Victorious Emotions | Wendy Backlund

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of youf're the cure. I'm Dr. Ben Edwards, and boy, howdy, am I excited today. I'm excited every day. But today in particular, our guest, Wendy Backland. I don't even know who it was. One of my wellness navigators, I believe, sent me a video. You were being interviewed by somebody. And of course, then that led me to your book. Books, Plural, Victorious Emotions and Living from the Unseen Realm. And guys, just before I hit record, I was telling Wendy, I'm a little frustrated with myself. I was in a little bit of a rush today. Kind of had an urgent patient situation come up and I left the house without my two books because I wrote so many notes. But I was telling Wendy, excuse me. It's one of those books where you end up underlining and highlighting. I like to flip to the back empty pages and I'll just put the page number, write the little summary note. And it's one of those books where you end up. You're like underlining every sentence and your notes are just. You're recopying the book and your notes. Amazing books. But guys, as you well know, we've talked about many, many, many times, but we also have lots of new listeners. We are a spirit being housed in the flesh, we with a soul. And we've got to know those three things. And, you know, it's hard, I think, for a black and white left brain, Western trained intellectual kind of person, and probably really almost all of us to not get into the either or thing. We're all three of those things. And so there is the stewardship of the physical, for sure. We talk about that plenty of, um. And I know, especially when you're sick, when you're symptomatic, when you're battling some really severe symptoms, like this patient I just walked out of the room with, she's desperate, she's crying, she's been to 10 doctors. She literally thinks she's dying. And so total sympathy for that. And there are physical things that we're going to work on with that patient, and we do with all our patients, but if we can just get our head wrapped around the fact that that the invisible realm, the unseen realm, living from that unseen realm, understanding that unseen realm is so powerful on the physical things that are happening to you. We're not denying all those physical symptoms. This patient was just telling me about their real symptoms are really happening. And there are some physical triggers that are probably pushing her cells into that erratic disorderly state. But what I'm saying is when you bring, if you want to think about it like a resonant frequency, like a tuning fork, you bring the right tuning into the. Into that physical realm from your heart belief, from that invisible quantum belief realm. Man, you can move the needle big time and you can repel these toxins. This lady in particular, it's mold and spike protein toxin are just hammering her, I believe. But I think there's a repulsion that can happen not just with physical supplements we're going to do to help break down that spike protein and bind up that mold toxin, get it out of her. There is that piece for sure. But guys, I'm just telling you, you will, you will leapfrog down that road of healing. The more you're able to take in what Wendy's about to talk about from this unseen realm. So there's no condemnation in pharmaceutical symptom management, nutraceutical symptom management, dietary interventions and saunas and supplements and all the things, ozone, ultraviolet blood irradiation, all these things are great. But let's put first things first is what I would say in seeking the kingdom first. If there was a kingdom answer and a heart belief that could shift your frequency of your physical cells to expedite your healing, wouldn't you want to know about that? And that's what we're going to talk about today. So, Wendy, thank you so much for coming on the show today. I feel like I know you just from reading your books already, a kindred spirit and just so in alignment with what you're teaching. But. Well, I'm just going to let you introduce yourself. Kind of the background I'm sure you do on these interviews, kind of where you came from to where you are today. And that might take up the whole hour, which is fine. We can do a part two and three if we need to, but then eventually get into these two books in particular. I know I think you have more. But these two, Living from the Unseen Realm and Victorious Emotions were just so awesome. So we'll get into those for sure. But let's just start with you kind of telling us who you are and where you came from. [00:04:44] Speaker B: Great. Yes. I was raised thinking I was very shy, inadequate, had a lot of, you know, self esteem issues, all of that. And my husband and I, when we'd probably been married about 15 years and I mean, I was so shy that if somebody just looked at me too long, I would start crying. I mean, it was just too overwhelming for me. So I lived this life where I was in bondage to my Emotions. It was like that. It was a cage that I didn't even realize I was in. And of course, it began to affect my health, which how they say that I think it's 80, 85% of all Americans suffer from stress and don't even know it because stress has become so normal that most people think it's normal. They don't even recognize the lack of peace. And so we became Christians. And the first thing I decided was, I am tired of living in fear. I'm tired of being in bondage to my emotions. And so I started asking God, how do you get out of this? And even the physical issues I was facing, it was like it started off with just a lot of allergies, you know, because you're eating the standard American diet. And it just wasn't agreeing with my body. And God began to say, the way you believe that got you where you are won't get you out of where you want to go. So in other words, he began to talk to me about, if I want to see something different in my life, I have to believe something different. And too often we're asking God the question, what do I do? What do I do to change things? And he's like, you know, you can't consistently do what you don't believe you are. So the first thing we have to do is change who you think you are, what you think you are. And I think the biggest thing that really shifted things for me was, you know, when the scripture says that you're a whole