Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of youf're the Cure. We have Abraham John joining us again today. So hold on. Buckle up. It's gonna be good.
If you didn't hear the interview from a few weeks ago, go back and listen to that. It was great. It was one of our most listened to interviews this year.
And even you can go back on the website. I've had Abraham on a couple other times in previous years. Highly encourage you to go put his name in the search bar of the podcast page on our website veritas wellnessmember.com and go listen to some of those other one.
But before we bring Abraham on, just want to give a little quick shout out. I just talked to the owner the other day of One Guy Pizza. Now this is for our local folks or if you're out of town and happen to come to Lubbock someday, One Guy Pizza. They quit using soybean oil and they're using olive oil now. So congrats, y'.
[00:00:50] Speaker B: All.
[00:00:50] Speaker A: Go get a pizza there if you need a pizza. Cast iron grill. They're using tallow instead of seed oils. They and then Buffalo Wild Wings and Blue sky, the hamburger joint here in town, they're doing their french fries in tallow. So just wanted to recognize that hopefully more and more restaurants will do that. You know, guys, if you want to create a human being whose body is sick and inflamed and a prime candidate for Alzheimer's and cancer and heart attacks and autoimmune disease, then feed that human seed oils, sifted grain and high fructose corn sirup. Those are the big three ingredients. If you want to produce a human who has a damaged mitochondria that creates a lot of toxic oxidative free radicals. That's how you do it. Just feed them that. And that is the modern American diet has been for a number of decades now. And it's at the root of the physical bodily inflammation that we're seeing.
And so of course, in our wellness program and in our clinic, we recommend not eating that man food.
Eat real fresh milled grain, not sifted grain. Man sifted God's grain for benefit of the pocketbook of the producer, not your cells benefit. And the same with the seed oils are cheap as opposed to the ancient oils that our ancestors used in fats that they used.
And then same with the sweeteners, honey, maple syrup, God's version of cane sugar. There's actual medicinal properties to those sweeteners used in moderation. So get back to God's food. But I Will tell you after 20 years of being a doctor and half of that being more holistic doctor, 20,000 patients during that holistic time over the past 13 years, 20,000 plus, we've seen a lot of people improve with eating real food, God food, not man food, and drinking good clean water instead of sugar water and moving and getting sunshine.
That does help the physical body.
But another way to toxify a human and create inflammation is to teach them, expose them, convince them of a lie, a lie about themselves and a lie about their creator.
These false beliefs we have create heart beliefs and mindsets. It causes us to make certain decisions and then our spouse and our kids and our co workers and our politicians and our doctors will even make decisions under the influence of these beliefs that aren't true. So we've got to go deeper into the soul, into the spirit. And in Abraham John's book, Principles of Self Governance, that's the latest book we're going to talk about today, he actually mentions that we do need to nourish the physical body. We need to nourish the, give some intellectual nourishment to the soul and we obviously need to feed the spirit.
And so that's why we have these kind of interviews. It's just not all about the diet and the food and the exercise. The physical body only that's so much easier for us to attend to because it's a physical thing. We can go do, do, do where the other things. It's more about be who you are, who God made you to be. But you got to know who that is. And a lot of us don't know that. And I did not realize when I purchased this book, Principles of Self Governance. The subtitle Solution to the Current Global Political, Economic and Social Crises that are Abounding in the Earth right now.
And I thought, yeah, awesome, let's figure out how to fix this thing. I think a lot of us are frustrated. A lot of us started waking up more and more and more after 2020 and seeing that so much of our world is rooted in a lie.
And part of me, because my great, great, great, great, great, great, great granddad, William Bradford, he was a, he was kind of anti establishment guy. He separated from the Church of England, had to flee, got thrown in jail actually for leaving that church, went to Amsterdam for a little while. He and other members of the congregation that separated those separatists. And then he eventually got on the Mayflower boat and came to America and was voted governor of Plymouth Colony 30 years in a row. And that great Great, great, great, great, great, great, great. Granddad said, the only government that will work in this new land is one where God's law, God's truth is written on the hearts of men.
And that is what it's all about. So regardless of what government system is implemented in your country, we have a lot of international listeners now. So regardless of whether you're, you know, in a democracy or a constitutional republic, which is what we used to be supposed to be, communist, socialist, all the different things.
It's all. And I'm not going to say one's better than other. I'm saying it's not Kingdom, none of it works if God's law is not written on the man's heart. And that means it's rooted in love. Love your neighbor, love God, love your neighbor as much as you love yourself. And everything else kind of works out.
So. But you got to know who you are.
So I was pleasantly surprised when the. The principles of self governance, as I started reading it, really boiled down to identity, self awareness. And that's what we're going to talk about. You know, as Chad Gonzalez mentioned last week, that podcast last week I thought was going to be on healing, it was on Identity, and the one before that was Identity, and we've had Jamie Winship on about identity, and we had Ray Sturtevant on it was Identity. You see a theme here. God's trying to do something in the earth right now in relationship to his kids, knowing who they are.
