Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of youf're the cure. I'm Dr. Ben Edwards. Have two amazing guests, two Veritas Wellness Navigators, Heather and Nicole joining today.
I thought it would be a great time to bring on a couple of the navigators just so you could hear from them, especially as we roll out the youe're the Cure program that launched last week. And y' all can learn more about that at the website veritas wellnessmember.com.
[00:00:28] Speaker B: So.
[00:00:28] Speaker A: It'S been in my heart for a long time to teach.
And you'll hear from Nicole. She's a teacher, too.
But when you, you have an aha moment in your life, you have a when you're becoming transformed, your mind's getting renewed, and you see more clearly and that more clear vision leads to freedom.
You want to share it with people.
And so when it comes to health, as y' all know, you've been listening to me talk on this podcast.
I'm all about the foundational four pillars and just get these basics down first.
And, you know, medical school just taught us to treat a symptom pharmaceutically, and naturopathic medical school teaches you to treat a symptom nutraceutically. Nothing wrong with either one of those. It's totally fine, but it doesn't set you free. It doesn't lead to total healing. It leads to symptom relief sometimes. And sometimes it doesn't lead to symptom relief or temporary symptom relief. So with the belief that God designed us perfectly and we should function all the days of our life, then when we're not functioning in the physical realm and there's a symptom, there's something out of order because the design is we should be. Well, that's the intent.
So, anyways, y' all get to hear from me all the time about what I think about this and some testimonies from patients that we've had on the podcast. And we have a great testimony page on the website. You can go check those out. But I want y' all to hear from the Wellness Navigators, some of them, Heather, Nicole, specifically today on not only their personal journey into Veritas and kind of Nicole, I think we're seven, eight years down the road, aren't we, Nicole now? Yeah. So Nicole has seen a lot over the years. And, you know, like I always say, we don't obviously know it all, but we're learning more and more. God continues to reveal more and more depths of truth, and it's awesome. And we see More and more people set free.
So hopefully y' all will enjoy this show as much as I think you will, because these two ladies have helped a lot of people.
I've said all the time, it's not about Dr. Ben or any doctor. Doctors can only treat symptoms. And I. I tell doctors that call me all the time, they want to know how do. How do I learn all this functional medicine stuff? And I said, well, you'll learn it over time, but you kind of don't need to learn it.
Just keep treating your symptoms the way you've been trained to treat them. Your main job is get them to a wellness navigator.
Endorse the wellness navigator. Endorse the truth. It's the navigator that can walk with these folks, hold their hand and walk with them, develop a relationship with people, and point them to the truth. Diet, lifestyle, and mindset changes is what leads to the body working. Right. So I'll be quiet. Nicole, Heather, welcome to the show. So glad y' all could be with me today.
[00:03:17] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:03:18] Speaker B: Thank you. Yeah.
[00:03:19] Speaker C: Glad to be here.
[00:03:21] Speaker A: Awesome. Well, I'm gonna start with Nicole since she's the veteran. Heather's been with us. Heather's a year now or under a year?
[00:03:28] Speaker B: 2. 2.
[00:03:29] Speaker C: A lot of years.
[00:03:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:03:32] Speaker A: It's been, well, as a client or patient for a little while, but. And then now working for us, employed.
[00:03:39] Speaker C: For more than one year, too.
[00:03:41] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:03:44] Speaker B: I would say about four or so. Yeah.
[00:03:46] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:03:47] Speaker A: That's amazing. Well, we definitely want to hear your story, Heather, of how you found veritas, because Heather lives in Delaware with her and her sweet family and her husband.
So that's a long ways away, so there's a story there. But we'll start with Nicole. Nicole and I go way, way back, and Nicole's been on the show before. I think she's probably told some of this story, but when I first showed up in garza county, which is my first job out of medical school, out of residency, Jamie and I moved to post Texas.
And the house we were going to move into, that deal fell through at the last minute, and we had a u haul full of furniture and a little baby, and we were. Didn't know what to do. But Nicole's mom was the office manager at the garza county health clinic. And so we called her and some of the other folks on the health healthcare board, and they helped us out, and we actually moved our furniture into the old hospital just to store it for a little bit until we could find a house.
And kind of a funny side note, Nicole's husband, Jason, who also works here, he's our COO here at Veritas. But the county clinic had planned a parade to kind of announce the new doctor in town. Well, I had already obligated myself to a family vacation. I didn't realize there was this parade, but Jason subbed in. He basically impersonated me on that float. He wore scrubs and a mask and pretended to be Dr. Ben because we were similar enough looking in our appearance. But. So that was from day one. Nicole and Jason Powell entered our lives.
So we've been friends for a long time. And then after seven years at Garza County Clinic, when I started to learn a new way to do medicine, you know, we. We left. We left Garza county, moved to a different town. Nicole and Jason, they're in the teaching field, teacher and principal. And they ended up moving, and we kind of. Our paths went apart for a little while, and then they came back together.
So, Nicole, I'll let you maybe just jump in and kind of take the story from there, how we reconnected, because it was a health journey that you. You and your family were on that reconnected us.
[00:05:46] Speaker C: Yeah.