new creation. And it dawned on me one day, I've quoted that scripture, but I never asked, if I'm a whole new creation, then what am I? Am I just a better human? Or is there actually something else that now has power to shift my life? And if we never accept the fact that we are a partaker of the divine nature, that we're one with God, that he invites us into his peace. And so I went after peace. That was my first thing. And the first thing he said is, don't try to find peace in the middle of the storm. Start praying about it. But he said, in the midst of times that things are, you know, halfway, okay, start practicing the presence of God's peace, he said, because then you'll know one, when you're out of it, and two, and you could develop a way to get back into it. And peace is so important not only for our emotions, but our physical health. And I believe we can actually carry the presence of peace to bring it to other people. It's that powerful. It's like almost like a substance that you can carry. And most of us know that in the negative. I'm sure we've been around people that agitate us. And God said, you know, if they can agitate you, then why can't the peace that you carry bring peace to them? Why is it that we think only negative emotions from other people can affect us, but we don't believe that the presence of peace and joy can affect other people? And so I just went on this journey and God, when we first got saved, we really got into Romans 12:1, where it talks about presenting yourself as a living sacrifice to God. And, you know, that was just the foundation. But I was not seeing a lot of change in my life. I was sacrificing time, money, you know, desires which are all good. But the inside of me didn't seem to be changing. It was hard work. And he brought to my attention Romans 12:2 that says, Be transformed by the renewing of your mind. And I thought, oh, sacrifice doesn't transform you. It's good. But that's not where our transformation comes from. Transformation comes from believing something different about yourself than you currently believe. And so I began to go on this journey of, okay, I'm going for it. And I used every science book I could find, because it's not enough to know it intellectually. You have to get it into the subconscious thinking, because that's where we do most of our decision making. That's where our emotions come from. You know, our emotions don't come from what we intellectually believe. Obviously. You know, when God started talking to me about joy, it's like, oh, great, now I have to be joyful too. And I just like, I can't work up joy. And he said, no, you need to understand joy isn't an emotion you work up. Joy is a fruit of what you believe. [00:11:03] Speaker A: That's powerful. [00:11:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it was life changing. [00:11:07] Speaker A: Yeah. And maybe, maybe we can flesh that out a little more. I was just at a conference this weekend where one of the audience questions to panelists, it was on stage, was about emotions. And the gentleman wasn't. Said he was an alcoholic. Which we addressed the identity statement there. But the question was on emotions. What do you do with them? All this stuff. And I. It wasn't addressed to me. I didn't have the green light on jumping up there and grabbing the mic to answer it. But I thought, oh, you need to listen to podcasts. It's going to come out with Wendy in a minute. Because the motions, they're the fruit. What. What you just said about joy, it's really the fruit. I mean, number one, I guess some people need to just acknowledge that there's emotions, because some people are taught to just stuff these things down there and just the acknowledgment can be beneficial. But to me, I would see it as more of, okay, well, this emotion, this emotion, any motion, these are signs that are telling me, whoa, it's. It's a warning. It's a light on the dashboard going off. There's something under the hood happening in my beliefs. [00:12:18] Speaker B: Yes. [00:12:19] Speaker A: And so let's dig deeper into those beliefs. And so much of those beliefs, I believe I'll let you expound on this more, but are related to identity, who we are, where we're seated, our authority, all that Jesus bought and paid for and accomplished when he came to the earth as a man, and what all that means and what we have access to. I mean, this. That opens up this huge arena which, as your book says, we can live from that place of knowing who we are. But talk about how those emotions are really just indicators of there's a deeper thing to pursue. And how do we do that? How do. How do we pursue that? [00:13:03] Speaker B: Yeah. I think part of it is recognizing that even though what we're believing feels true, it doesn't necessarily make it true. Most of our emotions are based on conclusions we've made about the circumstance rather than the circumstance itself. You know, it's kind of like when we're dealing with shame. You can't just fight shame. We have to realize that shame was accepted as a truth because of a faulty conclusion we made about ourselves. [00:13:48] Speaker A: Wow. Yeah. That. In the quote from the book that I did, my wife screenshotted some of my notes. I've got it here. Emotions do not validate truth. They validate what we believe. [00:14:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:05] Speaker A: Huge. Just that statement right there, we can camp out on. And now people can take captive that thought when they have that emotion. Emotions are fine, but let's. Let's grab that and go deeper and ask the Holy Spirit to show us. What do I believe about this letter I just got in the mail? Or this bank account statement? Or what my boss just said, or what the TV just said about this political. Whatever. Anything. [00:14:28] Speaker B: Yep. [00:14:30] Speaker A: What's it. The core belief that's driving this emotion. [00:14:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And if we can just get people to start asking questions about what they believe, that's what really set me free. And one of the best questions God gave me was he said, whenever you're feeling a negative Emotion, Ask the question, what do I need to believe to have hope for this? Because the enemy's right there to tell you there is no hope, and he'll give you all the proofs. You know, in fact, that's