So we're going to continue that. Abraham, John, thank you so much for coming back. I know you're super busy. I don't know when you write these books because they seem to come out every week.
I'm still going back to the last time. The what Happened to God book is right here. It's on my nightstand. I keep referencing that one, too. So, man, just thank you for being a gift to the body, to the. To humanity, and pointing us to some truth for us to really digest. And guys, there's some meat in here. You gotta chew on some of this stuff. So today's podcast is not going to be a quick drink of milk. You're gonna have to chew and chew and chew on this, I can already tell you. So, Abraham, thank you so much for coming back.
[00:07:18] Speaker B: Thank you. Thank you so much for inviting me back. That is a blessing and appreciate you for what you're doing, because couple of the things that is close to my heart is kingdom health care, God's original intent to take care of our body and soul.
Because what you're doing and bringing that awareness to God's people. It is so important and vital.
So I appreciate you. Thank you for the sacrifice and the legacy, like you were saying, like generations that laid the foundation.
Now you as an individual fulfilling and carrying out that mandate.
And we can't thank you enough. So appreciate you.
And what God is planning to do, actually, it's like a convergence. What is happening now?
God is propelling all of us into his assignment.
So there is a convergence happening, alignment happening. God is bringing a lot of pieces and people together and it's happening with all of us. And even to our listeners now, some of them may be frustrated, disappointed in life, but it is a new beginning. God has brought you to a place, a moment in life as that this not to leave you alone, but to give you a fresh start, a new beginning. That's why you're here. That's where you're watching this podcast.
Because that beginning, that time has come. Whatever happened in the past, whatever did not happen in the past, Holy Spirit is saying, do not live in the regrets.
Do not look back, look forward.
Because all that you've been waiting for is for a moment like now.
And it is very important for all of us to recognize that because there's so much of distraction happening every day. Every moment there's something happens, something pops up either on the news or in our life or in our own relationships. It is to distract you and to cause you to look back.
And it is a trap of the enemy.
And the Holy Spirit is warning some of you watching this, it's a trap of the enemy. Because anytime you get tripped on something, the tendency for us is to look back. Oh, my gosh, now this goes again. You know, look at this. It never gets any better. No, no, no, no. That season is over.
That season of frustration, that disappointment that you had, it was all a lesson that we have to learn. It's a preparation time, and we have come to the assignment moment. So thank you, Dr. Ben, for inviting me back. I'm so blessed and honored to be here to share a little bit of, you know, according to the grace God has given me to share on this platform. So I'm so grateful. Thank you.
[00:10:41] Speaker A: You're very welcome. And I think that's a great place to start the assignment.
You know, if you don't know who you are, your true self, you talk in a book about a fake self versus your true self.
So maybe we can get into that a little bit. What. What motivated you to write the book?
How important is walking into Your new assignment or your assignment on the earth as knowing who you are, your true self versus fake self. And, and what do you mean by fake self?
[00:11:14] Speaker B: You know, life after living more than 50 years now, I discovered from God's perspective life makes sense only when we look at. From. Look at it from God's perspective.
Because everything else is a lie, everything else is a trap and a deception.
Finally, when we come into God's perspective and look at life on earth, everything all of a sudden makes sense.
And I found out all these books comes out of my own experience with God and my walk with the Lord. Questions that I had. Dr. Ben. Out of my own frustrations, my own search because I wanted to know because things were not working the way I was told or I was taught. Because I grew up in a religious background where everything, when something goes wrong, everything was blamed on the devil. The devil, devil, devil. Where this book came from, self awareness or self governance principle.
Everything was blamed on the devil or a demon. And you come into this most wonderful country in the world and we live in this most blessed country, at least outwardly. When something goes wrong, what happens?
We don't blame the devil, we blame the left wing or the right wing.
I'm sorry for being, I'm not into politics, I'm a kingdom citizen.
But that's the way we have been program. That is our auto response.
Something happens in the political realm, what happens? The first response is okay, this group is the one. We don't even know actually what happened. We don't need to know, we don't want to know. We just programmed to think, okay, here goes the blame.
That blame game started with Adam, Adam and Eve in the beginning, you know, because they don't want accept responsibility.
And when I began to search and discover why God created us and I found out life on earth supposed to be simple and easy.
It's supposed to be, but we made it so complicated.
We messed this thing up so much. Now we are like we want to reset, we want to restart again because it's not working the way it's supposed to work. Like none of the things, not government, no religion, our own personal life, economy, healthcare system, educational system, Everything is like we are beginning to discover this is not the way it's supposed to be.
So like you mentioned in the introduction, many people are going through that great awakening. Something is happening inside the spirits of human being. All over the world there's a great awakening happening. And they are discovering the lies they were taught, the deceptions and the circus that we have Been playing that we call life.
So lives should have been so easy and simple. How God Almighty created us and sent us to this earth to fulfill an assignment for his kingdom.
That is that simple. That is the meaning of life.
