Never Be Sick Again | Chad Gonzales

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey everybody. Welcome to another episode of youf're the cure. I'm Dr. Ben Edwards. We've got a show today. I can already tell you guys it's gonna be some meat. I had one of my friends the other day talk to me and say, man, what y' all are putting out, you got chew on this stuff. And it's true, you do have to chew on it. Meat is got to be chewed. So don't just try to swallow this without chewing on it. Some of you may just want to sp. Vomit it out. Don't do that either. Chew on this thing. You know, we've been. I say we me, but I get to talk to a lot of people. Guys just in the position I'm in. I got a lot of one on one discussions with people here in West Texas, the Bible Belt. And I mean it's got. I'm just totally convinced. I mean, I entered the narrow gate when I was 11 years old. And then I sat down on that first, first rock on the narrow path. Sat down in that first step and grabbed my bottle of milk and just been sucking on milk for 30 something years, being knocked to and fro, not understanding the true full gospel that Jesus was preaching. The gospel of the kingdom. Didn't even know what that meant. I did not know the difference between the spirit and the soul. Of course I knew the body, that's easy, the flesh. But body, soul, spirit. We've had Andrew Wommack on talking about that and I highly recommend his book. But I didn't know about that. I didn't know about authority. I didn't know about God given dominion and authority over the earth to Adam and Eve, to mankind. Didn't have an understanding of that. I didn't have an understanding of all the different covenants. You know, we had Chip Brogdon on a while back talking about the five covenants. I sure didn't understand the depths of the covenant we're in now. The New covenant and the New man, New creature in Christ. See it in heavenly places. Go back and listen. Chris Blackaby from a couple months ago. All this identity stuff. Jamie Winship's been on three times. The Orphan Spirit versus Sonship. Didn't have a clue about it. That's Leif Hetland. You can listen to that interview. Dr. Robin Perry Braun, her book on sonship. Those are two awesome interviews. I'm just saying, guys, there's been so much. So three years ago when God said, you're out of order, flip it, meaning the four pillars. We were so focused on nutrition, diet, diet, diet, exercise, hydration. And you can get a lot done with that. Obviously, 10 years of 20,000 patients and testimonies out the wazoo. Stuff gets better. Way better. Sometimes all the way gone and done. But what we saw, our testimony is people would come back and say, wait a minute, I'm still eating good and moving good and hydrating good. But. And it was chronic stress. It was at peace pillar. And so, you know, stress management, everyone understands stress is no good. And then we do stress management stuff. But. So three years ago, starting this journey and started with Curry Blake saying. Or introducing me to John G. Lake. Who, guys, if y' all haven't heard or if you're a new listener real quick, John G. Lake, in the early 1900s, Spokane, Washington, shut down a whole hospital, emptied it out, got an honorary doctorate. But the way he was understanding the revelation he had on healing for the body of Christ. And Curry Blake was teaching on this divine healing thing, and it's bought and paid for by his stripes. All this stuff, all these scriptures, I'd never seen it. So then I had to study the Hebrew and the Greek and what those words really mean in those verses in the context of all that. And anyways, but Curry said something in there. He loves teaching divine healing, but he said, I actually love teaching more than anything. This series he calls the New Man. So of course, I went and listened to that and boom, that was it. The new man, new creation. And Jamie Winship comes along about true identity and Ray Sturtevant, the big lie and beating the devil with his own stick. But, guys, if you've been following us the last three years of this transformation, it's a renewing of the mind. It's got to happen. So we're going to talk about some stuff today, and it'll be some knowledge that maybe you don't understand or don't have a deeper. And I'm going to ask you to consider that this knowledge. Chew on it. Yes. But ultimately, ask the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth, because you can listen to podcasts all day long. You can read our guest book. Here it is. Never Be Sick Again. What a title. Chad Gonzalez is our guest today. I'm so excited about this book. But, guys, I'm going to say the book. I bet Chad would say the same thing. The book, these podcasts, you can listen to a hundred podcasts. That's information going in your ears, to your intellect, to your brain. But you've got to ask the Holy Spirit to write this truth on your Heart. That's what God told David when David said, I want to build you a house, a temple. And God said, no, don't do that. There's no house that could contain me. And eventually, long story short, obviously David built that temple, but God told him, there's going to be a descendant of yours going to build a spiritual house made of living stones. That's us. And I'm going to write my truth on their heart. That is what has to happen for transformation. So we're going to go over a lot of knowledge, a lot of verses, a lot of stuff. And please just try to receive and then go ask the Holy Spirit to show you. If something doesn't sit right, ask him to show you. It's not believe Dr. Ben or Chad Gonzalez. But guys, there is more. I'm just saying. The Enemy is on a full court press right now. Brain computer interface AI what they're trying to do on this, what Jamie Winship called the Empire versus the Kingdom. The Empire is all about fear and division and they're going to brain computer interface and their whole goal is you're not going to be able to have an autonomous thought anymore. One the Kingdom, it's connection, worldview, it's based in love and it's based in the Holy Spirit leading you into all truth and communion with your spirit. We've got to develop this hearing, listening, obeying, and these deeper revelations will come into your heart. So it's this in the game, guys. This is a real deal. Not out of fear. I'm not saying that all, but I'm just saying all the creation's crying out for the sons of God to rise up, mature and be who we're supposed to be, but we don't even know who that is. So, Chad Gonzalez, welcome to the show. I'm about to start preaching, but what you wrote in this book, super powerful because honestly, it ties so much together on identity. That audience has been tracking on identity for the better part of a year since I had Jamie Winship on here. But the divine healing portion of this and the, the stewardship, what we call stewardship, the diet, eating processed junk. And what about medications? And what about going to the doctor? I mean, you cover it so well in this book. And guys, it's not that big of. I mean, it's not that thick. I mean, it's maybe 200 pages. But he. Chad covers so much stuff. I'm just. Chad, thank you for the book, for your work and for your time that you're giving us today. I know you're a busy man. But for my audience, I know they'll be blessed today to hear how you've come to this conclusion and what you've put in this book. Just, it's foundational, I believe, for where the body of Christ needs to go to represent God here in the earth more accurately than he's been represented in the past. So thank you for coming on the show. [00:07:22] Speaker B: Oh, man, I'm honored to be here. I'm excited. I love this stuff. [00:07:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I can tell. I can tell from the book for sure. Well, you were just saying before I hit records because I was appreciative of the last chapter in your book on food and medication and going to the doctor. And, you know, I'm a doctor. I