one of the things that really had me delve into the mind, which, by the way, I just want to tell people you are not your mind. Your brain. Your brain is more like a computer just spitting out what it's been told, but it's not who you are. Your soul and your spirit is who you are. And we can change what the mind believes. It's like giving it an upgrade. But anyway, did you have a question? [00:15:39] Speaker A: Gonna say it's like a hard drive, and then there's the. The inputs, and we've got malware, we've got lies that were inputted into us, and we got to reboot back to God's original intent. [00:15:50] Speaker B: Yes. [00:15:51] Speaker A: And that there's a lot in there to unpack. But these emotions are the opportunity for us to ask and look and dig and let the Holy Spirit write God's truth on our heart. So that when we are walking through these things, it will produce the fruit automatically. You don't have to gin up joy and gin up the fruits of the spirit. They will naturally. Fruit naturally comes off the apple tree because it's an apple tree. You get apples. [00:16:16] Speaker B: Yes. [00:16:17] Speaker A: That kind of thing. [00:16:18] Speaker B: And once you know the way the brain works, you know, they've actually proven that our brain does have strongholds, and they're built by what we constantly think about. And I looked up that word stronghold once, and it means it's a place that's been taken, and it's defending its right to be there. So whether you're talking about an army taking a city, and then it's defending its right to be there, that's what the brain does. So if I have told myself over and over that I'm inadequate, which I do. [00:16:54] Speaker A: Did. [00:16:55] Speaker B: For first half of my life, I had a stronghold. And a stronghold is constantly looking for proof to defend its right to be there. So all day long, I would be looking for proof that I wasn't enough. I was looking for proof that I was inadequate. And I would go to bed at night, and I would think to myself, I could have done that better, or I shouldn't have said that, or I should have done this. And I was just rehearsing all the proofs that I was never enough. And people are doing this constantly. And what God told me is he said, I want you to stop looking for proof of what you believe now. And I want you to start looking for proof that you're more than enough. And to do that, I had to train my brain. So at the end of every day, I would go through and I would find three proofs that I was more than enough, that I was adequate in the job, I had what I was doing. And the weird thing is, they were there every day. I mean, sometimes it felt small, but there is really just as much pressure proof that you're loved as there is proof that you're not loved. It's just that your brain is only highlighting what it already believes. You know, I. I've. I've met people who think they're failures, and I'm like, well, boy, I wish I could fail like you, because you're way more successful than I am. But the thing is, is they aren't seeing their successes because they're only looking for proof that they're a failure. I had a lady who. She believed nobody could see the gifts within her and who and what she was. And in church one day, she was invited up to lead a healing ministry, and there was a whole bunch of people being healed. It was a powerful time. And I'm standing there with her after the service, and people came up and they said, that was so good. You have such an anointing with this, and you're so, you know, gifted. And then three days later, we went out to lunch, and she said, I don't understand why nobody recognizes the gift that's on me. And I'm like, what do you mean? Just three days ago, a bunch of people came up and recognized it, and she literally could not remember it because her brain wasn't highlighting that. It was highlighting the fact that nobody recognized her. [00:19:44] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, it's like there's a blindness there that when you give in to a lie, when you believe a lie about yourself, then your brain's gonna go find those things. And I think another quote or note I made in from the book about using facts to challenge God's promises, and maybe that's, you know, a little bit different context, but we can just go find all these facts in our life to validate that inadequate or whatever the lie, false identity thing is that doesn't line up with God's word. But we're so quick and able, like a magnet. We just get it, go a. Get these facts, pull these facts from our day to prove. Like you said, a stronghold's there to defend itself, improve. Well, so like in your story, your journey Recognizing. Maybe people can recognize some of these character traits or emotions like fear or I'm shy. Some. The recognition of that fruit. But then you keep saying God or God told you God show. So this hearing God's voice, part of it's pretty big deal. Knowing God's written word and spoken word, both the truth to shine the light. So when you're talking with people or working with people, you know, how is there a kind of stepwise process to that, of recognizing this characteristic? Like shy. But then it's God, Holy Spirit who shows you. No, that's because you believe you're not enough or not adequate. And that's a light. Light bulb moment. And then you bring God's word, his truth in. What's the truth on that? That statement you just made, because that's a lie. So you just step through like that. [00:21:33] Speaker B: Yeah. I think for me, when I started really hearing from God and reading the scripture about who and what we are in him, there was that argument with the facts of, no, I'm not a person of peace and power and authority. I'm shy. I'm inadequate. And I remember God challenging me. And he said, wendy, that's not who you are. That's just who you've become. And there's a big difference between what we've become and who and what we really are. And the best example of that he gave me is, if an apple tree dies before it ever has apples, is it still an apple tree? Do we define an apple tree an apple tree because it's had apples? Or do we define an apple tree as an apple tree because it was created to have apples? So no matter what it's experiencing, the. Does not change its true identity. And he began to talk to me about, I'm getting my identity from what I've