We are not here by accident. Whether we are in America, India, Russia, wherever we are. Every single human being alive on the earth today was created by God, sent to this earth to fulfill an assignment.
But as soon as they arrived, what happened is we were all born into different countries, culture, governments, economy, religion.
And they started to program us, they start to recruit us, what we call the educational system.
That education was not to bring out the best in us, our identity or our purpose.
It was to conform us, to condition us, to fit into a system so that we serve that system for the rest of our life.
So most people don't get to live their life.
That is why they feel so disappointed and unfulfilled in their heart, in their spirit. Man, I have people, Dr. Ben coming to me. 75 years old, 80 years old, still asking the question, Abraham, I don't know what I'm supposed to do with my life.
And these people grew up in church. They were serving, doing all the church stuff on, on Wednesdays and Sundays and weekends and every opportunity they get. But they feel this unfulfilled fulfillment in their heart and their spirit.
Because they are not doing what they were born to do.
They're not discovering their true identity. Like you mentioned, where did our identity comes from?
Does it come from what we do?
Or does it come from the culture or the race?
Where does a person's true identity comes from?
And why did we lose it? If we don't know who we are, what went wrong initially? That's where we need to start from. And that's where this book came from. This principles of self governance solution to the current global, economical, political, social crisis. That's a big subtitle to fulfill.
But as you know, when you're reading it, it's like discovering who we are.
It is time.
This season that we are in is the season to discover the true self. Who we are and why we are here.
That's the season we are in.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
And in the book you say it's actually the number one key to living a meaningful life. It says self awareness of your true self.
And you, you put that. Your whole motive to write this book is basically because the whole world's going through this, you know, same thing together. But I'll quote from the book here. He said this book is not about doing something great or extraordinary.
This is merely an inspiration for you to discover your true self and to live what you were born to be.
This is my sole motive. It doesn't take or require anything special from you to do this. All it takes is to realize who you are, your true self, apart from whatever chicken coops you were brought up in or conditioned by.
And you use this chicken coop analogy really well all through the book. So maybe we, maybe that'd be a good way to help the listeners understand.
But you go on, on the same page. 28. We are all in this process at the moment. The whole earth and the entire human species is going through this process, regardless of our religious or nationalistic views.
Some are ahead of others and many are still in denial.
And when I read that, it took me back to that verse about. I know, so I'm not quoting it exactly, but basically in the end times it'll be like it was in the days of Noah.
And you know, people I think think about the nephilim or demonic influence and stuff, but in those verses it was saying people were going about their business, marrying and giving in marriage. And you know, that piece of that verse, it made me think about people were just going about their day to day life trying to find comfort in this normalcy. They don't want to get out of their comfort zone, their normal routine. The traditions of man. You talk about, I think in your other book, what happened to God, that everybody who's in this transition, you've got it like Abraham, come out of your country, of your, your house, your family, tradition, all that stuff. And there are people that are sensing that and doing it. And then there's people going back to these traditions of man and let's just stay comfortable. And I think that would go along with what this PA just said. Many are still in denial.
But so maybe explain why is this foundational individual identity, identity piece so important for. I mean, because this subtitle, Solutions for a Current Global Political, Economic, Social crisis. Those are big things. And we're boiling it down to a unique individual thing that has to happen.
And then we can also talk about that chicken coop analogy.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: Yes. So I believe there's a dissatisfaction going on in the hearts of the people all over the place, whether it is religion or politics or whatever's happening in their own life, what they should be doing in relation to what they are doing.
So there is a divine dissatisfaction, there's a shaking going on even in our own individual self inside us. So people are looking for answers. You know, the religion they were part of it's not fulfilling, it's not satisfying them. But they don't know where to go, what is next? What else is out there.
What they don't know is what their heart is longing for is the kingdom of God.
We were not made for any religion.
And the question is, there are three fundamental questions I think I might have mentioned in one of the previous podcast.
Three fundamental questions on which all our life exists from is, who am I?
Where did I come from? Why am I here? That who am I? Has to do with our identity.
Where did I come from? Where's my source? And also, why am I here? Has to do with our purpose.
These three things when we are these three questions, when we are able to answer them honestly.
That is the moment an individual is ready to live their life. Until then, we are looking for the answers to these questions.
And what I have discovered is God in his divine wisdom included the answers to those three questions in the first chapter of Genesis.
It's like, you know, we've been looking for this all over the world.
Through education, through science, through philosophy, through religion.
God hidden the answers to those three questions in Genesis chapter one, verse 26, where God said, let us create man in our image and in our likeness, and let them have dominion. In those two lines lies the answers to those three questions. Who am I?
I am created in the image made and likeness of God. I came from God.
I am a child of most high. That's what the Bible says about Adam. In Luke 3. 38, the Bible says Adam was the son of God.
And as we know, when Adam sinned, what happened? We were told Adam lost heaven.
Now he's going to go to hell.
And Jesus came to die for our sins so that we can all go back to heaven.
That's not exactly what happened there.