write a prescription almost every day, it seems like. So it's so hard. We're either or kind of mindset this, this is right or that's wrong kind of thing. So I maybe want to start there. Number one, you told me you insisted with your publisher that you want to put something in there about food, you know, because obviously the book's about healing and never be sick again. And we have a part to play in the physical realm. And, you know, a lot of people are on medication. So maybe talk about that piece, your take on that, why you insisted that be in the book. But then we'll of course flip into the deeper things, too. [00:08:16] Speaker B: Well, the reason I insisted, I mean, it was. That was a make or break thing for me because there's the spiritual truth, which we're all still growing in revelation understanding of. But you can know about the power of your words. You can know about the authority of the believer. You can know all this type of stuff. But if you're not taking care of the temple, you can't be shoving your mouth full of donuts and McDonald's and all kind of other junk and then trying to take authority over diabetes and. And heart disease and all this other type of stuff. We still have responsibility to take care of our temple. And it's an issue that it's odd because I travel all over the place, a lot of international stuff, and things are just different in America, where it gets really touchy when you start talking about people's food and their diet. And it's because I think our society has started making excuses for people as far as the situations that people are in and not wanting to get down to one of the actual root causes. And it's the foods that we eat. You go overseas and there's so many of the foods that we have here in America that are outlawed, illegal, especially in the UK and the European Union, they just don't allow the stuff there. It's a huge difference. When you go over there and go over here, over there, you can actually read the ingredients and understand it, you know, the foods and. But anyway, that was, that was a big deal for me because I think that, you know, if we're going to preach the whole truth, that we need to preach the spiritual side and we also need to preach the practical thing. And a lot of people just don't. A lot of churches, a lot of ministries don't want to touch the natural side of it because there's the. There's this. This fear that I might lose people, I might lose money, you know, this and that, because it's a touchy thing and I get it. And that's why I was very, very intentional in the way that we worded things, wrote things, because I get it's a touchy thing. But at some point we have to start addressing, you know, those things within the church, you know. [00:10:31] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. And I'm. I mean, my audience knows for sure. I'm 100% there. Been preaching that for years now, over a decade, and, and want to say on the flip side there, people can obviously elevate, diet and work out and all the physical to be their savior, their God. And kind of like I mentioned in the intro, you know, that's what got our attention is weight. This underlying chronic stress is killing people. But what's the root of that? It's heart beliefs. And so that's where the Lord's really taken us the last three years, getting down these heart beliefs. But I definitely appreciate that part of the book for sure, and just want to encourage the audience, especially if you're new and you don't understand the processed food thing. I mean, it's such in the spotlight right now with Bobby Kennedy and Maha and all that it's getting the spotlight. But, you know, honestly, just as touchy is the main part of the book, I would say, because when, when you. I mean, as I started reading scripture, like, man, I just don't see this. I mean, I see what the scripture says, but I don't see it in my life and in my family, friends, patients, community at large, the church and outside the all. I mean, how could this be? Because I'm not seeing it. And when Curry Blake said, do not read scripture and judge scripture and interpret scripture through the lens of your life experience, that was a game changer for me. So guys, I want encourage the audience to take that advice too, because what we're about to get into now, you may say, wait a minute, I don't see that happening. And in fact, I prayed for somebody to be well and this person died. And I want to be sensitive to that. I don't. There's no condemnation. I'm not, you know, I don't want to come across insensitive or guys, we got to get together, but kind in a way because there's an enemy. Steal, kill and destroy through deception. So I feel like this ministry of reconciliation, so much is being revealed in the earth right now that's corrupt. That wasn't what we thought it was. Almost every patient I see now comes in with, in despair. If I thought our country was a certain way and it's not. I mean, just, we don't need to get into all that. But I'm just saying, guys, it is time for the truth, which is the, the truth from the kingdom of God to be revealed deeper and deeper and deeper. So Chad, maybe start with kind of where you came from into these deeper truths we're going to get to. Which again, guys, the title of the book, never be sick Again. Bold statement. Let's kind of back into that sort of. How did you get to this point of writing this book? You know, I know that's a big story, but whatever you can squeeze into in an hour. [00:13:11] Speaker B: The short version is, I grew up in church, very, very blessed, had a great, very blessed to grow up in a great Christian home. We went to a really good, solid Bible believing, spirit filled, you know, church and heard some great truths. But I'm a very analytical thinker. I'm very black and white in my viewing of life. And so for me, when I'm hearing all these things throughout my childhood, teenage years, young adult, but I'm not seeing any proof or results. Then I start questioning. I want to see some proof. And so it led me on a journey of just started questioning if God was even real. Literally questioning if he's even real. And that's a whole story in itself. But anyway, got my life back together. I found out God was real, just had the supernatural experience with him. And it just kind of set me on this journey of I want to know this God that I've heard about my whole life. I don't want to just. I don't want to just read the scriptures and hear about Him. I want, I want to have some experiences of my own. And so I went to Bible school and even while I Was in Bible school. Great, great school. But never really saw anything or really experienced anything. Heard a lot of great truths and came out very knowledgeable about scripture, but just didn't see a lot of things. And so when we went to start our very first church, we went very much with the intention of either we're going to see miracles or we're going home. Because we were in Texas. There was lots of great churches that was there in the city, but that was the. The. That was the plan. I didn't want to be just another church on. On the corner. And so we. It was our second month, and we had a woman that was completely blind, completely blind. And she walked out seeing, and all of her eyesight was restored. And so that'll get your attention. And as a startup church, you know, and again, I was. I was 29 years old. The only thing I'd ever done in church was play the drums. All my family, we were musicians and stuff. And I mean, I've never been the church janitor, nothing like. And so I'm just doing church. Like, I've grown up seeing church. We're figuring this thing out. And then the very next month, there was a little boy. He was 4 years old, and he had Hodgkin's. And he had three tumors on top of his head. You could see them. One was about the size of a quarter. The other two tumors are about the size of like a dime. And two of those tumors, they dissolved completely away