experienced or not experienced, instead of from what I was created to be. And when I started to come into line with that, that's when everything shifted. [00:23:04] Speaker A: So, I mean, that's pretty much right there. That's judging everything by our life experience, our life experiences to define us. Our life experience to interpret God's word, our life experience to everything. Interpret everything. Or we can use life experience. That's huge. [00:23:28] Speaker B: Well, and I did that for too many years and it didn't work well for me. So. [00:23:33] Speaker A: Yeah. So elsewhere in the book, you wrote the plan all along. And I'm assuming my note here, we're talking about God's plan all along, but the plan all along was to teach us to think differently. And the word repent, the Original Greek word of that changing your thinking. So our thoughts are at the core of this entire intent of God and what Jesus came to restore so that his kids, his family here in the physical realm could get something done. And it's him in us getting it done, not us. But it all starts with we've got to see this thing differently. And seeing we got to think differently, we've got to be willing to change our thinking. Yeah. [00:24:26] Speaker B: And you know, one of the things that helped me was I thought, you know, what do I have to lose? I've tried just, you know, continuing thinking the way I am because one of the things I discovered is, you know, after spending the first part of our Christian life just focused on sacrificing time and money and dreams to God, I discovered it was actually harder to sacrifice my beliefs than it was my money or time because our beliefs feel so true. And. But once I realized, oh, okay, I have to be willing to sacrifice the belief that I'm shy, even though I've got experiential proof of shyness, I'm really filled with the spirit of God. And I, I that were the presence of the Lord is there's freedom and life and having to begin to train my brain to believe something that every emotion within me felt like this is not true, it doesn't feel true. And I would just tell myself, feelings are not the highest indicator of truth. The Bible is the highest indicator of truth. [00:25:47] Speaker A: Yes. One of the things that really clicked for me and you touch on it here in the book, when we're not taking possession of our promises, slash the promised land like the Israelites, God had given them the land. Go and take possession of it. Take care of these giants in there, but it's yours, Go. And you know, for us those giants are these beliefs, it's these thoughts. And when it what clicked for me when I realized, man, Jesus came not just so I can get to heaven, he came to bring heaven back into me. And that access to the kingdom now I have that access now. And if he bought and paid for a full all day pass to fill in the blank, I don't even like to use these amusement park names because anyways, that's another story. But if he bought and paid for an all day pass to this thing and I'm barely stepping my toe in the front gate, entry gate and not understanding, I have full access to all. And the only thing limiting me from that promised land and all those promises is my inability to see clearly and to believe what about myself. So we've got to dig, guys, into what is it I believe about myself that's not true. [00:27:14] Speaker B: The thing that helped me was I've always thought, okay, there's all these promises in the Bible, and I wasn't experiencing all of them. And so my thinking was, well, if this is true, then why am I not experiencing this? I'm a Christian. And then he really highlighted that scripture and the fact that God said, I've given you the land, now go take possession of it. And the 10 there was 12 spies, two with a good report, 10 with a negative. Well, the 10 negative people in their report, they were talking about the giants and they said, we can't take the land. And I remember thinking, oh, that's just like me. They're thinking, if God's given us the land, why would we have to fight for it? There's giants in there. And then he reminded Me of Ephesians 6 when it talks about taking up the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God. And I realized, oh, it's called a sword because you're supposed to kill something with it. And I had this thought, you know, if you're not killing the giants in your promised land, then you're not using the word of God correctly. If it's a sword, what have you killed with it lately? It's taking down those giants, those belief systems, those that have been so ingrained within us, and take a chance, believe God's word, but recognize that it's a process you can't get it from. You don't believe what you want to believe. You believe what you've trained yourself to believe. So it's like I want to believe in healing, but I haven't trained myself to believe in it because I still put more weight on the experience than on the supernatural. [00:29:33] Speaker A: Hey everybody, quick break from the show. I've got something really special to share with you. 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After 20 years of practicing medicine, it's boiled down into this. This is the, the core of what you need to truly be. Well, so we'll see you in the program. Well, and that kind of goes into. In part of the book, you're talking about the difference between inner unity with truth versus mental agreement with truth. And when you have that disunity, like your conscious versus your subconscious, you know, you can say this here in your head and mentally, and yes, I hear what Wendy's saying, but in your heart beliefs, you're off. So there's that disunity. And I think that's probably where this true lack of peace comes. You know, you can say stuff at this one level, mental level, but you can't lie to yourselves. Your mitochondria, your DNA, that vibrational frequency, it knows when you're not truly tuned into peace. True peace, which only comes from the truth. The truth. I was at this conference this weekend. It was amazing and great. And it's a conference where it was probably the law of the presenters. And some of the attendees were more in tune to what I'd call the quantum realm, energy medicine. What people say, woo, woo, even maybe use a new age word. But the point being, some of these folks I talked to, they're still struggling. They'd