So. So my youngest daughter. So when Ben and Jamie left, we thought, oh, I mean, I guess that's a way to live, but. But just seems extreme, so we can still be friends, but you're a little crazy.
And so it wasn't until Emory, my youngest, was having recurring ear infections that we reconnected. So she was on antibiotics. And I would say most people have a story like that. They come into functional medicine because there's just a moment of. There's nothing else there. This the way I've been doing things can be done any longer.
So she was on. She had her second set of tubes. She was needing a third one. But I couldn't justify, you know, her maybe having hearing loss. So we actually went to a chiropractor, which I honestly love to tell the story, because I went in with, like, zero faith in this chiropractor. I'm like, it can't hurt, but it's probably not going to help.
And it did help. It cleared her ears. He told us, if she gets infected again, give her colloidal silver. So I'm thinking, like, I'm used to listening to exactly what the doctor says. So I'm like, okay, I've got a new set of instructions, and I can follow these perfectly until Mom. I got home. And my mom was like, you're going to turn her blue. You can't give her silver.
So then I'm like, at this crossroads again. Like, what do I do?
[00:07:15] Speaker B: And.
[00:07:15] Speaker C: And I just thought, I'm going to call Ben because he'll know. He'll tell me what to do. So we went into the office, had the same conversation we'd had probably 50 times of him explaining why he was going to do functional medicine. But that day, it clicked. Like, it hit. It was a divine appointment, and there was a place for it to land. There was soft soil.
And I do tend to be the personality that when I find out something is true, I want to know everything about it. I don't want to go back there again.
So I tried to learn everything about what you should eat, what you should and shouldn't drink, and how you should move. And I thought I had the peace pillar down pretty well.
Come to find out, I didn't really, because I was doing all the first three pillars perfectly. And then I kind of found myself in a less than healthy situation. So really, when I pressed into that, like, learning the truth and allowing the truth to set me free, you know. You know, I love Chris's story when you interviewed him a few weeks ago, because I felt like that was me. Like, he looks at the avocado in the.
In the podcast, and he's like, we're telling this organic avocado, give me life.
And that's what I was doing. I was telling everything from those first three pillars. Can you please give me life? Can you please give me health?
And, yeah, I would say I was a believer in Jesus, but I wasn't really relying on him for all of these things. It was mostly like, he'll get me to heaven one day.
So when I began to, like, push into these deeper things, I truly began to be free. And it was so encouraging. I was beginning to share it and then came to work at Veritas.
And even for a while when I worked at Veritas, I would say I was still kind of stuck on the first three pillars, and I would help people, you know, learn how to cook, learn how to clean out their pantry. But my life has just.
It's never been the same since I allowed him to change the way. I think.
And I think that every single success story at Veritas has that common denominator. You can change the way you eat, you can change the way you drink, you can change the way you exercise, but if you don't change the way you think, nothing changes. So that's just my story in a nutshell. And I met Heather through them coming to the clinic as patients and our first conversations. Man, she reminded me so much of myself because she just wanted me to tell her exactly what my kids eat and they go to bed. I mean, everything about how I got my kids healthy was what she wanted to know. But in each conversation I just threw some food for thought. And she's a lover of the, of the truth, so she definitely took it and just that seed sprouted.
[00:10:10] Speaker A: I was just want to remind the listeners before because I know where you're going, Heather, I think, but this is a journey.
It's a journey in our heart, in this. I know I can speak for Nicole and Heather because we've talked about this. We meet people where they're at out of compassion and love and we try to be led by the Holy Spirit, the spirit of truth in that individual's life to give some wisdom on what wherever they're at.
You know where I try to define this thing as symptom management versus stewardship versus made whole. And that's a journey. And you just don't leapfrog to made whole. This renewing of the mind, changing your thinking that Nicole's talking about, that's a process and it's not a step. One, two, three. Hey, Nicole, tell me the top five things you had to change your mind on. I mean, she could tell you, I could tell you, and Heather could tell you some things.
But that was our journey. That was our, some strongholds in our thinking. And they may be similar, but it's these aha moments. You know, Nicole said it, she'd heard the same thing 50 times. But that day, that day it landed different. So I just want to encourage the listeners. It is a journey and I do think you can kind of leapfrog if you're truly asking God to show, to reveal himself, seek the kingdom first and truly want to know a deeper thing. He will bring it and he will show you. So you know, this has been a multi year journey for me and I know, but it's for Nicole too. And I would say Heather's leapfrogging real fast. But Heather, I just wanted to throw that in for the listener to know that because we are going to talk about some deeper things. There's no way around it. We are body, soul and spirit. That's part of the problem with medicine, conventional medicine, they divide the body. Even if you have a stomachache, see the gastroenterologist, you have a headache, go the neurologist, you have a joint, go the orthopedic, we divide the body, the physical Body. Don't even talk about spirit and soul. Religion tends to divide the spiritual body up. I mean, these are. We're all connected. You can't not talk about the invisible realm, the supernatural realm, the spiritual realm. So this conversation will have that for sure. But it can be difficult, especially for a new listener who's suffering.
And so, Heather, I know there was some suffering going on in the physical realm with some in your family, but why don't you just kind of tell that story in your journey personally and just how you kind of connected to Veritas?