during the service. The quarter size one went down about the size of a pea. And by the next morning, it was completely gone. And they took him to the doctor. He had already had a scheduled exam coming up. And when they took him to the exam, they ran all the tests and scans and couldn't find any more cancer in his body. He was completely healed. And so we had those two things happen within our first three months, and that'll light a fire on the inside of you. And then over the next two years, we had over 20 documented cases of cancer that were healed. We were seeing all kinds of just wild stuff happening just on a regular Sunday morning. And so that started fueling the fire, and we started experiencing the God of the Bible. And so it set me on this journey over the last 20 some odd years now, and that I very much. I'm very much one of these type of people. I want to know how things work, you know, and so I've probably got more questions now than what I did 20 years ago. Over 20 years ago, when we started full time Ministry. And I mean, we just, we've seen so many wonderful, wonderful things. But then, you know, I'll be the first to admit I haven't seen a result every single time. And I take it extremely personal because I got a little bit different take on it, but I take it very, very personal. And the reason I take it personal is because when I look at scripture and like you mentioned about what Curry Blake said, it's absolutely true. We should never interpret scripture through the lens of our own experiences. For me, I interpret scripture through the lens of Jesus being the standard. And so when I look at him as a standard for a man filled with God, united with God, one with God, he's a standard for the child of God. And I look at his life and what was available to him and what he walked in and what he experienced. Never do I come up with this thing of, well, you know, I pray for this person, they didn't get healed, or, you know, this person was a good Christian and they didn't get healed. So now I'm going to question all my beliefs. Now look at Jesus. And every single person that came to Jesus, they walked away healed. And Jesus didn't make excuses for anything. He always got results. But there's a reason he always got results. And it wasn't this other excuse of, well, Jesus, he was God. That's why. No, Jesus understood who he was. And you see, with Jesus, you see constant statements and this is what changed my life, you see these constant statements about his union with the Father. And so, you know, when we got started in ministry and we're seeing all these things take place, I was preaching healing from the standpoint that most people preach healing in the Spirit filled, charismatic world. From the standpoint it's God's will that you're healed, you know, talking, preaching on the power of God, that all things are possible. You know, Jesus already paid the price. Like I'm using those typical healing scriptures of 1st Peter 2, 24 Isaiah 53, 4 and 5, I'm going down that route. But I still wasn't satisfied with the results that I was seeing. And there were some things that I was starting to kind of question as far as things I've been taught. And so what changed my life and changed the trajectory for us as far as ministry was I basically made the decision, I'm going to take everything I've been taught. I'm just going to put it on the shelf, not getting rid of it, I'm just putting it on the shelf and I'm going to go back through my Bible. And I'm going to go back and I'm going to look at what Jesus did. What did he say? What did he do? What's he thinking? And I went to the Book of John and for years I basically just read the Book of John over and over and over and over again. And I started seeing this pattern, these statements that Jesus making about the Father. He's one with me, I'm one with him. It's the Father on the inside of me that's doing the works. The Father who sent me, he's never left me, he's always with me. I only do what I see. I only say what I hear. You see this union, this fellowship. And then in John 17, the supernatural prophetic prayer that Jesus prays in the upper room before he goes to the garden of Gethsemane. His prayer is, father, I pray, talking about us. He said, all those who will believe in me through the word that's preached, I pray that they would be one, just as you and I are one, that they would be made perfect in one. And this is his prayer. And when I saw that, I was like, okay, the union that Jesus had with the Father, that was what he came so I could have too. And when I saw that I shared in that very same unit, put me in that very same position as a son, then that's what blew the doors wide open, that I understood that because of my position, that gives me the same possessions, when I have the same position as him, I have the same possessions as him and it gives me the same purpose. And so that's when things really, we started seeing the results starting to ramp up. And so when I teach on healing, really, and I mean the book is just a great example of it. When I teach on healing, really, I'm teaching on identity and healing is just a byproduct of it. And so that book, never Be Sick Again, obviously bold title and it's obviously about healing, but really truly it's about identity. And I'm so glad that people have been picking that up and seeing that and that it's so much more than healing in that book. And so in reality, that book is kind of a two edged sword. It was the healing piece to grab people's attention. But as you begin to read it, I've told people, and I say this very humbly, you're not going to find, at least at this point, as far as what we've seen, you're not going to find another healing book similar to it because there's no steps, no keys, no one, two, threes. There's nothing in there. Being told, you need to do this, you need to do that to get your healing. It's just telling you who you are and getting your focus off of you. Getting your focus off of your confession, getting your focus off of your faith and getting our focus back to the simplicity of Jesus and understanding who we are in him. And as a result, then that's, that's where things begin to change. [00:22:20] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. You nailed it on the head. That's what attracted me so much because it's exactly where as I started seeking, asking the Lord three, four years ago, what's a doctor in the kingdom look like? What's he supposed to be doing? And that's, you know, obviously healing and divine healing and by your stripes and all that. But quickly the Lord took us to the identity thing. So we've been pretty camped out there. And you've kind of put it all together. But let's talk about that for a minute. Maybe you can dig a little deeper on, you know, just trying to think about what the audience might be thinking. Of course, we have a wide spectrum from non believers to believers and all different denominations, all that stuff. But one, one common thing, they, they, they're wanting to be well because we're, we're a clinic, we're a doctor. They want to be well. But talk some about Jesus is a man because, you know, a lot of denominations or upbringing in church would think nudge. I mean, Jesus is Jesus. Which, not diminishing who Jesus was at all, but this idea that he had to come as a man and did come as a man wasn't acting as God. And almost as an example of now this is how you're supposed to be, kind of, you know, flesh that out a little more him walking around as a man. [00:23:41] Speaker B: So actually we just did a book just put out a couple months ago called Jesus is the Standard. It's a real quick read, but I would, I would encourage people to check it out because it's, it's an eye opener to help us understand these things. But basically it's this is that, you know, when it comes to the miracles, when it comes to the healings and stuff like that, people, we want to look at Jesus and we see the marvelous things