God Speaks (replay) | Mark Morgan

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey guys, welcome to this week's show. I've got a few announcements before we jump in real quick with one of my favorite podcasts, Mark Morgan, on hearing God's voice, we definitely need to if you don't think God speaks, you're going to love this podcast. If you don't think you hear from God, you're going to love this podcast because you'll learn that he does and you can. And we need to hear him to interpret so we know how to interpret. All these things happening in the world right now, all these crazy things we've been talking about on the podcast this year and and more crazy to come. But real quick announcements and then we'll jump in. Needyourcure.com check it out. The 2026 Conference, August 14th 15th in Oxford, Mississippi. You can get your tickets now. I'm going to be a great conference with Sue Becker and the Gang. The Mindful Market. For you local Lubbock folks, that's going to be a great Little Market. Saturday, June 20, 11am to 3pm 1213 Crickets Ave. It's a summer pop up featuring holistic, holistic handmade non toxic goods from local vendors including the Market Veritas. So if you're local, y' all go check that out and support that group. It's a great group there. The Mindful Market. And then Wise Traditions Conference that'll be in October, Washington D.C. at the Omni Shoreham Hotel, October 16th through the 18th. I'll be speaking but there will be some really great speakers. Thomas Massie will be there, Dr. Joe Lapato, Joel Salatan, Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride's coming this year, Dr. Chris Kenobi. But you can go to wise traditions.org see the entire speaker lineup, get your tickets. I think they should be on sale now. Okay guys, that's it for the announcements. Oh one more actually for the widows from Never Alone Widows conference, which I was honored to speak at in February in Atlanta. And we are going to be doing you're the Cure on our nine module course. We're going to do it together as a group. So for all the widows out there that are part of that group and if you're not part of that group, you can sign up and be a part. It's amazing group. What Rachel and the team do is incredible. Check them out on Instagram. Never lone widows, never loan widows website also. But you need you can purchase that at a discount this month in June because we're going to start the study in July. It'll be every Sunday night We'll talk through it. One of our the Veritas Wellness Navigators will be there live in the Zoom meeting. I'll be there on the very final Sunday night of that study. So if you're one of the never lone Widows, be sure to check that out and get your discounted. You're the cure course. Okay, we'll jump straight to the show. Thanks, guys. Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of you're the cure. I'm Dr. Ben Edwards. We've got a great show. Got Mark Morgan here today with us from Grace Fellowship Church executive pastor. That's in Paradise, Texas, is. We'll bring Mark on here in just a second. And the topic today is going to be all about the mitochondria being in tune with the truth. The most important factor for your mitochondrial health in my opinion, is right between your eyeballs, your thoughts really between your ribs, your, your heart thoughts, your heart beliefs. So we're going to continue. We've been on this course for a while now. If you've been a listener to the podcast for a while, you know that I really shifted maybe a year ago, God said, flip this thing. Peace pillar first, this mitochondria is not going to be tuned up fully and be efficient and make the energy it needs at the cellular level when we're believing a lie. So that's what we're talking about today. But before we do that, real quick, I know we have lots of new listeners and I always want to give a nod to the physical stewardship part of things. And just I want you to remember that's still important. I'm not discounting that, but we've talked about that for 10 years. We've. Most of these podcasts have been stored and archived on our website. And you can go there. Veritas wellnessmember.com or veritasmedical.com will get you there, too. Hit the resource button. Go to podcasts and there's a topical menu. You just hit topics and all these topics, regenerative agriculture, vaccines, heart health, cholesterol testimonies. Lots of awesome testimonies on there. All kinds of good topics. Root canals. I just had a patient today, prostate cancer and he's getting treated for his prostate cancer. But he sees us because we're trying to tune up his terrain, tune up his immune system, his immune system designed to detect cancer better than any cancer detection test you'll ever find outside of your body. Your internal cancer detection system's amazing. And then the killing system, cancer killing cells get engaged when the Cancer detection cells detect that cancer and it's the most amazing cancer killing system known to man. So in this gentleman, obviously both those systems were not working properly. So he came to us and lo and behold, he's got multiple root canals, multiple cavitations. So a cavitation is just a pocket where maybe a wisdom tooth was pulled when you were younger or you had a cavity and got a root canal. That's a dead tooth. There's no blood supply, there's no nerve, but you get cavitations, they're pus pockets. And to quote him today, the dentist went after this one root canal and got the cavitation opened up. And he said she started almost puking, kind of dry heaving and convulsing because of all the gangrenous pus that came out of his, this abscessed tooth. He didn't even know because there's no nerve, there's no pain. But his immune system was so distracted by all these seven different cavitations in his mouth that just cleaning that up is going to help his immune system, help his terrain. You can go listen to those podcasts on root canals. There's a dental topic on the topical index. It's Dr. Stanley was and Dr. Will Cole, two different dentists we've had on. Go, go do that. Go listen to that. You know Georgie Dinkoff, I've had questions about what about adding carbs back in the diet. Are you really supposed to do that once you gain weight? Go listen. Georgie Dinkoff, I interviewed him once or twice about nutrient dense food, God, food versus man food. So, Carrie B. Listen, that podcast on sunlight. So these are great things to know from a stewardship standpoint. We're not ignoring that. We've talked about that for 10 years. What I'm saying is you'll hit a ceiling. And in fact, I've seen people really, this might sound horrible, but making holistic health and eating and all that, almost like a God or an idol, I mean they absolutely elevate that thing and they, they put their whole energy and focus and they, they expect that thing to keep them, well, perfectly. But it's a control thing. And human beings, it seems to me, and we'll ask Mark here in a minute what he thinks. They love to be in control