[00:12:38] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:12:39] Speaker B: So I remember that first conversation with Nicole. I had my notepad and my pencil, and I wanted to know exactly what I. What she shared. I wanted to know. And I have a health background, so I even went to school for integrative nutrition. So I. Even. So I have. I was on the pharmaceutical side and then moved to the holistic side throughout the years of my journey. But when I met with her, I was like, okay, maybe she has something to tell me that no doctor and I've cons. I. At this point, I consulted with dozens and dozens of different practitioners, even all around the world, and still I would have my hopes up with this answer that I was going to receive. And then when that thing didn't work because I could follow a protocol so someone would tell me to do something, I could follow it to a T. And when it didn't work or when things got worse, I crashed.
So I knew something was wrong. Where was my hope in. Right. So when I. With that first conversation with Nicole and when I was talking to her, and I was like, okay, yeah, I want to know what you feed your kids. And again, I have this background, so I knew so many things, but I still came with this hope or expectation that she was going to share something with me that nobody has ever shared with me, and it was going to unlock what I needed.
And so when she was telling me all these things and I was writing down, I was like, okay, I've tried that. I've done that.
So it was like, kind of like, oh, my goodness, she's not telling me anything that I. You know. So it was very foundational things and all things that God gives us and provides to nourish our bodies and all the things. But.
But then she shifted the conversation, and she started just gently asking me questions.
And those questions made me sit back, and I stopped taking notes.
And it was things that I've never been asked before and things that I've never considered, and I've been A believer since I was 4 years old. I remember saying yes to Jesus. So I know, like, looking back on my life, I love the Lord and serve the Lord and just, you know, as much as I knew how to at the time.
And.
But she asked me some questions and revealed, shared some truth, which veritas means truth. Shared truth with me that I've never been told before.
And in that, I perked up and I was like, okay, there's something different. And then I was like, tell me all of it. I want to know everything.
And that's where my focus shifted from the natural to the three pillars, because I was like, I've been doing all those things, and it shifted to the peace pillar.
So that's where we spent a majority of all of our talks after that.
So.
[00:15:41] Speaker A: Tell us a little more detail, if you don't mind, because if. If I'm recalling, right, I mean, you dove in pretty hardcore and called Nicole back and met with her routinely, like monthly or every other week.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: I think it started maybe bi weekly. But then when she said that I could talk to her more, I was like, okay, let's talk every week.
So, yes, I was like a sponge. And just right when you hear the truth and it starts to set you free, I just wanted more and more and more of it, and it just radically changed my life. And I'm a completely new creation. I'm a different person than I was. But going back to how I found Veritas to begin with was I was on my quest. I was meeting with all these different doctors, listening to podcast, listening to lectures and teachings, and Dr. Roby Mitchell, which you know very well, both you guys.
I was emailing with him back and forth and about hydrochloric acid and all the things, and I heard a lecture about the MTHFR and allergies and all these things. I was like, that's it, right? So that was my relationship with him. And then he had posted something on Facebook, and it was about this doctor, Dr. Ben, and he spoke of you, of having such integrity and just a doctor that would lead you to the truth.
And so I read this post that he posted, and because I.
I trusted a lot of things he was saying, and it just made sense.
I read that, and I was like, okay. At this point of my journey, I was for years doing things all on my own.
I had to find the solution. I had to fix my son's health issues. I had to fix my own health issues.
And when I read that, for some reason, I was like, okay. And you Guys were in Texas, and I'm in Delaware, and I was like, we're flying out to Texas. And I was ready at that point to give you Roman, if that makes any sense. Like, I was trying and striving so hard and thinking I was doing all the right things, all the three pillars, really, really well, and it just wasn't working. So we decided. And my husband is so kind and gracious the whole journey. We spent thousands and thousands of dollars meeting with all the different people. And he just said, okay, whatever we got to do. And he just. We went on to the next. So when I said Texas, that was the first time we, you know, he jumped on a plane and took Roman to see you guys.
But that was a big step. But that was a point where I was ready to let go.
I was ready to let go of everything that I thought that I knew and just say, okay, I'm going to listen to a doctor. And when Robi posted about you, it was a doctor of integrity and that he was led by the Holy Spirit.
And I worked with a lot of doctors, and that was a big thing missing. So we would have all these conversations, but that was never part of it.
So that is why we made the decision to go there. And then Roman and Andrew, when they were there, they saw Cassidy and met with her.
But then I met with my navigator, and that was Nicole. So back to your question. That was a long way to get there, but I would meet with her weekly. So I didn't even know what, you know, having a navigator. I know my son was the patient, but then even just working with Nicole, something just that first time clicked, and I was like, I need. I need to understand this. And it was really. I knew a lot about God, and I did have such. I had a good relationship with God and a closeness with God, but I knew a lot about him. But the big thing that I was challenged with was the fruits of the spirit. Like certain things that I would read in scripture.
Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness. I'm like, joy, peace, like all of these things. And I'm like, I should have those things, and I do.
But I. They weren't a reality in my life, so I knew something was missing. And when I would hear you speak, Dr. Ben, and when I would hear Nicole speak, something resonated deeper.
And I was like, that's what I want. I want to know God like that. I want to know all about him. So that was the journey that I took.