done all this work, all this. Of course they were on a great diet and supplements. They were grounding, watching the sunshine, good movement, good stretches, and then some quote unquote energy work type stuff. But the thing missing was the truth that sets you free. They're doing all kinds of quote unquote work, good work in the health space, in the mental emotional realm, but it wasn't setting them free. And it was so obvious. And I think it boils down to this very thing you're talking about, this disunity disharmony. We may think one thing, but our heart belief is something else. [00:32:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I. One of the funny stories about that is I was just waiting on God and I just kind of in my inner mind, I felt like he said, wendy, do you believe I'm going to meet all your needs? And I was like, oh yeah. And I quoted some scripture at him to let him know I know what the word says. And he Just gently goes, then why are you afraid? And I'm like, oh, do my emotions have to believe it too? And he said, that's how you'll know you believe it. If your beliefs haven't changed your emotions, you don't believe it yet. And that's not for condemnation because we're all on this journey and going deeper and coming into inner unity. It's. You know, I'm still working at it myself. It's. And never. The Bible's big. The promises are huge. [00:33:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:42] Speaker B: And. But at least now I know what I'm going for. I'm training myself to actually believe it at a level that every part of me is so convinced it's true. [00:33:56] Speaker A: Right. [00:33:57] Speaker B: That even in the face of opposition, my emotions aren't moved. [00:34:02] Speaker A: Yeah. And I want to reiterate when you say on it's a journey. We are all on this journey. No doubt about it. And that's why I want to encourage people to just keep going, keep going on this journey. We don't have it all figured out. Wendy doesn't have it all figured out. I sure don't have it all figured out. None of our guests. We have amazing guests on here. Nobody has it all figured out. But we're in this process of discovery and going to revelation and a deeper understanding. More aha moments. And sometimes it seems like people are a little nervous or scared to do that in this realm, in that spiritual realm. You know, let's. It's easy to go exploring more in the physical. Let's try this diet and that diet. Oh, here's a new supplement I saw on Instagram. Let me order that real quick and try it for my gut health or whatever. Always we're free to explore and try all this stuff over here. And I'm not saying get into off base of. From God's word. Holy Spirit's got to do this part. But just understanding there's deeper stuff here that. Because I believe when we really in sec. Where everyone's kind of. A lot of our guests have been all over this identity thing. It's like the body of Christ is getting this resonant frequency right now. And of just identity when we can really get this man. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Sorry. [00:35:18] Speaker A: No, I was just gonna say we'll be operating at a whole new level. [00:35:21] Speaker B: Yeah. I think one of the steps in my book, Victorious Emotions, is actually celebrating progress. And what I believe is that if there's no celebration of your baby steps, you won't have the strength to continue. And for me, you know, a lot of times, if you think about it, religion only celebrates perfection, which is why there's a lot of churches that they have no celebration. They're waiting for everybody to get their act together. And. But families celebrate progress. You know, when you think about a baby taking his first step, there's all this celebration. They took one step and. And then fell down, but yet we're still celebrating. [00:36:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:18] Speaker B: And we use the one step as proof that they're walkers. We don't use the 50 falls to decide, oh, I guess they're not created to walk. They don't have the gift of walking because they fall down more than they, you know. So when we start getting out of that, because I think even people who. Who don't go to church, there's almost this religious spirit of, I can't celebrate myself until I'm perfect. And that is one of the biggest problems, because you'll never be perfect. Start celebrating the small steps, the small improvements and the more actively. Like, I went through a season where God said, when you celebrate your progress, jump up and down, grin, laugh, involve your whole body and mind to train yourself. Because I was constantly, you know, it was almost like I didn't have permission to be happy because I had so many things wrong with me. And if you wait, like what you're talking about, that heaviness is actually dragging you further down. We need some moments of celebration in the midst of whatever you're going through. For instance, when Jesus, or actually not Jesus in Nehemiah, it says, the joy of the Lord is your strength. And he challenged me one day because I had been complaining. God, why am I always sick and tired? You know, it seems like I live with this. And he said, that's because joy is your strength and it's medicine. And he said, you don't value joy. You're waiting for joy to happen to you instead of thinking about things that will bring you joy. And that really was a biggie because when he said, the joy of the Lord is your strength, I remember thinking, you mean that literally. If you don't have enough strength in your life, you're not laughing enough. And I was the type of person who. I laughed on the inside. And he said, there's no health benefits to laughing on the inside. But, you know, I actually have disciplined myself to laugh out loud again and to actually. In fact, my husband and I, we have coffee together most mornings, and we always read a couple jokes together and laugh together because we take laughter seriously. We know the joy, that it's medicine to our body and it's strength to us. [00:39:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And you know when y' all bet I could probably go do a literature search on PubMed and find some study a scientist did on that very thing. I bet on laughter that it improves all these various biomarkers and outcomes. I bet. I guarantee