I think I shared last time. When Adam sinned, his relationship with God was not completely broken.
God came down looking for Adam. God did not separate himself from Adam.
He came calling, Adam, where are you? That means there was a relationship.
There's a dimension of relationship still existed there. It was not a total, just cut off silence. You know, sometimes we feel, many of us feel like that. Where is God? Why is he so silent? Maybe I did something wrong.
Even when we do wrong, God speaks to us.
He's our Father. So if we have a religious mind, oh, I made a mistake. Now God, stop speaking to me. No, no, no, no. That is the religious spirit coming to lie to you.
When we are in trouble, that's when we need God the most, right? When we are in trouble when we fall.
That's when we need God the most.
But the religious spirit comes and tell us that's when God just leave you alone.
That is the lie from the pit of hell.
When Peter denied Christ, you know if any of us grew up in church, Peter would not be preaching again.
We would have cancelled his ordination.
His apostleship is done. He denied and cursed the Lord three times. There's no chance for him.
But Jesus did not leave him alone.
Dear child of God, my brother, my sister, if you feel like God has left you or God stopped speaking to you because you did something wrong 20 years ago or 40 years ago, whatever I tell you, my brother, my sister, he hasn't left you.
What happened was there is a blockage that came into your soul, into your mind.
That lie that you believed about God, that's what I address in that first book. Dr. Benroke, what happened to God?
The lie. Because God is the most misunderstood person in the universe.
Because God is good all the time. We say that in the church after the preacher. God is good all the time, all the time. God is good.
But then we bring all these conditions and make God look like something else. If he is good all the time, especially when we do something wrong, that's when we will be running to him the most.
That is the kind of father he is. That's what he expected from Adam when he committed the disobedience, ate from the tree. God expected Adam to run to him.
Why are we not running to God when we are in trouble? Why do we feel like rejected, separated? Silence of God. Dr. Ben, this is a word for somebody out there.
I feel the Holy Spirit in me. Why do we feel like God distanced from us? Because we thought, oh, God doesn't like sinners.
The Bible says God so loved the world. There was not even one single righteous human being on the earth. When the Bible said God so loved the world. Not a single human being who was righteous to say, oh, I qualify myself to be accepted by God. No, all have sinned and came short of God's glory.
And that is the people. God came seeking us, looking for us. So God expected Adam to run to him saying daddy, Father Abba, I'm sorry I disobeyed. I made this mistake. God would have restored him right there.
But something happened inside Adam.
[00:28:07] Speaker A: Adam.
[00:28:08] Speaker B: God did not separate himself from Adam, but Adam felt separated from God.
And we see after sin, God himself came down clothing Adam and Eve by killing an animal, making a tunic covered them. Because this is so foundation People have to catch it. Because unless we go back and address this, we will not make progress in our spiritual life. We will hear another message, another message, another teaching.
We say it is good, it is powerful, but the root system that we were all holding on to, unless that being plucked and replanted, rooted and grounded in love, in God's love. Ephesians chapter 1, verse 13 says he has predestined us. I'm not a Calvinist.
God predestined us in him before the foundation of the world chose us, made us holy and blameless in him in love, not in the law in love.
And we don't understand this love. We say God is love, but then we make all this condition. Abraham, what about this? What about that? What if that person does this? What if that person does? Once you experience the love of God, that doesn't leave you in sin.
That's where people misunderstand, Abraham. If you just preach love, everybody just goes out and do crazy stuff.
No, that's the opposite.
Once a person individually experience, encounter, encounter God in his love, there's a transformation happens internally, first and in their mind. What happens is when you love Somebody like Dr. Ben said, you love God, you love yourself and love your neighbor or love God, love yourself and love the neighbor and love yourself as you love yourself once you are in that relationship with love. Not of love, not out of fear, not out of fear of judgment or fear of going to hell. That's why most people serve or believe in God. Because they're afraid of hell or afraid of judgment or punishment or they're having an accident or something going wrong or they're getting sick, or when they get sick, they think it is a punishment from God. I want to tell that to you, my dear brothers and sisters. If you are coming to Dr. Ben for a treatment, it is not a punishment from God.
Whatever you are experiencing in your body, it is not a punishment that God is giving you. Because he is good. He doesn't give evil to anybody.
Jesus said, you being evil knows how to give good gifts to your own children. If your child ask for an egg, would you give him a scorpion? Or if you ask for, if your child asking for bread, will you give him a serpent? No, that's not the God we serve. That misconception that came into our heart about God, that's what he is changing now. He's removing that old slide, the glass, the lens through which we looked at God and life.
God is removing that and putting it replacing with the right perception so you can See God for who he is and see yourself clearly who you are and see life for what it meant to be.
My goodness, I feel like a fire shut up in my bone. Dr. Ben.
That is happening now. We are in that process seeing God for who he is, seeing ourself for the real self, the authentic self that we are, and seeing life for what it meant to be.