[00:20:14] Speaker A: Could that. Thank you. That was a great, great story.
And again, we're all on our journey, guys. We don't have it all figured out. But Heather, what would you say or maybe even as you've met with clients because you're a navigator now and you meet you're a Nicole to different people and maybe we can hear some of those stories too. But what. What were some of the aha moments for you that maybe you've also found with clients that are just so helpful when that light bulb goes off? I mean, you don't. If you feel like sharing a little more personal on your. Some of those beliefs that maybe like, whoa, what are some of those key foundational beliefs that looking back, like I'm going to interview another gentleman later today about sonship orphan versus a son.
That was a huge light bulb moment in my journey and that whole podcast. We'll talk about that.
But were there certain pieces that you can look back and say a belief that was an aha moment?
[00:21:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I didn't realize that I was believing lies.
I didn't even know really the a big lie that I believed was there was something wrong with me that was a big one or the other big one was it was all my fault.
So once I realized and Nicole helped me realize these things and, and just asking the Holy Spirit, asking God was that. And, and one of you guys may have explained it this way or a teacher, but it's like your heart being that garden, right. And that there are seeds planted. This visual has stuck with me and it helps me and even to explain it to other people. But when those seeds are planted and if they're lies, they grow roots, right? And what do they produce? They produce fruit. So fear was a big thing in my life that absolutely tormented me.
And I operated from that place because there was a lie in my heart, beliefs about God and about who I was.
So I didn't even know part of my journey was I didn't even know that that was even there. Right. So I was operating in this life, right. This cycle.
And so throughout the journey with Nicole was just questions that she asked me.
And it start. God started to reveal those lies that were there and that I was operating. And what I needed to do, which Nicole helped me, was to rip up those right. And get rid of them and plant the seeds of truth, which is the word, and allow them to grow deep roots.
And then what comes from that are the fruits of the Spirit. So love, joy, peace, patience, all of those things. And then. Then it's effortless versus even having to try. But. But I don't know if I answered your question, but for me it's that I was living not in my true identity. I didn't know who I. Who I was.
And so Nicole helped me through sharing the word with me. And it came alive.
And in that it revealed who he was and. And truly who I am to him and in this world. And once that got burst inside of me, I truly became. And not I. I believe I was saved as a little girl. But like I am a new creation. Like, everything started to really change for me.
Even when reading the Word changed. Like things that I've read, stories that I've read my whole life, and I would read them with fresh eyes. Like it's like I could see.
And so.
But those were big lies.
And that I had to do that. I was all on my own and I had to figure it out.
So my son, when he was born, and it took us years to get pregnant. So close to six years to get pregnant. So when we got pregnant, I was really excited. And once he was born, it was incredible.
And then he was here.
But then nobody could explain it. But he just wouldn't stop crying all the time. Like, nobody could really tell me what was wrong.
And he would react to bathwater. He would react to any environment.
Someone would want to hold him and whoever would want to hold him.
And what that did was there was that. That root of fear in me, these. These lies, right?
So it produced fear in my life that any way I turned, something was. He was reacting. His immune system was reacting to everything.
So what I thought that I needed to do was isolate. I won't go anywhere. I won't do, you know, so there were things in my life that happened, but throughout, there's a lot of different things. He has a genetic mutation. You read about that.
It's like, you know, he's high risk for cancer, high risk for cardiovascular, high risk. You know, like as a mom in the nap, just reading things and knowing things from that point of view, it can cripple you. So you just don't know what to do. But I was determined to figure it out.
And so that's what. That's the journey I took with him.
And I had my own issues and I kind of left them. Like, I didn't even think about mine anymore because I was so hyper focused on him and getting him well.
And, and, and if he didn't get well, the pressure that I. That I carried was, it's all your fault if you don't figure this out.
And, and that might sound. I Don't know how that resonates, but for a mom like I, it was crippling to me. Where it affected. We talk about our thoughts and our emotions affecting everything in your body.
People may have been with me, but I was somewhere else. Right. Like I was tormented by fear. So, yeah.
[00:26:40] Speaker A: Wow.
Just real quick for the listener, especially new listeners, what Heather's talking about. Our thoughts, our heart beliefs, not intellectual thoughts. Heart beliefs. These core beliefs, how we see the world, how we see God, see ourselves, see others.
These heart beliefs. Absolutely. Program your physical cells, affect the expression of your genes, affect the water that your genes float in. Affect your mitochondria, specifically affect the vagus nerve.
The vagus nerve runs fight or flight or rest and digest. Sympathetic parasympathetic. That's the two gears it can run in.
And that Vegas, that autopilot nervous system we always talk about, it's programmed by these heart beliefs so you could wake up every day and tell your body, please be in rest and digest peace mode today. Parasympathetic. But it's not going to listen to your consciousness as much as it will listen to your heart beliefs.
Out of our heart flows everything.
And that autopilot, when it kicks, fight or flight, that affects gi, the gastrointestinal, the endocrine, your hormones and the immune system are the three big ones that it really, really affects. And from a physical diagnosis standpoint, autoimmune disease, hormone disruption problems, and gi and that those are some of the top, if not all the top symptoms that walk in our door at the clinic. So it's directly related to these heart beliefs.