because then they can hopefully accurately predict that tomorrow they'll be provided for and they'll be protected, they'll be safe and secure. We have this addiction to this fear of not being protected, not being provided for, this poverty mindset, this scarcity mentality and the world just tempts us to go this way and think this way. And so we latch on to what we can do and control through diet and supplements and red light therapy. I was interviewed this week by another podcaster and wanted my opinion on red light therapy. Well, my opinion is there's some cool gadgets, there's some saunas, there's lamps and bulbs and different things. This one specifically was for ibs. You could put a red light on your belly and. And there was a study that showed it improved IBS symptoms. So those are all great. My answer was a Sunlight has all the wavelengths that we need, more beneficial than just that narrow therapy, but nothing wrong with it, and utilize that if you need to for a symptom. So I'm just laboring this point a little bit because I want you to understand I haven't just gone off this tangent of, oh, all he talks about is God and peace. Now, we do address these other things, but we've addressed them ad nauseam for years. And so I'm going to continue to focus on because I feel like the Lord really honed in and says if you miss this and if you don't make it the priority, seek the kingdom first, you're going to be set up. You're still at risk. We talk about minimizing patients risk for future bad outcomes. And there's a huge blind spot if we don't go after the mitochondria. From the standpoint of your heart, is programming your mitochondria, the thoughts of your heart, program the mitochondria. And that's a spiritual endeavor. Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. So we're going to talk about that today. I met Mark a couple weeks ago. Was it Mark? I think Mark's and his wife Jenny, they're in a group that's doing some amazing stuff in the Dallas Fort Worth area, starting some companies, doing some things. And we'll talk about that on a future show. Maybe have some of those other team members on to talk about a water company there. They've launched and it's almost ready to come to market, I think. But so I was there just giving a talk to the board and some of the employees and on the team met Mark there, went to lunch with him and his wife, had a great conversation. Honestly didn't even know what church until a minute ago asked him to give me his bio. I don't normally just fly, you know, by the seat of my pants so much. But Mark said something in the conversation at lunch and I thought Man, I'd love to hear more about that, but I know my patients and listeners are going to want to hear more about this, too. And it's regarding these foundational principles of hearing from the Holy Spirit and then being obedient in that. So we're going to get into that today. But, Mark, before we do, I also want to just open it up. Number one, thanks for joining us. I know you're a busy guy, so appreciate you giving some of your time to us today and your insights and wisdom. Another thing on Mark, I didn't mention Jamie Winship and Mark have been friends for eight or 10 years, I think you said Mark, but just kind of introduce yourself to the audience as much as you want. As far back as you want to go in your life story and your testimony and, and how you hooked up with Jamie and what you're doing now. And then specifically the question or the comment you made at lunch that made me want to have you on today. [00:10:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. Well, great. Thanks for having me. I, I could sit and listen to you talk the whole time. And, and I feel like I have a thousand questions for you. When we had lunch, my wife had to tell me to quit talking because she's like, she, he's gotta go. And I had, I had a whole list of 100 other questions I wanted to ask you so, man, I can sit and listen to you. I learned so much just, just even hearing you intro today. And, you know, I've gone back and listened to several of your podcasts since we did, since we had lunch a couple weeks ago, and great stuff. I appreciate what you're doing. So. And I'll admit when, when you asked me to be on your podcast, I thought, what did I say? That he would, that he would want me on his podcast. So. And I was rewinding my conversation, so it was good. So thanks for having me. [00:11:11] Speaker A: Yeah, you bet. [00:11:13] Speaker B: Yeah. So a little bit of my history. I grew up in Ohio and grew up in a really great Christian family. Have no complaints about my upbringing. Really solid Christian parents that raised me and learning the Bible and, you know, plugged into church and parents that serve, they taught us to serve and love other people and all that good stuff. And so great, great upbringing. Went off to college, went to Grace College in Indiana, which is a very conservative Christian college, and played some basketball and baseball there when I was there. And, and then when I graduated, moved to Dallas, Texas to work with my uncle. I was in sales for 11 years with him. Straight, straight commission outside sales for 11 years. And during that time I found a church that was a fair, a fairly Young Church, about 400 people in attendance at the time. And the church just got really, really caught my attention. It was different than anything I'd experienced at that point as far as church goes. And there was so much life in this church and so much life change happening and, and so I got plugged in and pretty quickly found myself leading singles ministry and before there was ever a pastor at that church. And next thing you know, I'm leading the singles ministry and did that for several years. That's actually where I met Jenny and we dated for a couple years and then got married and then we started leading married ministries at the church because I knew so much about marriage at that point. And anyhow I got to be part of this church that just took off like a rocket ship, ended up being just a monster of a church and got to do some launch multi site and run a camp and retreat center for a little bit and all that kind of good stuff. And so, but fast forward here years. I ended up in full time ministry. I went, I went on staff there and ended up being in full time, a full time pastor on staff the church. And so I've been doing that now since 2003. So I've been in full time ministry for 21 years at this point and I've loved it. I love it. I had some very difficult times in it too. I've experienced some hurt in it. All the, all that good stuff kind of to, to bring it to this point though, actually where this intersects with Jamie Winship, um, is probably about, um, I'm gonna say about seven years ago. I've been at this church now nine years, about seven years ago. I just, I don't, can't even fully explain it, but I was miserable internally. And I think if you looked at my life on the external, you would say it appeared that I