[00:32:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
Talk a little bit about what clouds that lens or gives us the wrong filters on our lenses, specifically on, on self. I mean, I think on the God thing, a lot of that comes through religion. I would say when we don't have a clear understanding of God. I mean, obviously the enemy can, can come in any, through any portal to bring that lie into the earth. But on self, how do people in their youth typically, I think it is, start to get these filters on?
And that's again, going back to that chicken coop. Maybe we can talk about that. Because people just walk around believing these things about themselves and they operate from that point of view. They're making decisions, they're, they're speaking from it. They're. They're gathering data through their eyes and ears and then making judgment calls and then speaking and doing and acting out of this under the influence of these filters. Like the eagle in the chicken coop, to know he's an eagle was.
[00:33:45] Speaker B: We were sent by God, but landed in different chicken coops of religion, denominations, political views, ideologies.
And one major thing, other major thing that happened that forms that filter or poison that filter or make that filter toxic is our own personal experiences.
From the time we were born.
We were all born free, free spiritual agents sent by God. We didn't know anything when we landed here. Every other creature, actually every God, every creation God created comes to Earth knowing why they were created. Every bird knows why they were created. That's why Jesus told us to look at the birds of the sky, because they know why God created them and they're doing what he created them to do. And he says they don't lack anything.
Look at the animals, look at the lilies of the field.
And then he's saying, look at our life, what happened to us. We are not doing what God created us to do because we were all born into different chicken coops of religion. For myself, I was born into this religious extremism.
Extremism means ultra holiness extremism. In our church back in India, Dr. Ben, the men and women don't even sit on the same side. They don't sit together. There's a separation. All the ladies on one Side, all the men on one side.
Imagine that maybe it's like the synagogues of the Jewish people in early century. But that is the tradition they are following now. And what happens is those experiences forms a perception inside us about life, about other people, about God, and also four major relationship.
First of all, our relationship with our own parents, our own father.
Which forms the relationship or the perception of God in us.
That is the number one thing that causes the perception or the chicken coop.
Why do we see God the way we do now? Most people is because it's based on the relationship they had or they have with their earthly father.
Because that earthly father is the person who's supposed to represent God, the Father to us.
And most cases it doesn't happen. We have a negative experience, sometimes the mother, sometimes somebody else. They did or said things that have wounded us, our soul and our hearts. And many people carry that for the rest of their life.
And they don't.
Some people don't even talk about it.
And then what happens? Those toxic emotions that they have been covering up in their life manifest as dis ease.
You know about this more than I do because you are an expert in this field.
What happened to Adam when he disobeyed God?
Three things happened.
He saw himself as naked or shame came to him and shame brought fear and fear brought. And he went to hiding.
So either we are facing one of those things in our life, all of our lives, either we feel shame. What is shame? We feel like we are not good enough.
We don't have what it takes.
That is shame does to us. We are not good enough, we don't have what it takes.
And God will not accept me the way I am.
So this fear comes to us, fear of rejection.
So we go into hiding.
And that's what happens to humanity. We are all in hiding from God because we don't want to come to light.
Because we think God is going to judge us and punish us and do all those things. But God is merciful, he is kind, he is loving, he is willing to forgive any moment. We say to God, father, please forgive me. I'm sorry for what happened to me.
And that's what this health kingdom health care system is so important. So we are not dealing with, with the physical body, but there's something beyond that. The soul part of our life.
All those lies, experiences that we had in our life that formed from our chicken coop of religion, political views, education, personal experiences, these are all ingredients of the chicken coop we were all brought up in which created the person that we are now anything that happens in our life at the moment, financially, relationally, physically, the root goes back to our childhood.
The root lies in something that happened in our childhood upbringing.
So the first relationship is with our parents, which formed our view of God and also our relationship with ourselves.
Whether I like myself, if I don't like myself, where did that come from?
It comes from my parents, the way they treated us, the way they brought us, what they told us, how they handled challenges. Happens because none of us are perfect.
I have not seen a perfect parent. I am not a perfect parent.
But once you recognize where the root lies, instead of dealing with the fruit, let's go back to the root of the issue.
And it takes some digging, it takes some research. That's what this book will help you. The principles of left the way this book is written, there is a lot of room in there that, that you can fill in answers, questions to find out the root of the issue.
This is not a book that you just read it and forget about it. But this will help you to go for personal discovery because the greatest discovery is self discovery.
Unearthing all the fake self, the chicken coops experience religion, going back to the beginning, going back to the root. Discovering who you are and why God sent you to this earthfold.
That's what God helped me to put in this book.
[00:41:24] Speaker A: Iterate for the audience on just the culture, this western American culture in particular. So performance driven in which just performance is rewarded. These systems Abraham talked about earlier educational systems. Just so much of our culture, you know, the performance of sports or whether it's ballet and the arts or instrument band, you know, it's all about be first chair, first team, all star number one, perform before or in the classroom, make all a honor roll, be the top of your class, be in the top 2%, 10%, whatever. There's rewards for performance.
