me, there's something faulty about me. Is going to die and find out what I did wrong or what's so wrong about me. And then I, I heard this one preacher, his name is Curry, is in the food, Curry Blake. And someone asked him what happens if it doesn't work? And he said, I would die believing I was healed because Christ was whipped. And if he's whipped by stripes, I'm healed. Was whipped historically. So I know that happened. So I know I'm healed if I died. I couldn't explain it, but he did do it.
And he explained it like in very matter of fact faith way. But for me it became relational because I thought, I felt, I felt stupid before God, I felt unworthy before Him. I just couldn't get it right. I couldn't get faith right, couldn't get Christianity right. Been a pastor twice, burnt out twice. Like I just can't get it right. I realized Christ did that for me. Like he's back ripped open for me.
He did it. And I believe historically that Jesus was whipped. So by his traps, he's healed.
I believe it. I believe he did that. I started to realize I do believe and not. But more important, do I not just believe. I believe that he did that for me. Like, my friend, Jesus got his back ripped open.
I can't explain why I'm sick.
I can't explain why I'm emotional wreck.
But he did do it. And that became everything to me. The fact he did it, that's who he is. That's who God is. He did it for me and it took away the shame because I was worthy, because he did do it, my friend did it. And then I wasn't defending that position. Theologically, it's relationally. When someone said, wow, did God make you sick? Was he teaching you? That's why he's still sick. I'm like, no, no, he didn't, he didn't. He didn't give me what he died to take away from me. He healed me. I can't explain why I'm like gaunt and, and eating cold pressed organic juice every day. I can't explain that.
But that's what's true. He did do that for me. Not word of faith, but relational. And I broke the shame because I knew he did it for me and I knew he would do it for me alone, which is a revelation.
And I think breaking that shame and just enjoying the fact that's who he is, no matter what I see manifested or not, is, is what Broke it for me.
And just to let you guys know, I had my miraculous healing. I was sick. I could hardly leave the house. And bang, I was up. I was running like forest gump, like that instant. But in that time, I was still doing all my medical practices or doing all my organic practices, doing all my naturopathic practices, having all my supplements.
And those things didn't block God from healing me. It wasn't like I had to throw him in the bin, you know, to get healed. Like I was moving towards health. I was calling him good on his word because he, He Jesus, his back ripped open for me. He did it. If I die, I die believing he did that. And that's who he is. I'm just resting. I don't know why this is. That's who he is. And in that space, healing did manifest. But God didn't wait for me to stop seeing the doctors or stop paying insurance or stop taking supplements or. Or the expensive things I was doing, like they're all unto health, but the source is his nature. He did have his nature through a promise. And then life flowed through that.
And those other things kept me on the planet until that moment. So I'm super grateful.
[00:57:23] Speaker A: Yeah, man, that's so cool. And it's so simple. It's relationship and that's.
[00:57:30] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:57:33] Speaker A: Yes.
So back to the garden. A loving creator, loving father comes every day into the garden looking for his kids because he wants to be with them.
He wants to be in relationship.
And then religion comes in and intellect comes in and tree of knowledge comes in. And even if we read this stuff in the Bible, we believe it in our intellectual and we're do, do doing. I mean, just this tiny little perversion. But it's a huge. Because it flips everything.
Totally flips.
[00:58:03] Speaker B: It flips everything. The same action.
Exact same action. Rebellion and religion and regenerate and grateful sonship is the same action.
[00:58:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:14] Speaker B: If you don't know you've got his approval. If you don't know you've got it, you will do something to get it. So you've done. You've got God's approval. You'll go to church to get all, maintain his approval. That's what Paul's against. Don't do it to maintain approval. In Galatians it says you've got it because you believed the Word. You can't maintain it through action. You got. Because you believe the Word based on his character alone.
[00:58:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
And Paul got pretty aggressive there in Galatians with this. Any other gospel that you hear any Other way. Any other version of this besides that. This truth is.
I mean, I don't. I forget the wording he used, but basically it's awful.
Run away.
[00:58:55] Speaker B: Accursed to believe anything else. People be bewitched.
Yeah. To be bewitched is to think this. To have Satan as your father, basically. Why are you thinking the same way Satan thought?