was successful at least in the ministry world and had done some really fun things and big things and all the stuff. But internally I was, I was miserable and to the point that one day my prayer became, and excuse this if this offends you, but my prayer to God was finally God, this sucks. And that literally was my prayer that day. And but now I know that was a confession, that was a confession to God to just go, this has got to be better than this. And that prayer developed over the next few days into me telling God, you know, I'm not blaming you God, but you say that you sent Jesus so that we could have life and have it abundantly or have it overflowing. And I said, so there's only two options. Either this is as good as it gets, in which case I'm super disappointed in you. That's what I told God. Or. Or that really is true, and I just haven't discovered what the abundant Life is. So I said, but I. But I know you're too good of a God for this to be the abundant Life. That's what I do know. And so I began to ask him, will you show me what the abundant Life is? Will you just show me what that is? Will you show me how to find that, to live that, to know what that is? And then, through a series of interesting circumstances, I had actually heard some talks from Jamie Winship from a several years prior. But at this moment, a friend of mine who I hadn't talked to in a couple years calls me and says, mark, hey, man, just checking in. How are things going? And, you know, we start talking and conversation leads to me being pretty honest with them, telling them where I am. And as I'm telling them this, he goes, hey, do you remember that Jamie Winship guy? And I'm like, well, yeah. And he said, man, I've been listening to some of his stuff. I'm going to send you two talks, want you to listen to him. So I did that. And, man, when I listened to him, you know, it's just those. It was just nailing exactly where I was, what I needed to hear. And through that, we just. My friend said one day, hey, why don't I wish we could. I wish we could get in touch with this guy. I'm like, oh, let's try. So I go searching around, found an email address for Jamie and. And ended up on the phone with Jamie a couple days later. Jamie had a great conversation, and, man, he went right to the heart of the matter on the first talk, asking me what my greatest fear was. And we had. I had a great experience. I was just standing right there on my back porch talking to him. So that led to me really digging into this idea of identity and who did God really create me to be? And began to discover that the reason I wasn't experiencing the abundant life was because I was trying to be what other people expected of me. And what God began to reveal to me was that I was allowing the men that I served under, which happened to be lead pastors, the. The lead pastors that I've served under, I was allowing them to squeeze me into their mold for me, becoming the leader I thought they wanted me to be. And that made me miserable. [00:17:33] Speaker A: Yeah. And. [00:17:35] Speaker B: And God even told me that is offensive to me. And he wasn't. It wasn't an angry voice. It was just. That's offensive to me. And I'm like, okay, why? He said, because I'm the only one that gets to tell you who you are, because I'm the one that made you. I know exactly who I made you to be. So don't go be asking. Don't. Don't go ask anyone else. Don't let's squeeze you into their mold. And, you know, and all that he was saying, I want you to respect authority. I want you to, you know, to honor your leadership and that kind of stuff, but do not get your identity from them. Get it from me. And the deeper fear and all that was, the fear that I began to learn that I was carrying was that because I allowed those men to squeeze me into the mold they had for me, I had a fear of authority in that I believed that my destiny lied in their hands, which God also told me. That's also offensive to me because that's not true. Your destiny lies in my hands. And I can do with the heart of a leader whatever I need to do with the heart of a leader. And if I had time to talk to you for two hours, I'd tell you the whole story of how he literally then showed me, watch what I can do with a leader's heart. And he took a couple situations and just did a 180 with them while I wasn't even watching. And in all of that, was working on helping me discover this identity, the one that he created me to be in my mother's womb. Or I would actually say who he created us to be before time began. Now, so that kind of brings us to maybe the. The question that you asked about hearing God's voice or listening to God's voice as I was beginning to talk to Jamie. And I would say that Jamie was a mentor to me. I don't know if he'd say that he was my mentor or not. We didn't have like an 8, 8 o' clock on Monday morning meeting, but we communicated back and forth a lot. And he really coached me through that process over. Over several years. And. But very early on, it challenged something in me because I began to think, wait, if I'm gonna figure out who God made me to be. There's no Bible verse that tells me specifically who God made me to be. There's plenty of Bible verses that talk about who we are in Christ, which Dr. Edwards and I have talked about that. That's corporate identity. That's true of every follower of Jesus. Right. We're righteous, we're holy. We're already seated at the right hand of God. There are so many beautiful truths in that, but that's true of anybody who's a follower of Jesus. But there's a really specific identity, the unique, one of a kind individual that God made me to be and he made you to be. And this is the identity that Jamie began to talk about. Well, there's no Bible verse to tell me that my identity is whatever. And it all of a sudden realized, wait, that means I have to be able to hear God's voice. I have to be able to hear God's voice if I'm going to hear him tell me my identity and even tell me what his name is for me. So that set me on this path. Because, Dr. Adams, I don't know about you, I think you were probably raised similar. I was raised in. I think it would probably be a cessationist theology where, in essence, the. The sign gifts have ceased. And really, in my church background, they wouldn't have come right out and said that God doesn't speak. But yet that is kind of what they believe, is that God has said everything he's going to say, and it's recorded in Scripture. So if you want to know what God's going to say, go read the Bible. Okay. And that's true to a degree, but that started this, started the process for me to go, wait a minute. If this is a real relationship, if this relationship with God, with this relationship with Jesus, if it's real, what kind of relationship is that? That if. When I have a question, Dr. Edwards, what kind of friendship would you and I have? If I had a question and I called you and you go, that, go read my book. Go read my book. It's in the book. Yeah, that might