that he did on the earth, but then we want to put him in a category of he did this because he was God and he didn't do this because he was God. And just that statement right there gets you in Trouble with people. But it's because we just haven't stuck with scripture. So Scripture is really clear. We're not taken away from the fact that Jesus is God, but he did not do life on this earth as God because it's just the legalities of redemption. If Jesus did life as God, we do not have salvation. It's just not possible. Jesus had to do life exactly like us. Essentially, Jesus is doing life with the anointing of the first Adam. He's operating under the old covenant. He has to fulfill this thing as a man. So scripturally, we've got lots of scripture for it. So first of all, we got Philippians chapter 2. If you look at verses 5 and 6, and we find out that Jesus, you know, he humbled himself, he came into life as a man, basically laid aside all of these, these godlike abilities, the deity side to a degree, left that side and did life as a man. In Hebrews, Hebrews is really clear on this. Hebrews chapter two, it tells us that Jesus, he partook of flesh and blood. So he had a body just like us. He's doing life in a body like when he walked on the water, he did it in a body like ours. Everything he did, he did in a body like ours. And you see the humanity side in Jesus life and ministry too, as far as his physical body. Like you see when Jesus was at the well with the Samaritan woman. In John chapter four, I love the Holy Spirit gives us this because it says he sits down, he's tired, he's weary, he's thirsty, he's hot. Okay, that's a man and a man's body. He's tired. He said, give me some water. I'm thirsty. You know, you see, he. He partook of flesh and blood. We see in Hebrews chapter two, it says that he. He was tempted in every single way, just like us. But James chapter one says that God cannot be tempted. But we know that Jesus certainly was tempted. We know he was tempted at least three times in the wilderness by Satan. But we know he was tempted many more times than that. I mean, we see he was tempted in the garden of Gethsemane to give up. He usually could have just decided, nope, I'm not going to do this anymore. So you see, Jesus was tempted like us. He had a body like us. This is one that's an eye opener for people. But simply this, Jesus didn't know everything. He was not omniscient like God. The Bible says In John chapter 5, Jesus makes a statement in verse 19, 20, 21 in there he said the Father loves the Son and shows him all the things that he does. And he's going to show him even greater things than these, just so you would marvel. So even out of Jesus own mouth, he's letting us know he doesn't know everything. And the Father's showing him things he's never seen before, never understood before. The Bible also tells us in Luke chapter two, says the child Jesus, he grew not only in stature, he not only got bigger physically, he also grew in wisdom. Well, God doesn't grow in wisdom. He is wisdom. I mean, we could go down this little rabbit trail for a while. Like you got Acts 10:38, how God anointed Jesus Christ of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and power. Well, God doesn't need to be anointed, but a man does. You know, like we've got all those things. And so the moment that we understand that Jesus is doing life as a man, it doesn't take away from his deity, it doesn't take away from the fact that he is God. But I mean, even Paul tells Timothy in regards to Jesus after the resurrection, the man Christ Jesus in heaven like this will get your brain turning. But think about this. There is a man in the Trinity, he's still a man. He's God, he's 100% God, but he's also 100% man. Like this is something that just. I've been thinking about this for a while and it just, it made me love him even more. When you realize that when Jesus made the decision to come humble himself and come to this earth as a man, it was not a 33 year plan, it was for eternity. That for eternity he would take on man. That's why when we get to heaven, you see him, he's still going to have the scars. He's got his immortal body just like we'll have, but he's still a man. And so anyway, so when you take the scripture, you go through the gospels and you see Jesus doing lies like me, because he had to. He had to do life like us in every single way so that he could be the perfect lamb, the sacrificial lamb for our redemption. It's also why the Bible says he's our great high priest, because he went through it like we did. Like there's so many things with it. But when you see Jesus doing life like me, that's what blows open the doors. It knocks down all the religious excuses. Because if I'm seeing Jesus do life as God, I'M certainly going to worship him and honor him. But when I see him doing life like me, it opens up the doors for me to do life like him. You know, when Jesus said John 14:12, Whoever believes in me would do the very same works for how would I do the very same works when I am in a lesser position with him? And if I've got lesser stuff, I can't do what he did. And even greater if I don't have at least the very same position, the very same possessions. And so it's something that. [00:29:48] Speaker A: It'S just. [00:29:49] Speaker B: Religion, but people, we got to get past that point and understand, see him doing life like me and then it shows me that he's the standard of what's available. And so this is where, you know, when it comes to the healing piece, you start talking about these things, never be sick again, that healing is the will of God and people. I mean, it's almost guaranteed people are going to go, well, what about Job, you know, or what about Paul and his supposed thorn? Well, here's my deal. Job didn't die on the cross for me. Paul didn't die on the cross for me. Nobody that you, you find Moses, Joshua, Elijah, Elisha, Peter, James, none of these people died on the cross for me. None of these people are my standard. Jesus is my standard. I don't care if it's somebody in the Bible or Aunt Susie or you know, Nana Pawpaw that was a great Christian, believed God and they didn't get healed. I mean, I've got a great amount of compassion for anybody that's, that's, you know, lost a loved one. I've been through that. But I cannot look at someone else's experiences to tell me what's available for me in Christ. There's only one person I can look to and that's Jesus. There's lots of people out here that are great examples that we can follow, but none of them are perfect except for Jesus. And so when I look at him as a standard, all the excuses go away. And then I discover what's truly available for me and, and then I can go after it. [00:31:18] Speaker A: Hey everybody, quick break from the show. I've got something really special to share with you. I'm so excited to introduce you're the Cure, a self paced nine module online video program we've been prayerfully and passionately building here at Veritas. And this isn't just another wellness program. It's a movement of truth, transformation and hope. And I truly believe it has the power to change your life. It's designed to help you uncover the root causes of what you're facing and walk in true healing. I'll be guiding you along with other members of the Veritas team, as we return to God's original design for your health. Through simple, powerful tools focused on nutrition, hydration, movement, and peace, you'll gain clarity, confidence, and lasting transformation. The journey is yours to take, because the truth is, you are the cure. Head over to veritas wellnessmember.com to get access today. Become a Veritas Wellness member now and get $100 off the program. Guys, I'm just so excited about this. After 20 years of practice practicing medicine, it's boiled down into this. This is the core of what you need to truly be well. So we'll see you in the program. And, guys, I just want to encourage y' all that that