Why are you thinking the way he lied to Adam and Eve? That you need to do something to attain the promise. You're turning a gift into wages. But the promise is based on someone else's character. An inheritance is based on someone else's work alone, not your work. And you must keep it as a gift. You must keep it as an inheritance. Day one, day 3,000.
It's still the same as day one. He did it. I'm receiving the work of somebody else as a gift. Otherwise you turn into a wage, which is no gospel at all.
[00:59:36] Speaker A: Yep. So we've got to see God clearly. How, who he is, his character and nature.
What Jesus did to restore us back and then just receive that thing and understand our perspective should be from this third realm, seated with him in heavenly places. So we see and the eyes of our heart see from that perspective and more so. And you said it, we're to bring this in. The angels aren't bringing it. God's not bringing it. Jesus ain't bringing it. If you're waiting for rapture, you're waiting for a revival or miracle and all this stuff. No, the sons are supposed to mature up to get to this understanding, bring it into the earth to help others mature up. And is this maturation in the body, then all these unique members of the body, all of us with one head, one spirit, will put on display the manifold wisdom of God to those spiritual forces and principalities in the heavenly realms. This is us.
And it's like, guys, you want the end of the world to come? Because all this chaos and corruption and evil, it's not a politician that's going to do it. Not a preacher is going to do it. Not anybody's going to do it. The sons of God are going to mature up and boom, done. The. The bride and the bridegroom. Not, not unequally yoked. We're. There's this level of maturation that's got to happen. And what Chris had just gone through this past hour, I'm gonna go listen to it again myself, multiple times, I'm sure.
It is so key and so foundational.
And like Chris said, don't be condemned it wherever you're at along your journey. And if you're not seeing clearly or you don't understand or like Chris, I know the word says I'm healed.
There's no condemnation. Keep seeking the kingdom first. Ask God to show you where you're not seeing clearly from his point of view. And he will. He's eager to reveal himself. He's eager for you to understand this truth and other truths too. So God loves you guys.
He wants you to know who you are, know who he is, and then together the world's going to see and the world will be drawn. Chris, I'll. I'll give you the last word, including how people can follow you, support you. Let's get more of what, what you're saying, but feel free to wrap it up however you'd like.
[01:01:56] Speaker B: Like, thank you. Honor to talk to you in this community.
We're all in process and journey. It's going to be a very exciting few years up ahead.
A lot of things are going one way and we need to go the other way. And my name, I have a ministry ministry called as He Is Ministries. We give away everything for free on YouTube. All our messages are there. And in reaction, reaction in response to this message, please look up Chris Blackaby still faced God. Still S T I L l faced still face God. And I think it'll be really helpful. It's just, I think it's 20 minutes long and just YouTube that Chris Blackby still face God and just watch that. And yeah, hey, we're giving away everything away for free.
Make materials for free. I'm recording in a Marvel studio literally next week.
High quality production. We're going to give that away for free.
So any support you give us goes into the gospel 100%. We just, we get resources out there and that's our delight. So yeah. But thank you everyone. And moreover, I just say rest in God's character alone.
He will do it. Salvation was his idea. He's the author and finisher of your faith. He chose you.
He has predestined you before the foundation of the world. Be holy and blameless in his sight. He's done it. That's who you are. One with Christ and that's your joy. And may everything flow from there as a fruit. Yeah.
[01:03:34] Speaker A: Amen.
As He Is Ministries. Guys, look that up the website and on YouTube, right, Chris, both as he is is the YouTube channel also.
[01:03:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And we're in all the socials. We've got two tick tocks, we've got two Instagrams, we've got two Facebooks just.
Yeah, just, you know, as I say, subscribe and like and like and share whatever they say. That all helps us too, but. And everything's free. Just share it if it helps you.
Moreover, if you see something we've got that helps you just send it on and you like. If you look at our youtubes and just look at the comments underneath, it's radically changed people's lives. And what's radically changed them? The gospel. All I do is preach the gospel to Christians and tell them what they already have and. And it's radically life changing.
Yeah.
[01:04:25] Speaker A: Amen. Well, guys, we'll put all those links in the show notes for sure, but definitely share this with your loved ones, your. Your co workers, your. Your friends, because there's much love that's needed in the world today. And this is the way to bring true love in is through the sun. So. All right, Chris, thanks a lot. Thank you everybody for joining us today. And we'll have another great show next week, but until then, we'll see you next time. Bye. Bye.