be helpful, but it wouldn't be much of a relationship. Right. I don't think I'd be able to call that a friendship. [00:21:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:57] Speaker B: And that's what we believe about God. [00:22:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:00] Speaker B: And I started going, wait a minute. If this is a real relationship, maybe he does talk. Maybe he does talk. Maybe he still talks. And so I just really began to deal with even what I had been taught my whole life. And. And I'm not putting that down in any way. I love the churches I was raised in and the Bible that I was taught and all that, but it sent me on this path man, to really begin to dig into Scripture and go, okay, I'm going to look in Scripture and see, does this indicate that God is a God who still speaks? And man, I studied it for a long time and I can emphatically say, yes, God speaks, God speaks. And I, I really think, for me, as I dug into it, what I discovered is where a lot of the confusion happens over this topic is it's the translation from the Hebrew and the Greek to English. Very hard to translate English. I mean, Greek is a very beautiful and picturesque and powerful language, and Hebrew is a very different language than the English. And so to get a good translation. But the problem is in our Bible, we, we read the Word, right? And we automatically, because of how we've been taught, we automatically think, oh, that means Scripture, right? If somebody comes to you and says, hey, have you, have you been reading the Word? Then you immediately go, they're talking about the Bible. Or if you hear, hey, somebody's going to come and talk to us from the Word today, you automatically believe, hey, they're going to talk to me about the Bible, right? So we hear that term, the Word, and we, we say, okay, the Bible. But what if somebody says, do you obey the Word? See, we still go, oh, that's the Bible, but it may not be. And so it's got me digging into like the original language, Logos, rhema, graphe, and then in the Old Testament, I think it's Hebrew, it's debar, and there's another word. I don't know. We could, we could get into that if you want to. But what I found is I. As I dug into those words, what I found out was that they all mean Logos, Rama, they, they both mean when something is spoken or when it's uttered. And so then I began to go and look at all of these verses that talk about the Word and started looking at, is that rhema? Is that Logos? What's that really mean? And I think I got to the point where I thought, well, Logos is, I don't know, may maybe you can speak into this. But I think most people that have studied this then begin to say, well, Logos means the Bible and Rama means when God speaks to you or reveals something specific to you. I don't know if that's. [00:24:53] Speaker A: Yeah, basically, yeah. [00:24:56] Speaker B: But really, if you go look at the definition of both words, they actually are very hard to differentiate from one another. And if Logos means Scripture, then what do you do with John 1:1 where it says in the beginning was the Word, which is Logos, in the Beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was God. Wait, is that the Bible? Oh, no, that was much bigger than the Bible, and we couldn't even give it a name. Right. And so it's like, wait a minute. Maybe that's not what it's always talking about. So I just want to be real careful as we talk today that. That when I start talking about this, I'm not putting scripture down or. Or de. Elevating scripture. I think scripture is still vital and important and crucial. But I just want to make the point that man, if this is a real relationship with a real God, what sets him apart from every other God out there is that he is a living God and it's a real relationship. And he does still speak. [00:26:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:26:04] Speaker B: So did you have. [00:26:05] Speaker A: Well, I was just gonna say, looking at Jesus's life, Jesus comes to reveal the Father. And I see a big portion of what Jesus was doing was just show us, guys, here's how you do this thing. Here's how a human being operates in the physical realm. And he was constantly going off and talking to and listening and getting marching orders. Only do what I see my father doing and only say what I hear my father saying. And then, boom, he got his. His orders, basically, for the moment, for the day. Well, if we're supposed to follow him, we're supposed to mimic him, do what he did, you know, be a Christ like little Christ, like ones. How can you take that piece out? I mean, it's crucial, like you said, the relationship. But that was just my thought when you said that. [00:26:49] Speaker B: Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. He was. He was giving us the model of how we. We should live, too. [00:26:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:55] Speaker B: Only do what the Father tells me to do. Right. I only say what the Father tells me to say. So. So I'll share this. I mean, there was a verse that, as I was studying all this, that really became the verse that I would say was my deep conviction in this matter. And it is in John 5, 37, 40. And this is Jesus talking to the Pharisees. And here's what he says to him. He says, and the Father who sent me has himself born, witness about me, his voice you have never heard. His form, you have never seen. And you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe the one whom he has sent. You. Search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life. And it is they that bear witness about me. Yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. And man, when I read that Verse that day. I thought, you know, what was Jesus most concerned about here? Because these guys knew scripture. These guys knew scripture. You know, I don't know, you know, if you were going to be a Pharisee, as I understand it, you had to memorize what we know as the first four books of the Bible. Right. Genesis, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus and numbers. You had to have that memorized. You think about that. These guys knew scripture inside and out. And he was saying, but the problem is you know scripture like nobody else. And I'll give you credit for that. But here's the problem. You've never heard his voice and you've never seen his form. And by the way, I'm standing right in front of you and you don't recognize me. [00:28:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:36] Speaker B: This is what the scripture is about, and you don't even recognize me. But I thought it was interesting in that he was concerned that you've never heard his voice. Yeah, congratulations. You know scripture, but you never heard his voice. And that was his concern right here. And I thought, oh, my gosh, that's me. [00:28:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:52] Speaker B: I'm not saying I'm a scholar of scripture or whatever, but I knew the