And after thousands of patients now collectively here at Veritas, we can testify to it. 100. There's no way you can eat, exercise and hydrate yourself into true, made whole wellness without this piece that Heather just laid out, as you can see so clearly. And thank you, Heather, for sharing from, you know, your personal side of things and sharing your heart in that.
Nicole, I'm sure this conversation will bring you back in. Maybe you have some thoughts or things to reinforce or. And even just talking about kind of how you approach.
I don't know if you remember all the way back to Heather's first visit, but just with clients and patients now, you know, because this can be a foreign subject, but we're convinced here it's absolutely the most important foundational piece.
So maybe how would you encourage the audience or how do you talk to new clients, new, new, new people come and see you about this or any other comments you have on Heather's story that she shared.
[00:29:15] Speaker C: I think the biggest thing that comes to mind to me right now is we have a tendency to look at other people's stories and just think that it was like, point A and point B.
We don't really, like, look at the parts in between. And then we. We make our own idea of what their story in their life is about, because we can't feel their feelings.
We feel ours. Like, we know the deepest parts, the emotional parts of who we are.
So I think a lot of times I know this was true for me. Like, I'd look at someone else's life who went from sickness to made whole, and I would just think, think, okay, well, that happened so fast. It was a linear, progressive, you know, situation. And now they never struggle with anything. Like, it seems like they have their life all together.
And I think Heather probably would agree that she was maybe looking at that situation that. With me that way.
Like, how could you think of things like this? Or how, you know, just like I would think of things, I would run them through this filter, in her view, almost perfectly. But that wasn't true. Like, I knew how I was thinking of things. And I think all of us would say there's still moments in time where we have this mental struggle that we have to. At every. In everything in life, we have this opportunity to agree with the truth or agree with facts.
And that's going to be the. Your entire life is. Can you put the truth above the facts that you're seeing and that you're feeling and that it's an ongoing walking out, like you were saying in the beginning of the show, a journey.
So I would just recommend that if you're a listener and you're sort of feeling like, oh, feels like I have a long ways to go till I can be where Heather is.
She felt that way in the beginning. I felt that way in the beginning. Like, we feel like, golly, there's so many things I have to undo or think, think. But the way that God works and the beautiful thing is one change of your mind.
Like, Ben can probably explain this better.
Like, all of our memories are housed and connected to each other.
So when you change your mind about one thing, it's like a domino effect. Like, it changes all of that, and you begin to think about things differently. So it's not like you have to change decades worth of things thinking in decades. You can change decades worth of thinking. Like, now I can make the decision. I want to think about that differently. Every decision is a choice.
So I would Just resist the urge to like compare yourself or put yourself in Heather's story and thinking, golly, it seems like she got there really fast. And just be encouraged that that's the way God works. Like he works in with your cooperation.
All, like all of those cellular memories can be changed by just one decision to change the way you think. And there is a process in between. It's not always linear, but we just. He invites us into an opportunity. And when we agree and we accept that invitation, your life will change.
[00:32:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a law. It will absolutely change.
God. God set this thing up. It's easy for us to get the physical laws because we're such physical creatures with our five senses, but there's these laws in the invisible realm. Quantum physics has proved a lot of it out now too. But obviously the word of God's the truth and it's in there. But it's like Heather said, it's this clearing up of our. We just see different. You can read that same verse, but you, you're seeing it differently.
Heather or Nicole, either one.
Keeping in mind with this question, just the audience, especially new listeners.
I don't know if any testimonies would come to mind, but y' all are on the front lines. I mean, we open Veritas Wellness over a year ago. Or more specifically, well, two. Two reasons from my point. Well, number one, I just have always wanted to do that. A non medical health coaching truth teaching platform. But also we had a waiting list. But also it's just the best way to steward people.
They really don't need to see the doctor first. They sure don't need to sit on a waiting list for three to six months. They could be talking with someone who has the truth in them and start working that out. But for someone who is thinking about joining or some folks that have recently joined, kind of. Where do y' all recommend starting? And I know probably you're going to say it's going to be individualized, but just from an encouragement standpoint, from Yalls experience in walking with lots of people, kind of where would someone start? And what have y' all seen with people who have started on their journey and maybe have seen, you know, change their mind? I want to throw in repentance. That word repentance just means changing the way we think, not just changing our behavior. Wrong thinking leads to wrong beliefs leads to wrong behavior.
So we've got to just change our mind and go back to really agreeing with God's point of view in everything, but back to the question to Encourage the listeners or new people looking to join Veritas, maybe share some testimonies or where they could maybe start their journey.
[00:35:01] Speaker B: Yeah, so I would say just join the conversation. So there's so many different ways that when you become a member that you can join. So we have weekly groups, so you can join those if it works for your availability. And then also people sometimes start with the Peace page pillar and just peace consults.
So they just. That's. That's. They. They have heard Dr. Ben or some. Some other testimony, and it resonated with them, and they knew that's. That's why they landed at Veritas. I. I asked that question all the time. Why Veritas?
And oftentimes it's something resonated with them in their heart, and that's why they're here.
So I would say there's webinars, there's community groups. There's, you know, we, we built this community for you just to join the conversation however you feel comfortable.