you that's out there. Which is fine when science validates God's word. But you just went straight to the source. God, you were listening. God just told you. Yeah. And if that study's not out there, fine. It's still true. [00:39:52] Speaker B: It is out there. [00:39:53] Speaker A: Okay, well, but the point being that I want the listeners to take home is God's eager. Eager and willing and wanting to lead you, speak to you, reveal himself to you, lead you into all truth. [00:40:07] Speaker B: Yes. [00:40:08] Speaker A: It's just we have to make the space for it. We have to ask, we have to listen, we have to. And then obey when we hear stuff. [00:40:15] Speaker B: And we have to believe he will. [00:40:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:40:18] Speaker B: So many people think they're spiritually deaf, and I was one of them. [00:40:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:23] Speaker B: And before I could hear, I had to start believing a different identity. You know, I actually, I heard a sermon from a guy who's son. They didn't know it at the time, but he was born 80% deaf. And when they found out that this was the case, they, as parents, they compensated for his deafness. And so this pastor was sharing that. And I thought, oh, if a normal parent will compensate for their children's deafness, how much more will God the Father compensate for our deafness? Just shifting our thinking. God can get through to you. You know, even if you were deaf, he could still get through to you. He could, you know, put signs on billboards. I mean, he knows how to speak. [00:41:19] Speaker A: Well, maybe talk about a little bit, you know, if you hadn't heard or sought and listened and obeyed along your life. And it's where I'm going with. This is another from your book I wrote down. Jesus leads us to triumph. If your thoughts don't lead to triumph, then Jesus is not the one leading you. I guess I need to add a little more of this. And especially when it comes to disease and sickness and suffering, the enemy's here to steal, kill and destroy, and he has no authority. Jesus took care of all that. It's done. The war is over. Jesus won. We don't see everything under his. I mean, it's all put under his feet. It's not manifested yet. Again, where I'm going with this is what's our role and our responsibility in the earth, in the physical realm, as Joint heirs seated in him, him, in us. This recognition that some of this hard stuff in my life, some of these tough things, some of this even suffering stuff. Now I know everyone's, we're going to have tribulation for the sake of the Word. I mean, people are going to come after us when that word, that seed is getting in our heart. But so much quote, unquote, suffering, sometimes we'll see that it's the enemy. Steal, kill and destroy through lack of knowledge, lack of recognition of what this emotion is pointing to this deeper thing. And God wants to reveal this truth. So, like, joy is my strength. And how much potential suffering or hard times you avoided as you took that word, applied that truth in your heart, and how that raised you to another level of understanding. And I'm not saying we're never going to have hard times. I just said tribulation is guaranteed. But kind of speak to that a little bit in particular with what you wrote in the book, Jesus leads to Trump. So if you're not Trump, you might want to check yourself on who's leading you. [00:43:21] Speaker B: Yes. [00:43:22] Speaker A: Or what lie is leading you. [00:43:24] Speaker B: Yes. And I think that's the thing is recognizing that the enemy, but also the recording in our mind, we have these lies that lead us to despair or fear. And it's like a snowball going downhill. And it makes even the circumstances that are bad worse because we're coming into agreement with them. And I know it's hard. I've walked through. My best friend lost her teenage daughter, you know. Yeah, we're going to have hard times, but we have to realize grief is good. Just don't grieve without hope. You'll get stuck. The hope is I will recover. God will bring me peace. He will be making the enemy pay for what he has stolen. It is thinking on the things from God's point of view instead of just looking at the circumstances. There is just something about recognizing the lie for what it is. And I have people who they are suffering. And so it's almost. You almost feel cruel saying, but take some time to have some hope. But yet it's their only way to get out of what they're in is to bring God into it. You know, he's not the enemy. He's not the one who caused it to happen. But when we come into agreement that he can make this turn out for good, but we have to be in unity with what his plans are to make the enemy suffer for what he's done. Yeah, I kind of had a brain freeze. Did I Actually answer the question. [00:45:25] Speaker A: Yes, you did. It was great and it made me think because guys, I try to put these things into practice and believe me, I'm still learning. I'm not fully matured up into all these things. But just as an encouragement in a practical. Maybe this would help in your own practical application in life. During the whole measles thing when I'm trying to help some kiddos out and then the media gets involved and politics gets involved and I don't read media, but I know there's a lot of negative and we got tons of negative phone calls from people. If I let fear come in, if my identity's wrapped up in my MD behind my name and that medical acts in my provision, my identity, what people think about me, all that stuff, if that's where my value and self worth is all wrapped up in that, then easy spirit of fear can come in on that and use all that negative to just snowball on me versus no. And I'm not of course I had some thoughts like that. Oh no, I mean I'm a human, that thought can come in but I take captive that thought and then I go the word and what's the truth? And I was, I was believing a hundred percent no matter what was going to happen in the natural realm with my medical license or anything, it was going to be exponentially used to impact the kingdom for the benefit of God and for God's glory, regardless of my medical license. And I'm not saying I'm willingly, you know, being willy nilly with my license. I'm just saying I, I doubt I made that decision because of the truth