reformation that started however many hundreds of years ago, Martin Luther and Calvin and even the. I got to know more of the Mennonite story and the Anabaptist and Amish and all that through the measles thing, you know, a lot of stuff. But. And you can keep going. And David, Wes or Wesley, the Methodist, you know, Zuzu street and the charismatic, all these things. It's still going, guys. It wasn't just this one level of, aha, here's some new understanding. There's more, there's more. And we're going more. And we've got to. We're gonna. I mean, it's so awesome. Chad, I want to keep going into the possession part. Could you touch on a bit on sovereignty? It's a hot topic, and I've had other guests on to talk about it, but it. It goes with what you're saying, coming as a man and the legal right and to be the. The lamb and to. For redemption, but something about legal and authority and that original creation, you know, Adam in the garden and dominion and rule, you know, God. God's in charge, but not in control. Just that whole thing of, like, God can't break his word once he speaks something, that's it. Now. It's got to be fulfilled a certain way. So there's this legal portion to it, you know, with Jesus having to come to fulfill that thing. But can you touch on that piece a little bit on man's authority in the earth and dominion from Genesis and the whole sovereignty, control versus in charge? [00:34:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's. That's the piece that we forget. Like, God is very much a God of justice. He's a God of Legality in, in that sense. And that would, that would break down a lot of denominational walls if we would just go and look at some of those things that were established in the very, very beginning in the garden. And we see it, you know, the way God lays some things out in the old covenant. But yeah, the authority piece. I mean, you see, and we go back to the very beginning in Genesis chapter one, where God gave dominion to man over the earth. And I call that, you know, Genesis chapter 128, I call that the original great commission, because really that's what it was, is that God told, told man. He said, I, I give you dominion over all the earth. And he said, you know, go out and, and increase and multiply advance this thing. And then in Genesis chapter three, you see that Adam and Eve, they basically sell off their authority. They give it to Satan. And where we see the great biblical truth in this is when Satan is tempting Jesus and he takes Jesus up and he puts him on the mountain. He says he has him look out over all of the nations and kingdoms. And he very blatantly says this. He said, I'll give you all of these things that's been delivered unto me. I'll give it to you if you'll bow down and worship me. Now, it's not a real temptation if it's not possible, you know. And so you see right there, Satan says it out of his own mouth. These things were delivered to me. Okay, well, how was it delivered to him? How did he get that authority? It came from one man, Adam. And so we see that right there that yes, God is sovereign, but obviously wasn't in control of everything because Satan is saying right there, I've got authority over all this, you know. So is God and Satan working together as business partners? No, I mean, it's just scripture. And. But then Jesus, you know, Jesus got some things back for us. But that's where we see that there's certain things in our lives that if God is going to move, he's going to move through us. And it requires our obedience, it requires our working together. Paul talks about this, that we're co laborers together with God. And so that's where again, we have to understand our position so that we can understand our possessions. But you know, you can get a ditch on one side or the other with all kinds of this stuff. I mean, when it comes to understanding our authority and confession and the power of our words, I mean, I know people and I'm not saying I'm perfect by any means. I'M still very much a work in progress. But, I mean, I've watched it where you have groups that know lots of scripture about our words and confession stuff, but basically turned it into a job and got very legalistic about it. And for me, it still comes back to our union with Jesus, our fellowship, our abiding, our connection with him. Because even in the area of teaching of faith, you can get into a ditch where faith turns into a formula and there's no fellowship there. It's almost like God isn't involved at all. It's just about me and my faith. But again, when you go back and you look at Jesus, faith was a byproduct. Healing is a byproduct. All these things are a byproduct of our connection, our abiding in Him. And so, you know, I teach faith, but I don't teach faith. I teach identity. And faith is just kind of a byproduct of that confession, our authority. It's a byproduct of that. And the more conscious you are of him, then the more you. This sounds kind of odd, but the more conscious. I never thought about this way, though. But the more conscious you are of him, the more unconsciously you work with him. I'm actually going to write that one down. [00:38:33] Speaker A: Yeah, Well, I love it. Yeah. I mean, in a similar way, I would tell patients back in the day, you know, weight loss and blood sugar normalizing and blood pressure normalizing and acid reflux normalizing, all those symptoms going away, or people would say get cured. Those are all byproducts that will just naturally. We're not going to chase those particular things, those numbers or those symptoms or diseases. That's a byproduct. I mean, they're a consequence of. Of lack of knowledge and not stewarding. Well, our sugar goes up and it will naturally come back into order. So just like what you're saying, when we understand in our heart beliefs who we really are, the natural byproduct of that will be life just emanating out from us. And you said in the book, Jesus didn't come to make a new religion, but a new creation. So maybe talk about that a little bit on this. And that kind of goes with soul and spirit, kind of how I sort of Te folks about it, you know, because we read all these things, we're seated in him. Every spiritual blessing, heavenly places, everything for life and godliness. The spirit that raised Jesus from the dead lives in me. I have the mind of Christ and all these things. But then again, we see Our own life. No, I'm just this and this and this and just an old sinner saved by grace and all these whatever over in our soul. So this old man who should have died and been buried, and we're this new man. But that distinguishing thing between, you know, a new creation, I mean, just that concept, we're a new creature. And therefore there are certain possessions we'll have as a new creature. But how do you kind of talk to people or explain that, you know, reality of my life and that thought of I'm just no count, no good sinner, saved by grace versus I'm a son and I'm perfect, actually. I mean, those are. Those are way off. [00:40:28] Speaker B: Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting when you actually start just taking these in Christ realities that you see in scripture, they're just so clearly, blatantly there that the apostle Paul mentions you start taking those things and it really does start kind of attacking some of the religious walls that's been put up. You know, I'm a sinner saved by grace, or I'm just. I'm not unworthy. I'm so unworthy. And. And you start realizing that, hey, yeah, before Jesus, I was unworthy. After Jesus, I'm very much worthy, you know. But no, if you go through the scripture, so, you know, a big one for me is First Corinthians 15, where it says about Jesus, that Jesus, he came as the last Adam. Again, it gets to get down to the legality of redemption. The first Adam, Adam in the garden. Jesus came as the last Adam. He had to fulfill this old covenant and in a sense, fix with the first Adam. Jacked up. But I've