So it's really easy, really easy for a smaller child, especially in elementary school, to get a filter in their heart beliefs that I have to perform to be loved, be accepted, to be liked, to be worthy, self worth and value all that. Real easy to slip into that in certain settings more than others. It gets real easy to get confused on.
You know, it's good to be respectful and respect elders and teachers and coaches and all that and be obedient, obey the rules. I'm not saying to be rebellious, but it's easy when you start to you you can misinterpret that to hey, if I keep everybody happy, I'm going to follow all these rules to a T so everyone's happy with me. And that's a spirit of man pleasing people. Pleasing. We become yes people and try to keep everybody happy.
Well that's a filter. And that can lead to a heavy burden, a very heavy yoke. You're self yoking yourself to saying yes to everything.
Every, every volunteer activity, every church activity, everything. At your kids school. You say yes because you don't want anybody to be mad at you.
But our culture here really sets us up for that.
So those are just a couple of examples of people pleasing a performance there. But there's events that happen in our life and they don't even have to be real traumatic. It can be. One day, one event, one coach, one teacher, one grandparent, one friend said something and it hit you just a certain way or all the kids in the class laughed at you and you interpreted that as whatever. I mean this is where these things slip in on us. But we take it on this deep, deep internal level of identity level like I am rejected.
And when we see ourselves as this false self. Abraham talks in the book about your true self versus your fake self.
And that's the fake self. You're not rejected.
You think you are and that influences your decisions.
And then just imagine if everyone in your household is in their fake self, their fake identity. And your coaches and your teachers and your principals and your employers and your co workers are all in their fake selves, seeing the world not through clarity and truth.
And imagine if your city council and your mayor and your governor and your president, if everyone's walking around.
I interviewed a few different folks this year on the orphan spirit. When people think they have to be their self provision, self protection, it's all this I have to do it myself orphan mentality. Pretty much everybody's subjected to that thing when they don't know sonship.
Just so many different mindsets, heart, beliefs. And we're all walking around acting out of these fake selves.
[00:45:08] Speaker B: Sure, Dr. Bain, it's all over.
Performance based love, acceptance and identity. That is one of the traps that we really need to recognize and understand and make that shift in our life. In the kingdom, God accepts you not based on your performance.
You start with acceptance and love, not you work toward to be accepted by God because you went to church, you gave some money or you did some good work, you helped the poor or sent some money to missions in Africa or help the orphans. No, no, no, no. In the kingdom you start with accepted.
You are God's beloved son and daughter in whom he is well pleased.
That's where you start. That is the freedom God is offering to us in his kingdom. But the world told us you had to do this. You had to earn this grade. You had to be number one to be accepted, to create that identity. But in God's kingdom, you start being accepted. That's why the Ephesians, chapter one, verse one to three, it said he is accepted and chosen as in him before the foundation of the world.
You have arrived on this earth being accepted by God. That's why he sent you here. That's a liberating word for somebody out there.
You arrived here accepted regardless of what you did, did not do, could not do none of those things.
You have been sent here for such a time as this because it was approved by heaven.
That's why you're here.
That is the starting point, not the destination.
Your starting point is you're accepted, you are loved, you're appreciated.
That's where you start God's kingdom. That's where your true identity starts. Otherwise, we will continue this performance circle. We perform more. We perform more because there's more to do. There's always more to do. And you feel never good enough, never did enough.
That's what happens to religious people. They've never feel they did enough spiritual things to make God happy so they can rest.
But the good news is you start resting.
[00:47:52] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:47:53] Speaker B: Yes, doctor.
[00:47:54] Speaker A: That. That lie is a trap. And it's bonded.
And the word that Abraham just brought you will set you free from that bondage. Because it's the truth. It is the truth. We gotta believe it. We gotta walk in it. Abraham. Here's another. When I read this, another trap of bondage. And I don't want people to take this the wrong way that are in the education system. But in chapter two, it says you may be told that you need to go to school to get an education. And you need to get an education to find a good job. And you need a nice job to make some money. And you need the money so you can live and pay for things.
This is the conditioning most of us grew up with.
But that is a big lie.
That's what you wrote. Can you explain that a little bit? Because obviously I went to school, I got educated. And so this isn't about education's good or bad. There's a mindset here, a trap that you could walk into when you believe that, that what I just wrote is the system. You have to follow this route.
So talk a little bit about that.
[00:49:00] Speaker B: We're all conditioned like that. We were born into this chicken coops, whatever chicken coops we were born into. We were told you need to go to school to get an education so that you can get a job, so you can make some money, so you can make a living. There's nothing wrong with it if that education that you received was helpful in fulfilling the assignment God sent you to this earth for.
Don't forfeit your assignment by getting stuck in the system.
That's what it means Once you discover your identity and your assignment. That's what we do in our Kingdom university. This book, Dr. Ben Discovering Purpose, Calling and Gifts.
Once you discover your identity and your purpose and your calling, you might need an education.
That's why the Kingdom education is so important and different from this world's education. Because this world system, that's what you just read from that book. We were told we have been programmed.