But. So, yeah, I would say start where you feel comfortable, but just join the conversation. And if you feel like it makes you nervous to, you know, want to join a community group, you could just join and not even say anything. So there's a lot of opportunity.
[00:36:18] Speaker C: I would say everything that Heather said, but also be committed to just walk. Spirit. We have a tendency to, like, worry about what other people think or what their opinions are. So when we hear a new thing, a lot of times the first thing that we do is just ask someone near us, like, do you think this is true? Do you believe this?
And then even base our belief of a certain thing off of our experience or what happens in our life. And I would just recommend that you resist the urge to do that. The scripture says the Holy Spirit's your teacher and that the Word is able to correct us.
So take it to him. Like, if somebody in a group or your navigator or whomever, anyone in your life says something that maybe just doesn't land well, don't just automatically dismiss it because that can't be true because it didn't land well. Just ask God. Like, I don't see this as a truth in my life or understand it fully, but if it is true, I want to understand it. So can you show me and just learn to let him be your teacher. That is, I would say, important in anyone's journey because the enemy's going to come to steal the Word. The scripture says that persecution comes for the Word's sake. So he's going to come and try to steal any seed that's planted in you that could bring a change or transformation. So just resist that and allow the Holy Spirit to be your teacher.
[00:37:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree 100%.
Heather, you're in Delaware. I think we have wellness clients that are in almost all 50 states now since we launched last year.
Maybe maybe speak to that a little bit. Being out of state. Not. I mean, I know you well, your husband flew your son here, but a lot of people aren't going to do that. And I kind of say a lot of times that's not needed anyways. But can this really be done out of state and not need the doctor?
[00:38:27] Speaker B: It can be.
So, yes. So after I worked with a navigator, so I never personally saw a doctor.
You are my doctor now, but that was after.
And it can be done. So we. We. You can get your labs done. But I would say the biggest thing is walking this out with someone one on one.
Not just like a one time thing and then, you know, but joining the community, being willing. Like Nicole said, part of my journey was I was willing and open to lay everything out.
Everything that I thought I knew, everything that I thought I was right on everything.
I was willing to lay it out and say, teach me Holy Spirit, lead me into all truth. Right. So I was willing to something maybe that I've heard or that was different, that I was willing to take that back to the Lord and say, what does that mean?
And listen to his reply and let him show me.
And then when freedom came. And sometimes I can't even describe. Right. He exceeds our expectations so much that sometimes it's hard to put into words what he does inside of us. But.
But my biggest encouragement would be, yes, it can be done out of state. There are so many people within my community here that are members at Veritas and so just walking with someone.
But just like you said, you're the cure.
So it's understanding, having the knowledge allowing you. You're so gifted with connecting the dots and then taking that back to Holy Spirit and the relationship with God and then having.
Being in community with. With either one person or with others to walk that out together.
[00:40:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. The community part's huge. I think we a little bit take that for granted here at Veritas. We have such an amazing. Not only staff, but local clients and patients here. And we've developed that over 12, 13 years now.
But I will say Delaware, I mean, you, I don't know for sure, but I think you were the first Veritas member from Delaware.
And now it's just blossom from there. The impact, that ripple effect. So just an encouragement to everybody in general. I mean, so much negative in the world and don't even get into all that, but the positive and. And the true transformation that can happen from one encounter, one person to the next, to the next, to the 2, 3, 4. And it just spreads. So seems like you're. You're always sharing different little testimonies from. From Delaware. And it just.
I mean, praise be to God for your faithfulness and Nicole's faithfulness. I mean, it takes this whole community to see a nation healed.
And that's what I. That's how I see the way this country and this world is going to be taken back is when we as God's kids see him more clearly and see ourselves more clearly.
And then the testimony, that transformation, you can't deny it. And people see that in you. They see those fruits of the spirit and then they come and ask you, hey, what is up with you there?
[00:41:47] Speaker C: People that may, like, disagree with you or think you're crazy in story. It's like there's a seed there and think they remember that how you handled or what things that you've said.
[00:41:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
And that piece, y' all both said, it. It just made sense or it just clicked or whatever. I mean, I hear that all the time. And that same happened with me when Roby Mitchell started telling me some things. You know that part that said, oh, man, that's the truth. That makes sense. Of course, then this other part of me kicks in. It's like, no, that can't be. Or all the doctors that trained me would have told me that, you know, so you can get in that back and forth, but that initial boom that hit your spirit, man, is truth.
That just makes sense. Like the stomach acid thing. If it's normal, pH is 1 to 2. That's what closes this valve. It's when you don't have enough, the valves open. Acid reflux all the time. I'll hear that makes sense. Well, the same in the spiritual realm, but there's so many filters of traditions of man, life experience, religion, whatever.
We have these thoughts.
So that's my encouragement to the audience. When you hear something that just clicks with you, wait a minute. That makes sense. But then you immediately go to your five senses, like Nicole said, facts versus truth. And you turn back to your life, your physical symptoms, your bank account, your relationships, all these things, experiences you've had that would contradict that truth. And we let that dictate to us.
So maybe Nicole you can speak to that a little bit because obviously we're in the business of there's sick people reaching out to us.