posed this question to people. I believe in being very simple. I believe that you can go deeper and still stay simple. And I pose this question, so what comes after last? We can sit in there and wait, try to figure it out. But no, there's nothing that comes after last. Jesus was the last one. From what I see in Scripture, Jesus came to finish off the Adamic race. He came to put an end to those that were connected to the first Adam. Because it's interesting that when I'm actually working on a book right now on this, that Jesus, you know, In John, chapter three, verse 16, we all, most of us know that scripture for God's love. This is Jesus telling Nicodemus, for God so loved the world, he gave his what only begotten son. Well, that word, begotten, just a fancy word for, you know, born birth. So before the cross, Jesus is the only born son. Or you could say he's the only child of God. But what's interesting is that in Hebrews chapter one we see this played out again, that he's the only begotten son. But then the Bible tells us in Hebrews chapter one that when God again brings, and now he's not the only begotten son. Now Jesus is after the cross, he's referred to as the firstborn. I got so excited when I saw this. Before the cross, he was the only born son after the cross, after the resurrection, now he's the firstborn. Well, what comes so. So what comes after last? Nothing. What comes after first, second? So before the cross, before salvation is available, he's the only son. After salvation, after the cross, he's the first one. And this is where you see in second Corinthians 5:17 says, if any man be in Christ, he's a brand new creation, you know, so we become the children of God, the sons and daughters of God made after the first one. And so like in Hebrews where we see that he's the firstborn. Hebrews chapter one. Firstborn. That word firstborn in the Greek, it's where we get the word prototype. He's the protos. He's the prototype of the new creation. He's the standard for what this new creation, this new man looks like. And so again, it goes back to what we were talking about a few minutes ago. If I want to understand what I'm like as a child of God, as a son of God, I cannot look to my grandma, my grandpa, I can't look to my favorite preacher. And like, I'm one of the biggest John G. Lake fans you'll ever meet in your life. I can't look to John G. Lake, can't look to Smith Wigglesworth, can't look to, you know, William Seymour, Kenneth Hagin, Oral Roberts, whoever your favorite preacher is, I can't look to any of those people to tell me and show me what I am as a child of God, a new creature, new man in Christ. I can only look to one person, and that's Jesus. Why? He's the prototype. He's the standard. He's the firstborn. And so once you do that, then again, that's when it opens up the doors. And actually when you get that understanding as a foundation, it actually makes everything very, very easy to see and understand. And so that's why for me, this teaching on, this understanding of our identity and union with Christ, for me it's the foundation for everything. And I love it because it literally, it crosses all the denominational boundaries. Because I'm not focusing, I'm not trying to teach you on what you need to do and all this type of stuff. You'll find that with Apostle Paul, he spends more time trying to tell you who you are than what you need to do. And in a lot of churches, we hear more what you need to do than who you are. And that's why when I was growing up, I'm getting saved every weekend because there's such a focus on sin and no, we shouldn't be sinning. But I'm telling you, the more you begin to understand who you are in him and your oneness with him, your union with him, your fellowship with him, and the focus begins to be more on him than you, you just start to change from the inside out. And so this is why the Apostle Paul, again, when it comes down to our identity, our union, the Apostle Paul, he spends a lot of time making this statement, you died, you died, you died, you died. It almost sounds a little morbid that Paul just, he's always thinking about death. He makes this statement many times to the churches, you died, you died. Why? We have to understand what we died to, so you can understand what you're alive to. We talk a lot about the fact that Jesus died for us, and we should. I mean, without it, there's no salvation, you know, but he also rose up for us and he sat down at the cross, I mean, sat down at the throne. And without that, there's no salvation either. So. But in talking about Jesus death, we also need to understand that Jesus's death, it was my death too, that what Jesus died to, I died to it too, in the very same way that what he's alive to, I'm alive unto. And so I always highly, highly encourage people, especially those that are coming from different backgrounds, that maybe there's been questions about God's will concerning healing and this whole sinner, saved by grace, all this type of stuff. I highly encourage people go back and read Romans chapter 5 and Romans chapter 6, especially Romans chapter 6, Romans chapter 6. To me, especially verses 1 through 10 is like the greatest, like, synopsis of redemption. Paul telling you what Jesus did for you, but not just telling you what Jesus did for you, but also showing you your union and your identity and what Jesus did for you. So, like, for example, Romans chapter six and verse four, he basically says this, that, that the life that Jesus lives, the death that he died, I died. And the life that He Lives I live. And then he goes on and tells you in Romans, chapter six, verse six and verse seven that you're no longer a slave to sin because you died to it. And then he tells you in verse 10 and 11 that in the very same way Jesus died unto sin is alive unto God. Verse 11, he says, now you need to consider yourself dead to sin and alive unto God. So verse 11 there is powerful, because basically Paul is telling you, this is verses 1 through 10, this is what's happened for you. But if you want to experience, if you want to walk in what has happened for you, you've got to do some considering and changing your thinking, changing your perspective and see things from the realities of heaven and not through your experiences as you were a dead man walking on this earth. Because essentially that's what it is, is that we've got people that have become alive unto God but still walking like a dead man, saved and going to heaven, but still got the mindset of a sinner. Now, I'm not saying like sinning and doing bad stuff, but the mindset of a sinner, mindset of a cursed person. Even though you're a blessed person, you have the mindset of a cursed person still thinking that what I was alive to as a sinner, I'm still alive unto, as a saint, as a son. And that's where the disconnect is at. And that's the part that I'm really endeavoring to, I'm growing in, but I'm also endeavoring to help other people grow in is to get the mindset changed. So we see things from heaven's perspective. I mean, Paul, even, he blatantly says this in Colossians chapter 3, verse 1 through 3. He says, Set your mind on the realities of heaven, why you died, and your new life is hidden in Christ. So why would I need to change my perspective, change my realities? Because what I see out here, everything that I see out here, everything that I can see, hear, feel, taste and touch, everything out here has death in. [00:49:45] Speaker A: It, all of it. [00:49:48] Speaker B: It's death everywhere. And that's the problem, is that we're looking around and thinking that this is full of life, it's all life, and it's actually full of death. And there's a greater reality that we can walk in, an alternate reality that we can walk in according to the realities of heaven. And that's why Paul tells you, he tells you in Colossians 3, set your mind on the realities of heaven. He tells you in Romans, he says, do not