Unless you go to school, get a job, make some money. No, no, no, no. That is the wrong paradigm.
The right paradigm is lay the foundation, right first.
Lay the foundation of identity, purpose and assignment first.
Then you decide which direction you are going to go, which route you are going to travel. Like everyone did in the Bible, you start being loved by your heavenly Father, not working toward his love, not working toward being accepted like Jesus before he started his ministry. What did the Father say at his baptism? This is my beloved Son in whom I am. He hasn't done any miracles. He hasn't cast out any demons, preached any message.
His foundation was on right identity, sonship.
And that's where you and I supposed to start when we started our walk, this Christian life from that foundation. That's where Adam started.
What did Adam do to be accepted, loved by God, to receive the garden, to receive all the blessings? Nothing. It came from his Father to his Son In Genesis chapter 1, verse 28 says God blessed them. Why did he bless them? What did Adam do to receive that blessing? Did he sing any songs? Did he give any money? Did he do any good works? Nothing?
It is the nature of God to bless his children coming into that right alignment. If this podcast done something good to you, I pray that would be this, that you come into right alignment with God, your heavenly Father, and restore that foundation of your life, of your identity, of your purpose. That's where these tools are here, these books. Another one is God's original design. This is on identity. You know, we read about this wonderful parable in Luke chapter 15, Dr. Ben, that we call it the prodigal Son.
I think we might have talked about this. Jesus said a certain Father had Two sons.
What happened to these two sons? This father was the most perfect father we could ever have.
He hasn't said or done anything evil toward these two sons. But both of them had a wrong perception about their father. One of them decided to run away.
One of them worked himself to death. Actually, not to death. Means he was caught into this performance that we were talking about.
He thought, I'm going to perform so well.
Keep all the commandments. That's what he said to the father. I never disobeyed you.
All these years I've been serving you faithfully. Never disobeyed, not even one of your commandments. But you never blessed me. You did not give me the fatted calf to enjoy with my friends.
What went wrong with these two sons?
These two sons represent the entire human race.
One group run away from God. Why? Because of the wrong perception. The other group get stuck in this performance mode.
They feel like they never did enough to please God, to make God happy, to feel deserved, that they deserve something now from God. Both were equally wrong.
And now there was a. I would finish it. I think we are reaching our closing point here.
The interesting truth is there is a third son in that story that we don't recognize.
Most people, they don't know about. The third son in that story of the prodigal Son In Luke chapter 15, the third son is the son of God. Who is telling this story, Jesus Christ, who is the perfect example of a son in the Father's house or in God's kingdom.
He is the prototype that we need to follow.
He is the example. In him was life.
And that life supposed to be the blueprint for us because the first Adam messed it up. So God has to send the last Adam to show us. What does it mean to live as a son in the Father's kingdom.
That is the purpose of that story.
Now the question is, which category of sons do we belong?
Do we belong our children, our neighbors? In the category who ran away from God, who is living out the jolly life out there? You know, they're thinking they're having the party and enjoying.
But in the deep down in their hearts, they're longing for a father.
They know their relationship with God or their earthly father is not right. They are looking for this.
And the other group is stuck in this performance board. They are the religious group that we see all around churches. They're stuck in this performance board. They're always trying to be good, trying to do more for God or trying to help somebody. The bottom line is they're Trying to earn the acceptance from God. But I want to tell you the good news. You were already accepted to begin with.
In Jesus name, amen.
[00:56:06] Speaker A: And guys, this is the peace.
When we talk about four pillars, nutrition, hydration, movement, peace.
Think of this piece, A true peace. Not stress management, not circumstantial. Things are in order. And I'm happy and okay, this is a deeper. It's your core at that quantum level, subatomic level for that mitochondria that I said, if you want to produce a toxic human being, feed them seed oils and sifted grain and high fructose corn syrup.
Well, you can feed all the perfect organic God food you want. But if it's going into a mitochondria that's resonating, think of a tuning fork. It's out of tune when that mitochondria is resonating at a different frequency. The frequency of the first sun performance or the frequency of the other son not. Not seeing his father clearly, or searching and searching and looking. And there's a. There is a connection to the physical realm.
True contentment, true ease, peace.
It only comes when this identity thing, you've got to see God clearly, see yourself clearly. Rest in that. Jesus came to show us exactly the way, the way to see, the way to be, the way to interact from that place of being, knowing who we are, being in communion with our Father, getting our marching orders from our Father, getting our daily instruction, our daily bread, our daily everything.
Abiding in the vine. Life flows from that vine. But we got to abide. Moment by moment, we've got to abide, stay connected, Holy Spirit, connection.
And he'll show you in the moment what you need to say or not say, what you need to do or not do. But it's coming from this place of true identity, true peace, resonating like a perfectly tuned tuning fork. You're tuned in to the truth. Abraham said at the beginning of the podcast, see things from God's point of view.