Bible pretty well. I've been taught the Bible my whole life. And I thought, and I don't know if I've ever heard his voice, and that. That was the thing that really convicted me. So. Yeah. [00:29:06] Speaker A: Well. And that kind of reminds me too, of we knowing stuff intellectually versus knowing it in our heart. [00:29:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:16] Speaker A: And going all the way back to God, talking to Nathan to tell David, hey, you can build this temple if you want to, but there's no house you can build. It'll hold. Hold me. But one of your descendants is going to build a spiritual house of living stones. And I'm going to write my word on their heart. [00:29:33] Speaker B: Yep. [00:29:34] Speaker A: To get it written on your heart and not just in your intellect. Yeah. Holy Spirit has to be involved. And the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. This is a huge, huge point, because we can study, study, study. And even in the medical health realm and the things in the natural. I was mentioned earlier, you can know all the perfect diet, supplements, exercise, red light therapy, get your root canals out, know it intellectually, know all the things to do. But this deeper thing of knowing who you are, what you were talking about while ago, and your own identity and so why the Jamie Winship identity stuff is just so crucial, I believe because your mitochondria, if you're. You're my. You can't lie to your mitochondria that's right. When you believe a false identity, you believe your. Whatever your senior pastors were trying to force you into believing you were. I mean, not intentionally maybe, but your mitochondria pick up on that. There's a discontentment, lack of peace, lack of ease, lack of just true peace and joy that can only come. I believe when Holy Spirit writes God's law on your heart, his word on your heart, his. In the moment for you personally, your personal unique circumstances going on, he can move in that situation, in, aha moments, what I call it, you get an aha moment. And only Holy Spirit can do that. [00:30:52] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. It's a I. And this will be a whole nother topic for another day. But it's this idea of when something moves from, you know, your head to your heart, I say it moves from intellect to belief. [00:31:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:06] Speaker B: And there's something about belief that's beyond just the intellectual knowledge of it. Right. It's the. It's the. The full acceptance of it, fully accepting it, and it. And I think it becomes part of your subconscious almost when it becomes belief. [00:31:20] Speaker A: Yeah. And the Pharisees knew about God, really. They knew the scriptures, knew about God, but to know them in a personal belief level of. [00:31:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:32] Speaker A: And that's why Jesus came. Y' all haven't seen this invisible God. Well, I've come to show you him. If you've seen me, you've seen him. I've come to reveal him. Look at my life. Look at how I act and speak and react. And there, now you know how to interpret that written word through my life. Key point, key point. But Holy Spirit can now do that in our personal life. Let me show you God's viewpoint in this situation. How would Jesus see that person, see this conflict, see this relationship, see this situation here? And boom, it comes in your heart. Yeah. [00:32:08] Speaker B: When I think about it, even after. After talking to you a couple weeks ago, it was, you know, listening to your four pillars of health, and I was thinking about, even, like, when we get sick, our tendency is run right away to the medicine cabinet or call our doctor or whatever. And what we really should do is stop and say, God, I don't feel well. What do you want me to know about this? And what do you want me to do about it? And maybe even say, would you heal me of this? Right. Maybe start there. And so I think listening to God, even in how to care for yourself, he can even speak to us about that. [00:32:47] Speaker A: Yes, I believe it a hundred percent. And. And it's Kind of foreign concept to go through what you just did for patients to think, wait, let me first ask the Holy Spirit before I call Dr. Edwards. [00:32:58] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:33:00] Speaker A: Yeah. But that's where we're going. I think that's where we need to go. [00:33:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:03] Speaker A: That's why we're in such a mess that we're in. We've accidentally, through deception and submitted to this system that's not kingdom. And I'm not saying there's not great people that love Jesus in the system, but through deception, I was in it. I went to school thinking they would teach me everything there is to know to help people. They taught me narrowly that narrow teaching has some benefit. Pharmaceutical and surgical intervention narrow. There's a time and place, but they didn't teach me that there are all these other modalities, and ultimately that we're way more than physical cells. There's this quantum piece, this supernatural piece, and as you think in your heart, so are you. Is actually true. [00:33:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:45] Speaker A: And getting people to go there, believe that in their heart, know that. But a key point, and I don't want to stop your story, but obviously hearing God's voice. Well, number one, you had to search the scriptures and see that he's there's relationship, and he still speaks, as is kind of where you landed eventually. [00:34:02] Speaker B: Yeah, well. And it was important for me of like, hey, if I'm going down this path to discover identity, then this requires me to listen to God or hear God's voice. Do I actually believe that he speaks? And I actually think he'll speak to me. That's also a great question. And so as I was studying this, I was leading some men's mentoring groups and around some groups of guys and whatever, and I just started going, I wonder what other people think about this, you know? And so I just found it really interesting. I'd walk into these men's groups and go, hey, guys, I'm just curious, you guys, do you guys believe that God speaks? And without fail, they would go, yeah, yeah, I do. I go, oh, okay. So, like, how often do you hear from God? Oh, yeah, man. Not. Not. Not a lot. Okay, well, when. Like, when's the last time you heard God speak? Oh, man, it was like two years ago. My wife and I were. Blah, blah, blah, you know, And God's. I heard God say whatever. Oh, okay. So doesn't talk a whole lot. Occasionally, maybe he talks. You kind of maybe think maybe he does speak, but not very often. [00:35:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:22] Speaker B: And I go, okay, well, do you think the enemy speaks and they Go, oh yeah. Hear the difference? Yeah, hear the difference. Do you think God speaks? Well, I mean, yeah. You think the enemy