Be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. So that, and check this out, he says, so you can prove the will of God, the good, acceptable, perfect will of God. He said you have to change the way you think so you can prove God's will. And what is God's will on earth? Heaven. His will in heaven is his will on the earth. But how am I going to experience that? I have to change the way that I see and understand so that I can prove his will. So that even deals with the sovereignty of God thing. God's will is what's in heaven, to be on the earth. But if God was sovereign, why would I need to change the way that I think? Why would I need to do certain things if God's sovereign is just going to happen? Now Paul explicitly says, so you can prove the will of God. So it all comes down to changing our perspective, understanding who we are so that we can work together with him, walk with him, fellowship with him, and, and that's where God's will gets accomplished on the earth. [00:51:23] Speaker A: Yeah, what a great way to. Because we got about 10 minutes left and I wanted to kind of go this direction. Not in a performance way, not in a fear based way, not in, you know, any of that, but just you see what's happening in the world. And really since COVID just, it's just on full display. And it seems to me as corporately, you know, one head, Jesus is ahead of the body, the many membered body, all unique individual body parts. The hand, the foot, the eyes, the ears, we need each other. They're all unique and different. But it's one head, one body, one spirit, one baptism, this one ministry of reconciliation. I feel like that means, you know, reconciling us back to not only relationship with God, but in the garden, how it was. I mean, he gave authority and dominion to his kids, but then he was there every day, coming into that realm, walk, looking for him, talking to him, relate. I mean, we're in relationship, we're connected. Of course that was lost. That connection was lost. Jesus restored it. And we're just being reconciled to the fullness of God's original intent, his original plan and intent for man to steward this earth, make decisions, rule all of it. And we need to do that. And that's where I mentioned earlier that all the creations waiting, groaning in anticipation of the sons, neither male nor female, the sons and daughters, the sons of God, to like, get this, come on, get it. But again, not in a, hey, in a fear Base because or performance based but just the reality of what, what Chad's talking about here guys is so powerful and we will see God's will in the earth as we get this deeper understanding and belief in our heart. Even that word sin I was studying in the mirror study Bible human hematria or I, I should have looked this up but the original word for sin he broke it down to a disconnect. Not understanding your identity basically you're doing stuff from a place you're make having thoughts, decisions and fruit actions coming out of that just not knowing you're disconnected from the original source of your identity. It's all identity. But as we get this identity thing we will start seeing in the earth the reality of heaven. I, I know it, I believe it. And Chad, I guess this is my question. I had a gentleman on Abraham John and I don't know if he said on the podcast or it was just in his book but the most quoted verse in the Bible or in the New Testament is this. The most quoted Old Testament verse in the New Testament was about Jesus going to be is seated at the right hand of the Father. Basically the point being he's seated, seated and all his enemies will be made a footstool. And basically the point was is he not going to get up meaning return to be with his bride until his bride his the body in the earth, the men and women in the earth, Christ in them doing it, only doing and seeing is saying what they see and hear their Father in heaven doing and saying is there stuff we we're going to be getting accomplished getting those enemies made a footstool until he stands up and comes back which I don't want to get into too much of. I mean that's kind of a loaded, loaded question. Maybe we got to do all this stuff so Jesus will come back. I mean I don't want to like put him in a box like that but just the thought of and we're supposed to be doing some stuff here and again not us, not our power, not us in our own, it's him in us doing it. I hope I'm making sense here but kind of going off what you just said with identity, when we get it, it naturally is going to flow. Fruit is going to come corporately as a body as we get this. [00:55:23] Speaker B: Well you see there's a statement that Paul makes in Ephesians chapter four and it's a pretty familiar passage of scripture. We hear it a lot in church about he gave gifts unto men, the apostle, prophet, evangelist, past teacher, and that one of the purposes of the ministry gifts is to equip the saints for the work of the ministry. You know, a lot of us have heard that scripture, I mean, when I, I say this jokingly because I pastored for 15 years and you know, I use that scripture a lot, trying to get more, more volunteers in church, you know, and, but you see that, that one of the purposes of the fivefold, what we refer to as the fivefold ministry gifts, one of the purposes is to equip the saints for the work of the ministry. So I mean, but I tell people, hey, thank God for all the volunteers in church, but there's more to the ministry God's called you to than just greeting people or being an usher, sound person or kids, you know, worker. Like we've all been called to this ministry of reconciling people into Jesus. So one of the purposes that, but, but one of the other purposes, if you continue reading it, and this is a purpose that hasn't been talked about because you, you almost have to really get a big backbone to go after it. And he says that to basically till we get to the, to the fullness of the stature of Christ. So one of the purposes of the ministry gifts that the apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher is to help us get to the place where we are walking according to the fullness of the standard of Jesus Christ himself. And to me it is a powerful, powerful statement. It's an eye opening statement that I am to walk according to the standard of Jesus, the fullness of who he is, not just in the area of my character and my conduct, because that's where people want to try to always go identify with Jesus and just being a better person. And I've been raising this question for a while. Why is it that we're all willing to identify with Jesus when it comes to social services, you know, handing out water bottles and gift cards and diapers and doing good stuff for people. But then when it comes to the supernatural, peace, all of a sudden, yeah, but he's God, you know, why is it I can do the natural things like him, but I can't do the supernatural things like him? And we start coming up with all these excuses, you know, well, if he was doing these things as God, why do I get to be on a pedestal and get to pick and choose on what pieces of him I can do and what I can't, you know, and so I, I honestly believe now I'm not, I'm not saying this is, this is doctrine. This is, I rarely Give my personal opinion, but in regards to what you were saying, my personal opinion on these last days is this, is that every major revival we've seen over the last, you know, couple hundred years, especially over the last hundred, 200 years, there's been a great focus on a particular individual that was leading that. And within that, the great focus was really on one of those particular ministry gifts. And in all those major revivals, it really was never God doing something new. It was the basics of what we should be doing as Christians. You see with Azusa Street, a great emphasis on the baptism of the Holy Spirit and healing. You see it take place again in the 40s and 50s, the great healing revival. You know, it took place throughout America