And that's what we have to do. But we got to clear these goggles, clear these lenses, these heart beliefs, it's our heart beliefs that are really programming our mitochondria through our autonomic nervous system, our autopilot nervous system that runs your hormones, runs your gut, runs your cardiac, cardiovascular, runs your immune system, that all those systems are on autopilot and you don't consciously control that. There's part of you that is consciously controlled. That's like my bicep, my tongue, my mouth, these muscles, they don't move till I tell them to. But your autopilot, that's just running in the background. I'm not telling my heart muscle to squeeze every second. That's autopilot. That autopilot system is programmed by your heart beliefs.
That's why this is so important, because you will redline your RPMs on. On your speedometer. It'll just redline. If you never shift gears, you stay in first gear out on the highway at 70 miles an hour, even though you put in all the high octane organic gasoline and the fuel filter and the best spark plugs and you've done all your routine maintenance, but you don't shift gears, you're still going to burn that engine. And that's what happens to your mitochondria when you don't see God himself clearly. You have. You're in a state of discontentment, dis ease. And that mitochondria just cannot function like it's supposed to.
So it all goes together, body, soul and spirit. We got to steward all of them. And this book is a great place to gather some more knowledge. Principles of self governance, Abraham, John's book, what Happened to God, and all the other books Abraham mentioned. And throughout this book, principles of self governance. There's all kinds of other references to other books in here. They're very, very beneficial. Last thing I'll say, and then I'll give you the last word, Abraham. But for the listeners, I want to encourage you. Obviously I love podcasts because I do one and I listen to other people's podcasts and I listen to some YouTubes and there's lots of great teachers. But ultimately this is all head knowledge until God writes a truth on your heart.
Just like I said my great, great, great, great, great, great granddad said. And actually God told David that too. Go ahead and build that temple if you want, but a descendant of yours is going to come build a spiritual house made of living stones, and I'm going to write my truth on their hearts. So let Holy Spirit truth be written on your heart by your father who loves you.
Turn the podcast off, put the books down, get quiet, get all these distractions turned off. Go on a walk in nature and talk to your father and let him write truth on your heart. Have a conversation with him.
That's where change really and transformation happens. It's a personal journey with Holy Spirit. So I love all these books and I love podcasts, but ultimately we've got to have relationship. And I think that was the last quote I was going to say from the Book. A person needs religion until they discover relationship with God, the kingdom and true identity.
There you go, Abraham. I'll give you the last word.
[01:01:18] Speaker B: That's where we are. All that happened in our life until now are to bring us to a place, that place that you just mentioned, to God's kingdom and to our true identity. That is the season. Because all this fake self, fake stuff that you have built is falling apart. And it will continue to fall apart. But don't panic when that happens. That's the word of the Lord for you. Don't panic. May the Holy Spirit make what you're hearing through this podcast mine previous ones. Become a revelation in your spirit, man, not in your head knowledge, but become a revelation and then it become a reality in your life.
And that's what we. Dr. Ben, we launched this Genesis 1:26 movement for children. We are preparing tools and curriculums and lessons and music and animated videos for children about their identity, about their purpose and their assignment.
So we are in the middle of that project. It's been making a big difference because most of us are now doing the reconstruct or the deconstruct.
But if we raise up a child in the way they should go, like the Bible says, then when they get old, they will not depart from it. So by God's grace, we have been preparing this. We launched this in different schools in Africa, in Mozambique, in South Africa, in Zambia.
These children are being transformed because when they hear who they are and why God put them on this earth, all of a sudden light comes on and we are receiving great testimonies. If any of our viewers wants to help with us in any of those projects, I would greatly appreciate it. And all these books that I mentioned available on Amazon or on our website, thank you so much. And may the Lord bless you. But finally, this is the word I want to leave with. You know that you are accepted, you are loved, and you're appreciated by your heavenly Father. That is the starting point.
Stop working toward it.
That's where you have arrived. That's where you started.
So rewire and go back to that point of origin in him, with him and start that life of freedom in Jesus. Name God bless you.
[01:04:00] Speaker A: Amen. Thank you, Abraham, so much. What's your website where people can find all these things?
[01:04:06] Speaker B: The kingdom network.org the kingdom network.org awesome books and materials are there.
[01:04:16] Speaker A: The kingdom network.org Guys, go check that out. Go to our website veritas wellnessmember.com and go the podcast page and type in Abraham and you'll see all the podcasts I've done with Abraham, too, so.
All right, guys, Everything that can be shaken will be shaken, is being shaken in the earth right now. That's what's going on, guys, but also in us. If it's not a God, it's being shaken. That's at first. Fake self, false identity, all those lies, they're coming off. If you're seeking the kingdom first, this is what you're experiencing right now. We're all experiencing it. So it's good. It's from God. So let's keep walking in the truth. We'll see you next week. Thank you again, Abraham, for joining us. We'll have to have you back again.
All right. Thank you. All right, everybody, Dr. Ben Edwards, we'll see you next week. You're the cure. Bye. Bye.