speaks? [00:35:38] Speaker A: Yes. [00:35:40] Speaker B: And I started going, wow, okay. How often does the enemy speak? All the time. I hear the enemy all the time. I'd be like, oh, okay, when's the last time the enemy spoke to you? On the way here. Like on the way here, I was hearing and I'm going, oh my gosh. Okay, guys, you see the problem? You see the problem? I mean, even if we believe God speaks, we think it's just super hard to hear him. He doesn't speak that often, and yet there's an enemy and you kind of think the two things on your shoulder. But I've got an enemy over here who can't speak anything but lies and deception to me. And I can hear him clear, loud and clear. And I know his voice. [00:36:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:18] Speaker B: I've got God who created me, who loves me, who knows me, and he has nothing to say about it. Well, I don't know. I think we need to rethink this, you know, and so that just, I just started stirring this even more to me, you know, so, so that's where I came up to, just through a lot of study and asking God, will you show me? Because I want to teach this. This is what. And I feel like God told me, I want you to teach this. God clearly told me a few years ago, I think I shared this with you, that he said, mark your future, what you're going to spend most of your time doing is, is teaching people how to hear my voice, how to discover their true God given identity, and then how to live that out in my kingdom. And, and so that's kind of been my passion over the last several years. And so in the process of that, I created just what I call six steps to learning to hear God's voice. Six steps to learning how to hear God's voice. And I say it that way because I don't, I want, I want everybody to get to the point as they begin to listen to God's voice, that they're not thinking about the six steps. It just becomes a natural conversation for them. But what I found is early on these were the six steps that kind of God showed me, wrote them down. I've shared them with a lot of other people and, and typically I've found that they find this to be helpful. And again, my, my hope is they get to the point where they're not thinking six steps, they're just having a couple conversation with God all The time. [00:37:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:54] Speaker B: So you want me to jump into the six steps? [00:37:58] Speaker A: Yes, please do. [00:37:59] Speaker B: Okay, so step number one is believe. And I just say I start there because I can't make you believe that God speaks. And just like in my own life, I had, I had to come to a place of. I studied scripture, I talked to some wise people, I read some books, I researched, I dug into the Greek and the Hebrew. I did all of those things. So I came to a point where I felt without a doubt, without a doubt, I believe that God speaks. Right? And so, and I'll just give you a few verses that I think can help with somebody believing. John 10, 3, 4. It says to him, the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice. The sheep hear his voice. And he calls his own sheep by name, and he leads them out. When he is brought out all his own, he goes before them and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. And so very clear passage in scripture right there in John that, that he speaks to us. Man, if you want to have fun, go dig into the Greek words for word. Go look at logos and rhema graphe. You can go look at the Old Testament words which are what? Debar. The Hebrew words, debar and imra. That all are translated as word in our scripture. I think one that's, that's really important. This was a verse that as I was growing up, I felt like it was always used. I don't know if it was intended that way, but it applied pressure to me to be sure that I knew God's word. In other words, know the Bible because it's your one weapon, right? And, and it was Hebrews 4:12. It says, for the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And now if you go read that in the Amplified Classic translation of the Bible, I think they translate it properly. Properly is it says, for the word that God speaks is alive and full of power. Okay, so all of a sudden you go, well, yes, that includes the Bible, because the Bible is God's word recorded, right? So again, it's not diminishing scripture, but it's saying, but it could be more than that. It could be when he speaks directly to you, man, that goes right to the heart of the matter. Right? When God speaks to you, it goes right to the heart of the matter. And so when you begin to really dig into these verses and see what they, what they really Mean, you start seeing it. The other one was just when I dug in, you know, the whole thing on the full. Put on the full armor of God and you get all the way down to the bottom of that armor and it says, and. And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit, which is what? The word of God. [00:40:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:52] Speaker B: Right. Now, if you're like me, I've been taught my whole life that the. Your Bible is your offensive weapon, and that's what you fight the enemy with. [00:40:59] Speaker A: That's the sword. Yeah. [00:41:00] Speaker B: Well, it's interesting that the word there for word is rhema, which would be when God specifically speaks to you. So the truth is that the helmet of salvation. Think saved, I'm righteous, I'm holy, you know, all those things. And. And the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God. And the idea is you have your shield of faith, but the enemy gets, every once in a while, gets a fiery dart past that shield of faith. It misses the helmet and it lands in your flesh. And the word for the sword there is actually a short sword. It wasn't a big sword that you do battle with. And one of the things that soldiers use that sword for was when one of the enemy's arrows landed in their flesh, they would take that sword and they would dig that. That arrow tip out. [00:41:50] Speaker A: Okay, wow. [00:41:51] Speaker B: So apply that to what it's saying here is, man, when the lie of the enemy gets past my shield of faith. [00:41:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:58] Speaker B: And it lands and I'm believing the lie, what's the way to deal with the lie? I have to go ask God. God. Oh. Oh, it landed. Here's what I'm believing. God, what do you want me to know about that? And then he takes the word, his word, and says, mark, that's not even true. I would never say that about you. And we just dig that thing out and pull it out. Right? That's the picture there. Right. [00:42:22] Speaker A: Wow, that's good. That's awesome. [00:42:25] Speaker B: So I just get back to, again, does God speak? Hey, first step is believe. Now, again, I can't make you believe. I think I can give you a lot of compelling reasons to believe. But first, believe. And here's what I've said to a few people who say, well, no, I don't believe that he speaks. Now, these