in the tent meetings. It was on healing. Like you always see those things. Throughout all these major, these major moves, it never was about God doing something new. It was about God trying to get the church to do what they should have been doing the entire time. And I truly believe that in this last great move that we all talk about awakening, whatever, I don't believe that it's because of God pouring out something special or something extra. I believe that this last move that we, I believe we're already in the little footsteps of. But I believe it's really, truly going to be about the everyday believer, the Joe Blow believer, the landscaper, the teacher, the stay at home mom. I believe it's about the everyday believer rising up, understanding who they are in Christ and throwing away all the excuses, throwing away all the crutches, and living according to the fullness of who they are in Christ. And that's where we see the greatest move of God we've ever seen on the planet. Not because of somebody behind a pulpit, but because the people that sit in the chairs. [01:00:12] Speaker A: Amen. Yep, that resonates for sure. I know that's your personal opinion, but I would concur. And guys, we're. I mean, we are coming to the end here. And the book is Never Be Sick Again. We didn't even really talk about sick that much, but like Chad said, it's really a book on identity. And that's what resonates so much in my spirit, man, when I was reading it. But the possession of health. And he goes, Chad goes through it in the book really, really well. And I highly recommend the book because it is a big deal. We're super sick. We're the sickest country in the world. Our kids are dying left and right. We have the highest infant mortality rate, maternal mortality rate, overall mortality rate, our lifespan's lower than ever. I mean, we're just sick, we're getting hammered. Lack of knowledge, steal, kill and destroy. Deception, outright satanic. I mean, I was reading some stuff today. Some of these doctors resigning from the CDC and some of the stuff they've been doing. Oh, no time to get into that. So, I mean, sickness, illness, disease, it's a big deal. The stewardship through diet, exercise, hydration. But the peace pillar and being just knowing who you are and automatically what that creates. So, I mean, Chad, we have a few minutes if you want to touch on that verse, to just say read the book. [01:01:26] Speaker B: But yeah, it was a. Well, based on kind of some of the stuff we were saying. You say it like this. So going back to the whole first Adam, last Adam, you know, Jesus as the, you know, firstborn, essentially, you could tie it up with that sickness and disease didn't show up until the first Adam sinned. And so you see in Romans chapter 5 that everyone that was born after him tied to Adam connected to Adam. The Bible says in Romans 5 that death was flowing through Adam into every single person. Well, Jesus came as the last Adam in a sense. So you could say Jesus came. I say this jokingly, but Jesus came to kill you. Jesus came to get rid of you that was connected to the first Adam. And he came to create a brand new species, a brand new race of being that had no connection to the first Adam. And their connection was now to the glorified Christ. And so if death, sickness, disease, all this garbage was flowing through the first Adam. And then because of my new connection with Jesus, that old connection was severed with the first Adam. Then that puts me in a position that now what flows through Jesus flows through me. What was flowing through the first Adam is not supposed to flow through me anymore. But this is why the apostle Paul says in Romans chapter 6 that I kind of mentioned Romans chapter 6, verse 11. Here's all the things that's happened for you, but if you want to experience it now, you need to consider yourself to be dead. In other words, you could say we need to do some considering and renewing of our mind. I am no longer connected to Adam. And thus, because my connection changed, the flow changed. And that's why I should never be sick again, because it doesn't flow through Jesus. If it doesn't flow through Jesus and he's the vine, it shouldn't flow through me because I'm the branch connected to the vine. [01:03:18] Speaker A: Whoo. Guys, get the book for sure. Because, I mean, there's some deep meat in here. Never be sick again. Chad Gonzalez. Chad, what's the best way to get the book or to follow you? Get your other books, your website, social media, all that kind of stuff. [01:03:33] Speaker B: All of our books, we have them on Amazon, so you can go to Amazon, just type in my name. And then as far as social media, again, you just type my name in. YouTube, Facebook, we're all over the place, but we've got tons of videos on YouTube. We've actually got something we started quite a few years ago called the Healing Academy. And if people are interested in that, it's an online training that we develop. We initially developed it for churches to use for small groups and stuff, and evangelism training, but we've got thousands of individuals all over the world that go through it, and it's just. It's from that foundation of identity. So all that stuff's available on our website. It's just my name and on social media as well, so. [01:04:14] Speaker A: Awesome. Well, guys, when you get the book or go through the academy and look at all the Chad stuff, you're going to see even more deeply and clearly what he's talking about. It's like there's, you know, I talk about sometimes these magnets, these big magnets, but if you flip it negative to negative, it just repels and there's a repulsion that'll happen with sickness, disease, cancer. I mean, we get it with like chemo and radiation. This radiation beam is going to go into me and dissolve that tumor. It does lots of other damaging things too, but, like, flip that. Imagine just this power, if you want to think alike, because Jesus is referred to as light so much, but just this power, it's this quantum physics frequency thing. It's a vibrational frequency power. I mean, just boom, tumor gone. But it's such a heart thing, a belief thing. It's a deep thing. It's meat, guys. So I know again, a lot of sick people around. We see sick people every day. So it's a journey. I encourage you to keep walking, keep pressing in, keep asking the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to you. And layer by layer, this onion is getting peeled back. Doctrines and traditions of man are getting dissolved. And just truth, that light is getting into the crevices of darkness in your own heart beliefs. God's eager to reveal himself and he wants you set free. Jesus came to do that, to set you free of all this stuff. So I do believe in what Chad's saying. We will walk the earth all the days of our life until our spirit's called home, and boom, the flesh just falls over dead at that point. But you don't have to die of disease. You don't have to die of sickness. You just go. Go home. When your physical time here is done and you're done like Moses up on the mountain, boom, done. So that's where we're going, but it's this understanding. Chad's bringing in the book, so never be sick again, y'. All. Check it out. Chad, thanks again for being with us. Appreciate all you're doing. [01:06:06] Speaker B: Thank you very much. [01:06:07] Speaker A: You. You bet, guys. This will be archived on our website, veritas, wellnessmember.com all the podcast platforms, YouTube, all that. So share it far and wide. Get it out there. The enemy's been trampling on us for a little while, and it's time to take back that ground. So in understanding who we are and our true identity and what Jesus bought and paid for, if Jesus bought and paid for us to possess it, then we're shoplifted, we're stealing, and we need to. We need to receive what he's done for us, the fullness of it. So. All right, guys, we'll see you next week. Thank you. I'm Dr. Ben Edwards. You're the Cure.