in God's word, that either this will explode our business or we'll reach more people or how many views. I'm not about views on Instagram or anything. I don't. My team help does all that for me. I'm just saying the enemy's trying to do something here. It's not going to work. And even if my license gets taken for some illegitimate reason, well fine, because it's going to somehow exponentially advance the kingdom of God, period into discussion. But I have to believe that in my core, not just lip service to that. And at first it may be lip service, but over time you actually believe because then there's fruit of the evidence of that thing that was unseen. But then it becomes seen, it actually happens. Oh wow, we got advancement here, we got provision from here, we got this thing here and then it's. You have that faith of it worked and you'll remember that for next time. And then it grows and grows and grows. So I've had some of those in the last 10 years. So I was able to more boldly believe that this time with the measles thing. So I'm just saying that as a practical. This actually works. Not. Not that I'm questioning that it would work. It's God's word. But y' all can do this. We can do this. I can keep doing this. And Wendy, we can all corporately keep doing this. And that's how we overcome the schemes of the enemy. And people want to see us walking through life peacefully. Go ahead, Wendy. [00:48:18] Speaker B: One of the things that helps is because, you know, the whole concept of deception is that you don't know you're deceived. You know, and a lot of times we don't stop to think of that. We think, well, I'm a Christian. I'm not deceived. I don't believe lies. But yet we all are believing lies at some level. And one of the things that God told me that I could recognize the thoughts in my mind, where they're coming from by the fruit that's left behind, because there's always an emotion with a thought, usually. And he said, if the thought leaves behind guilt, condemnation, heaviness, the desire to give up, it's not God, because he doesn't leave behind what he's not. And so he only leaves behind. Even if he's correcting us, he leaves behind the life of, you can do this, son. You can do this, daughter. We can do it together. There's hope attached to it. And I remember thinking, but God, isn't there some things that are hopeless? And this is what he said. No lie in my heart. You know how you know it's God? Because you know you would never come up with this. He said, wendy, you have permission to be hopeless about anything I'm hopeless about. And it was like the Bible says he's the God of all hope. [00:50:03] Speaker A: Wow. [00:50:04] Speaker B: It was like, okay, I get you so good. [00:50:09] Speaker A: Yep. That truth just penetrates right to the heart. But he's doing it these things for our benefit so we can be set free, so we can walk around on the earth like Jesus did. [00:50:23] Speaker B: Ah, yeah. I mean, Jesus himself. He quoted Isaiah 60:1 that he was anointed to heal and deliver, to bring joy for the spirit of heaviness. I mean, if he died for that, then that must be his will. Why are we, you know, even debating what his will is when what he died for must be his will for us? To experience. [00:50:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:55] Speaker B: And word, we just have to come into agreement with the process and allow it to take over the different areas of our life and being okay with. You know, this area of my life still kind of looks like a mess, but this is what God has me focused on and celebrating my progress and realizing this isn't about performance, it's about relationship. And he loves you the way you are right now. He's not going to love you more because you've gotten better. You know, it's. It's his love that gives us our strength. [00:51:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And he's not going to love you less because you messed up. [00:51:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. [00:51:41] Speaker A: There is nothing you can do to make God love you anymore or any less. Guys, you've got to believe that truth. That'll just. That piece can help set you free to a degree for sure. [00:51:51] Speaker B: Yeah. But take, take some time to get it from a mental agreement. You know, I. And to me this may sound a little new agey, but I spend time every day because I want to experience his love, because I know it will strengthen me. It will give me boldness to step out in areas that I normally wouldn't. So I have to steward receiving his love. It's not a one time, oh, I felt loved one day. It's a relationship. And so just telling him, God, I'm just here, I want to feel your love. Show me how much you love me. And then by faith, just believe. You know, either just then you're receiving it or throughout the day, he's going to give you little kisses along the way to show you I'm here for you. I love you. [00:52:51] Speaker A: What a great point, Wendy especially. We're so busy and the world today more than ever is after our attention. From the first moment we wake up and pick up that phone and the ding, ding, ding start going off. All the notifications that go off mean the way this, the enemy. I mean, technology is great, can be used great. But we've got to rule over that thing. [00:53:13] Speaker B: That's right. [00:53:14] Speaker A: Because our eyes and ears are getting constantly asked to look somewhere else. So carving out that space in our routine, in our life and all throughout the day remembering that the God who created this whole thing, set this whole thing up, is right here, actually in you. His spirit in you, and wants to lead you, guide you and direct you every day, just like Jesus. And maybe we got a few minutes left, maybe six, seven minutes left. Wendy, just driving home that concept of. And I've talked about this on the show before, but those loaves and fishes. You know, they. The disciples bring a few fish and a few pieces of bread. And there's this huge crowd. And, you know, Jesus obviously was in. Had a flesh, he had a soul spirit in the garden of Gethsemane, said, my spirit's willing, my flesh is weak. My soul sorrowful unto death. So he was this three part. But in that moment, the way I kind of think about it, his flesh eyeballs looked at those physical flesh fish and bread in the basket. And