And that's hard. That's a hard thing to talk through when you're sick and suffering, especially if you've been suffering for many, many years, to not let that those symptoms dictate truth to you. So maybe speak to that a little bit.
[00:43:44] Speaker C: So it's like we're wired to want to feel good and be at peace and have joy. But we've been programmed for when we're sick, we call the doctor. When we need money, we call the bank. When we need peace, we call the psychiatrist.
So we have all these avenues of different places to get these things. But it goes back to, like what Chris said, looking at this organic avocado and asking it to give you life, you're putting your hope in these things that are subject to decay. And he explained it so well, what I've thought. But the truth, the reason that it's that way is because when you do that, it forces you. It's like if you go through your day, you can go through your day and it can feel like a normal day, but subconsciously you can be aware of a process problem in your life.
That's meditation. Like when somebody says, I can't meditate, or I don't believe in meditation.
When you can be doing something else and be subconsciously aware of something, it's because you've meditated on it. It's. It's what is there when you're not actively thinking about it.
So we've been taught when something hurts or whatever, we focus on that. That's why God told the Israelites in the Old Testament, don't let my word depart from your mouth, your eyes, your ears, write it on the door frames of your house.
Because he knew what they focused on becomes we become what we behold.
So if what we're focusing on is the symptoms and it is a. It is a, like a.
A difficult line because the symptoms are real. Like we're not telling you it's fake or that you don't feel that, but the amount of attention that you give to that is going to determine what you hold in your subconscious mind, which is why you have to make sure that you're focused on the solution as much or more than you're focused on the problem. Like, you don't want to learn everything about the problem because that's what you're going to subconsciously think about.
So if while you're in pain or you're still having symptoms. You can read scriptures like Psalm 103, 3, he heals all disease first Peter 2:24. By his wounds you were healed. Those things are seeds that you're planting in yourself, and they're going to spring up like, you can make it to where your subconscious mind thinks about the word when you're at work and doing other things. But. But we just have to spend time. We have to really teach ourselves to meditate or think on those things.
So I would say that's the best way to, like, facts change. Like today in West Texas, it's kind of cool and rainy. That's a fact.
That's not typical in July in West Texas. Usually it's 105 degrees.
So tomorrow that fact's going to change. It's not going to be in the 70s and raining tomorrow.
Truth doesn't change.
So we always have to put these facts under subjection of the truth. Yes, this is a fact right now, but what does the truth say about that fact? So it's not really ignoring these facts or these ways that we feel, but it's just honoring the truth more than we honor the facts. So I may have made that even more confusing. But it's just what we focus on, what we give our attention to. And we can't just give our attention to our problems or our symptoms and forsake the word because that's how our life changes. Romans 12 tells us that we'll be transformed by the renewing of our mind.
[00:47:35] Speaker A: Yeah, and there's. And like we said, beginning. It is a journey, that transformation process. There are. There are moments for sure of bam, bam, bam. Aha. Quantum leap happens. But that maturation, and that's something. Back to the orphan versus son. You know, a baby versus a toddler versus a teenager. Adolescent, young adult, fully mature son. There's this process of maturing so that we're not so easily knocked to and fro.
Now I can, in my own life, look back and see that I was a baby drinking milk for a long, long time.
And it's easy to see that with clients and patients, too.
So that's just another piece of this again to encourage the audience that, you know, don't just depend on what belief system you came from or church or religion you grew up in.
Just thinking there's.
There's just certain steps to it, and that's it. That's all there is. I would just wait for the Rapture.
You know, I just see so much that the enemy has just steal, kill, and Destroy because of lack of knowledge and not maturing further down that narrow path. You know, I went through the narrow gate and pretty much I just sat down the first step inside that gate and sat sucking on the bottle for 30 years.
And how much the enemy got to have a heyday.
And fruit was produced. It was not of the kingdom of God.
It was not life and life more abundantly. It wasn't the fruits of the spirit. When it's my own effort through my own thinking, my own filters, my own goggles, a tree of knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong, all that, there's a lot of fruit produced from that sowing and reaping.
So, guys, I know this is a lot and I, I think Nicole and I'll do more podcasts in the future on some of these deeper things too, so be looking forward to that.
But circling all the way back around my heart with this interview today was just to continue to highlight the wellness program we just launched. You're the Cure. Nicole and Heather were a huge part of that production, so thank you ladies for that. I know it's going to impact a lot of people and I think I can speak for them and the whole team at Veritas. Our heart is for this truth to be spread far and wide so that people can be set free.
Now, you're the Cure is specifically for stewardship of the physical. We touch on the peace pillar, but that one's really just to help folks that have zero understanding that vegetable oil is not beneficial for your cells and high fructose corn syrup is not beneficial for your cells. And blue light all day long and sitting all day long and never engaging your muscles and avoiding salt and all the things that standard Americans do. We know that impacts the physical.
Like Nicole's been talking about Chris Blackaby from a few weeks ago.
If that's the where you're at, I mean, that's where we've all been.
Yes, work on those things, but don't make those things your idol. Don't let that be your total focus.
Under.
I don't know the exact number, but what if only 10% of your physical symptoms directly related to those physical things versus our invisible thought life or heart beliefs impacting 90% of your physical.