are great Christians who know the Bible really well. And then if they tell me, no, I actually don't believe he speaks, then I say, then quit asking him questions. Why are you asking God questions if you don't think he speaks? And that. That'll sometimes get their attention of like, oh, yeah, I never thought about that. So that, that's as silly as walking over to this wall and asking it a question. Yeah, I don't think it's going to respond. You would never do that. [00:43:06] Speaker A: Right. [00:43:06] Speaker B: So, so yeah, step one is believe that he speaks. Step two then is get quiet. Get quiet. And you and I actually talked a little bit about this, I think. And so, and here's, here's what I want to approach on this. Get quiet. And this is where people I, I talk about this one because usually when I'm talking to people about hearing God's voice, they say, yeah, I want to hear God's voice, but his voice is always a still, small voice. And I just can't get quiet, quiet. I'm just not the kind of person that can just sit and be still and no distractions and just focus and hear his voice and see the, the problem with this is we've been taught, this is my opinion, so you can argue it, but my opinion is we, we've taken one passage of scripture and we've created an entire theology that God's voice is always a still, small voice. Is that how you typically hear it? [00:44:05] Speaker A: Yeah, no, not, not typically. [00:44:07] Speaker B: Not typically. [00:44:07] Speaker A: That's how I was taught. That's how. [00:44:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So typically that's how I hear people talk about, is that God's voice is always. And they use that word, always, still small. Okay, well, that comes from one passage in scripture and it's when Elijah was on the mountain and there was a, I forget what all. There was an earthquake and it says God wasn't in it. And there was a tornado, God wasn't in it. And a fish fire, and God wasn't in it. And then there was a still, small voice and God was in it. Right. But that's the only place in scripture where it refers to God's voice as a still, small voice. There literally are, I, I counted it one time, 50 some or 60 some passages of scripture that actually talk about God's voice being really loud and powerful. Like, like rushing water, like a roaring river, like crazy crashing waves, like thunder, all these things. And there are far more verses that talk about God's voice being loud and powerful than there are voices of his voice being quiet. But step two is get quiet. And the reason is because my experience has been my whole life, I've been taught that prayer is a two way conversation. Okay. Hey, prayer is a two way conversation. Today we're going to talk about prayer. Prayer and Then what they do is they spend the next 45 minutes teaching me about how to talk to God. Right. In my entire life, Dr. Edwards, I never had somebody teach me, here's how to listen to God. Now, I know some people are raised in other traditions, and they get that training. I literally went until I was, what, 48, 47 when I personally started digging into this myself, to ever find any teaching on. Here's how to hear God's voice. And I think one of the problems is from day one, when you had kids. From day one, when I had kids, I began to teach them how to talk to God. Right? Hey, we sit down at our meal, and we do a prayer, and we talk to God. We do our bedtime prayers, and we talk, you know, pray about the day, and we talk to God. So that gets modeled for our kids, not only taught, but modeled for our kids from day one. So most people, if they're raised in a Christian home, they're being taught how to talk to God all the time. But nobody has ever taught them how to listen to him, how to hear his voice. And we don't model that. Typically in our homes, we're not. We're not sitting around and saying, hey, let kids. Let's. Let's ask God what he wants us to do here. Hey, God, what do you think God has to say about this? This, you know, and so we're not. Not only. We're not teaching it, we're not modeling it. So the reason I talk about get quiet is because I think learn. We have to learn what his voice sounds like in the quiet so that when we get out into the craziness of life and the storms of life or in the middle of an argument or a intense meeting or something like that, we can hear the loud voice above all of that because we know what it sounds like. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:11] Speaker B: And so the. The picture that God gave me as I was thinking about this was a coach, coaches that I had throughout my life. I'll try to condense this. It was coaches that I had in my life as I played sports. And I thought I had some coaches that were yeller, some coaches that were completely quiet, whatever. But as I, God, showed me the picture one day that my whole life in sports, no matter what, whether I was on a field or on a court, above all of the noise, I could hear one thing, and guess what? It was my coach's voice. Now, how could I hear my coach's voice above the roar of the crowd and above plays happening and all that kind of Stuff. Well, I had learned how to hear his voice. I knew exactly what his voice sounded like from the quiet of practice. Right. So. So that's why step two is get quiet. That's where we begin to learn to hear what his voice sounds like. So when I talk about being quiet, I talk about, yeah, try to get to a quiet place where there's not distractions or whatever. You're like me, I've got six kids and three dogs, and I don't have any chickens and all that, so it's never completely quiet in my house, but I try to find the most quiet place I can. And then the second part of getting quiet is to quiet your soul. Just quiet your soul. What does it take to get you to just come down and quiet your soul? Some people that might be like, hey, I'm gonna listen to praise music for 15 minutes, then I'm gonna read some scripture, and then I'm gonna talk with God, you know? [00:48:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:42] Speaker B: For me, it's get up and get some coffee and let the dogs out and do a few things, and then I'll go over and sit down and. And then I'm ready to, you know, be quiet. So just get your soul quiet. So get to a quiet place. Get your soul quiet. And then the third one, I think super important, more important is then silence the enemy. Silence the enemy. Who wants to distract you. And I'm going to tell you the. One of the most dangerous things for the enemy is that you would actually be. Begin to hear God's voice, that you would actually begin to listen to God's voice and obey it. So the enemy absolutely would love to. To disturb you and keep you from hearing God's voice. But the good news is, as followers of Jesus, we have the authority to tell the enemy to be silent. Right. And I think Jenny Winship makes the point also in scripture. There's no example in scripture where somebody is talking to God and the enemy is allowed