he's 30 years old or 31 or 2 at the time, whatever. So he lived his whole life eating bread and fish in his physical belly. He knew what one man could eat, much less a huge crowd. So his physical eyeballs see that probably his mental capacity in his soul. Did a calculation possibly. Wow, there's only five. This could serve maybe five people. I don't know. Because he was tempted in every way. It says, yet without sin. So he could have done an earthly physics, mental, intellectual calculation there. But then he stops, looks to heaven. I don't know if it says he closes eyes or not, but, you know, I just envision it. And his spirit man, at that point gets his. Because he only said what he heard his father saying, only did what he saw his father doing. So in that moment, in that real life moment of his day, busy day, lots of people, he paused, got his marching orders, and he brought the reality of the kingdom of heaven, his Father's truth and reality, into the physical realm and changed physical facts, quote, unquote, physical circumstances. The physical world shifted and moved in response to this other realm, the unseen realm, and boom, look what happened. And guys, I'm telling y', all, everyone's. Not everyone, but a lot of people freaking out chemtrails and spike protein MRNA stuff, and they're putting it in our food. And we got my. I just read today, microplastics found in the fertility fluid of female and males, humans at this certain level. And all this contamination in the world and just the. All of it, I mean, if you let will put you into despair. But then remember what I just said that Jesus did. He changed these realities, these facts in the physical realm through bringing the heavenly realm into this physical realm. And that's what we're supposed to be doing. That's the solution. That's the answer. Maha is great, but Maha ain't gonna do this. The kingdom of God is gonna bring the answer. And all of creation is groaning and waiting and crying for the sons of God, neither male nor female, to stand up and act like Jesus act, but not act, believe. And I think you say it in the book Disciples not just going to act like he actually is going to believe how Jesus believed. And then the fruit will come that. [00:56:55] Speaker B: Might help people with this is. I had gotten up in the middle of the night. This was back in the 1990s. And I was waiting on God because sometimes he wakes me up and wants me to pray for something specific. And I felt like he just said he was referring to after he died. And he came into the locked room where the disciples were, and he reminded me of that scripture. And I just felt like he said, do you know how I got into that locked room? And I said, well, you were dead, so you didn't have any substance so you could walk through walls. Because I was thinking about the old, you know, ghost movies I'd seen as a kid. And he just goes, no, I'm more real than the wall. And I was trying to get my brain around that. And he said, the Creator cannot have less substance than the creation. And I realized that the spirit realm has always seemed insubstantial. And this natural realm felt the most real. And it is real, but it can't have more substance than the Creator. And everything shifted because then I was able to put more faith in the unseen realm of God's kingdom and what he can do versus what my natural senses were picking up. And so, you know, just, you know, if I could help anybody, just remind yourself, the realm of the spirit created this realm. Therefore it has more power and influence than this realm. That's why we can have faith in God. [00:58:48] Speaker A: Well, that reminds me of that verse. The mindset on the physical, on the five senses, on this natural realm, on the carnal leads to death. Yeah, but the mindset on the spirit leads to life. View all things from the heavenly viewpoint, heavenly perspective. Bring God's will in heaven, on the. Into the earth. I mean, the. The Lord's Prayer, I mean, there's. It's all through the Bible. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. And then we've got to walk it out. Another from page 109 in my notes I wrote here. We can either view live from our past experience in a mortal point of view, or from the spirit and a resurrected point of view. That's what it boils down to. We got to know who we are, know where we're seated, know where we should be coming from, and bringing that into this physical realm instead of staying stuck down here and let these emotions that we have point us as a Signpost of like a blinking neon arrow light pointing to something deeper to go explore. And have the Holy Spirit reveal that truth to you so you can be transformed by the renewing of your mind. [01:00:04] Speaker B: Yes. So good. [01:00:08] Speaker A: Wendy, this has been great. Thank you for seeking the kingdom, for being who God made you to be and for putting it all down on into word form in these books for the benefit of. Of us and generations to come. Although there may not be that many more generations. I think we're coming to a point real soon, but not gonna get into that right now. Yeah. But thank you. So how can people find more of you? Get the books, your website, what, support you, all that stuff. [01:00:43] Speaker B: Yes. You can get all of my books and my husband's books off of Amazon, but our website is igniting hope.com and that's the victorious emotions. Yeah. So igniting hope.com. get you there. [01:01:10] Speaker A: Awesome. Well, they're. They're good. Great reads. Easy reads. Not super long, you know, short chapters, all that, but excellent, excellent book books. Highly recommend them. So y' all get there and check it out. Wendy, thank you again for joining us and for all you do and would love to have you back someday. [01:01:28] Speaker B: Great. Thank you for what you're doing. [01:01:31] Speaker A: Well, you're welcome. For God's glory, so people can be set free, be well and go be who God made you be and not need a doctor. That's the goal. So, guys, thank you. And we'll spread this if y' all help us spread it to all your friends, your family, your coworkers, whoever. Get the word out. It's on all the platforms and YouTube and Spotify and all that kind of stuff. So we'll be back next week with another great show. Remember, you're the Cure. I'm Dr. Ben Edwards. See you next time. Bye. Bye.