If that mitochondria is 90% impacted by your heart beliefs, that's a big deal.
And I think it probably is something like 90 10, but I don't know. We don't. We have to argue about that. But ladies, we've got a few minutes left. I'm Gonna give y' all kind of the final closing comments if you have any or encouragement, again, keeping the listener in mind. Any new new voices or new new people tuning in, just encourage them with some final thoughts or a testimony from a client y' all worked with.
[00:51:52] Speaker B: Well, I will.
I will say that I hope that you join and I hope that we will get the opportunity to meet and walk together.
It coming to Veritas has changed my life, and I want everyone to know what was deposited in my heart and what changed me.
So I'm super passionate about that, and I would love to walk with you on that journey, like, both of them.
And I'm still on my journey as well, so I would love the opportunity to walk with you as well.
[00:52:30] Speaker C: Yes, I agree with all of that, and I would recommend that you spend some time on the testimonial page. I feel like that can just encourage you. Like, I would think of Caitlyn specifically. Was she. We actually did two or three radio shows with her because she just had so much going on in her physical body. Like, she could have just believed.
I. There's no way that my body, where it's at, could get better. This can't work for. For me. Like, she had every reason to identify with. This can't work for me because there was just so many things.
And what God did in her story was just so beautiful. And it all, every single time, it's always just a heart of.
I. I surrender. Like, I surrender my responsibility to get myself well.
You teach me what I need to know. Like, every success story is that.
And so stay. Go to the testimonial page and just watch what God has done with some of the really just deepest, darkest, hurtful stories that none of us want to hear. But there was beauty from ashes.
And it all starts with just accepting this invitation to just change the way you think, the way you view things. And then your body changes. Your body's just following along.
Most of our symptoms are our body trying to protect itself. Like, we get frustrated. We're like, why is it doing this? Why do I have this symptom? But it's literally your body trying to keep you alive.
So be gentle with your body and just listen to how the renewing of the mind can impact those symptoms.
[00:54:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I would concur with all of that. And especially going to the testimonial page, guys. And that's on the website veritaswellnessmember.com we have a testimonial page there. But then also when you're there, you can click on resources and then the podcast page. And on that podcast page, there's a topic box. You can click that and it's a drop down box and there's a testimonial section on the podcast page. And I just looked at it and I think there's about 30 different podcasts with various testimonies on there.
Those are very, very encouraging to people.
So, yes, those testimonies, that's what's going to overcome the dragon, the blood of the lamb, and word of the testimony of the saints. So, Heather and Nicole, thank you all for your testimony here today. I know it's a little nerve wracking coming on the show sometimes, but y' all did great and I know it's going to impact a lot of lives in a positive way. So thank you all for all you do for Veritas, all you do for the clients and patients.
I'm super grateful to be able to be on the same team with y' all in the same family.
And guys, I'll just wrap it up with God wanted a family.
We got to go back to God's original intent. Why did he even create this physical realm?
Why did he create humans?
What's the point of the Garden of Eden, the physical realm and Adam and Eve and the whole thing going all the way back to these. And you can ask God that, start having conversations with God about what was your original intent? Why did you do this? Why was a lamb slain from the foundation of the world before you even made this world?
These core basic things.
Because, like, I think it was Nicole said, we've been, you know, it's like we got malware in us. We've been programmed a certain way. We are wired. We, we are supposed to resonate with our creator, who is a loving father. We're supposed to resonate and connect.
There's these vibrational frequencies of connection when we're walking in true joy and peace.
But there's this virus, so to speak, that, that came in, this malware that came in and got downloaded into us. And we've got to go back and reprogram, reboot back to the original intent of God.
So it's an awesome journey to be on. I encourage all to just start where you're at. Call your Wellness Navigator. You can get on and join today. Peace Pillar consults are no extra charge. And for those of y' all who have been members for a long time, I just want to personally say thank you so much. God put it on my heart to not charge for peace Pillar consults Now obviously a worker's worth his wage, so the navigators get paid a wage, but the peace pillar consults we don't charge for. So your monthly membership dollars. I know we have a ton of content, all the stuff we produce in the community groups and all the things, the blood work panel, all the consults you can do. But just having that basically donation every month, that ongoing donations. So especially for you alumni that have graduated, so to speak, or you're symptom free and you continue to support us. I really appreciate that. So thank you and please share this far and wide with your friends, your neighbors, co workers.
We do. Corporate wellness can bring this truth into your company with the intent of setting you free so that you don't need a doctor and you can walk all the days of your life. Well, not only. Well, not just symptom free. Jesus with those lepers, all their symptoms went away, but the one leper came back and Jesus used this different word, sozo made whole.
And that is the ultimate goal for everybody to truly walk out and produce effortlessly the fruits of the spirit that Heather mentioned.
So that's our heart. That's why we're doing what we're doing. So thank you all for being part of the community, for being a listener.
Love to walk with you more if you're not a member.
Would love for you to join and and just help this truth continue to spread throughout the country and the world.
Okay, ladies, thank you all very much for being with us today.
[00:58:48] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:58:49] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:58:50] Speaker A: Okay, everybody, Dr. Ben Edwards, you're the cure of veritas. Wellnessmember.com we'll see you next week with another great show. Bye Bye.