to interrupt. But I think that's important. And we'll tell you why here in a minute. So get. Get quiet. So that means get to a quiet place, quiet your soul, and silence the end. Okay. [00:49:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:47] Speaker B: So step three then is just focus on the face of Jesus. Focus on the face of Jesus. And this is where we use our imagination or the intuitive mind. And I like to encourage people, hey, just. Just look and imagine Jesus standing there in front of you. What's he look like? I'm just trying to get this figure. What's he look like? What's his facial expression? Is he walking towards you? Is he standing still? What's he doing with his hands? Right? And just try to get this picture of Jesus standing there. Jesus was the visible form of God, and so it's best for us to get a picture of who we're talking to. So use your imagination for that. And once you are picturing the face of Jesus, then ask your question. Ask the question. And one little, one little tip I give here is what I've learned, is that asking why questions maybe is not the best question to ask. But what questions are a lot better, right? So if you're going through something difficult and you're going, why God? Am I going through this? Why did you allow this to happen? I just found a lot of times I don't really hear God answer that. And I'm not saying he won't, and I'm not saying it's a sin to ask a why question, but I kind of have an opinion or a thought on it. Is I think God doesn't, maybe doesn't answer the why questions often because we can't handle it. If he told us why, we would freeze sometimes. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm not going there. But when we ask him what, he can just tell me, what's the next thing I need to do, right? So two questions. I think Jamie actually taught me these two great questions to ask is what do you want me to know? And then what do you want me to do? So it takes practice to begin to learn how to ask what questions instead of why. So instead of why, God is this happening to me? It's like, God, what are you trying to teach me in this? Or what am I believing that's not true about this situation, right? So you begin to ask those what, what questions? Instead of why. Okay, so that's. That was step four, ask the questions. And then this one might be a little weird for people, but I love it. I say, get in the flow. Get in the flow. And I take that from John 7:38, where it says, whoever believes in me, as the scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. And so the idea here is that as you're focusing on the face of Jesus and you ask him a question, just let whatever starts coming to your mind, write it down, right, whatever. Because I don't care how crazy it sounds, I don't care how, how nuts it is, how weird it is, how, whatever, write it down. Because you just literally asked him a question. Whatever comes to mind, go write it down. And, and, and I Get this question a lot. And I'm like, well, immediately this is where I get. Well, how do I. How do I know that's not my own thoughts? First of all, stop. Don't evaluate right now. This is not the time to evaluate whether this is your thoughts or the enemy interfering or whatever. Just go get in the flow and just whatever starts coming to mind, write it down. And. And my question, though is, well, doesn't Scripture say that if I'm a follower of Jesus, I have the mind of Christ? Oh, yeah, it does say that. So can he give me thoughts? Yeah. Are they my thoughts? Well, they are now. Right. So he can give me thoughts, he can give me emotions, he can give me hunches, he can give me senses. Baptist, we would say he's prompting me because we don't like to say God spoke to me, God prompted me. Whatever. God can give you all of those things, right? And so write those things down. So that's actually step number six. As you get in the step five was getting the flow. Step six is write it down. I found the writing piece. As much as my whole life, I. I hate to admit this, I was a. Probably not a great student in high school or college, a terrible note taker, hated taking notes. When I did take notes, I couldn't read what I wrote. I've tried the journal throughout my life, and it actually distracted me or detracted from my time with God more than it helps helped me. But when I began this process, I've got journals full now of six, seven years of when I listen to God, what I've written down. And I enjoy doing this because it's. It's God speaking, and I'm just writing it down. And I'll tell you, some days I write down one word. That's all I get. And there are other days it's like God backs the dump truck up and it's like, like. And I look down and I've written six pages of notes of all that. Same to me. So we don't control how much he says to us at all. But writing, you may know this is that there's. There's lots of science on the value of actually handwriting because it actually allows you to think at a much deeper level. It allows you to think much more clearly. It allows fluidity of thought to happen. It allows you to help connect dots when you begin to write. So there's a huge value in writing it down because it just takes you to a. To a much deeper level. And. And then the final piece of this is the reason for writing it down, is now we've gone through all six of these steps, right? So believe that he speaks. Get quiet, focus on the face of Jesus. Ask your question. Get in the flow. Write it down. Okay, six, six steps. And the importance of the write it down piece also is now when I'm finished listening to God about whatever question I asked, which I don't think you should ever finish, actually, but let's just say you're finishing that conversation now, you can go back. And this is why I said, don't evaluate what you're writing down before. While you're in the flow, just write down. Now go back and here's three questions to ask yourself. Is, okay, you read it and go, what does that sound like the enemy, if it does cross it out and then say, does this sound like me? Something I would say if it does cross it out? Or does this sound like something God would say? Okay, yeah, now I'm just going to say, I've been doing this for, I don't know, six, seven years now. I don't have one thing in my journal that I've ever gone back and crossed out. [00:56:30] Speaker A: Not one. [00:56:31] Speaker B: Because every time I go back and read it, I read it and go, okay, well, no, the enemy would never say that. And I don't even talk that way. Like, I would never say that. And so you go, only God would say. And it's always encouraging, challenging, inspiring, greater than I could think or imagine, you know, And. And that's when you know, oh, this. This is God speaking. And so I've just found that those six steps, again, when you're learning, beginning to learn how to hear God's voice, they were super effective for me. And I've just shared those with other people and have found that to be really helpful for them. [00:57:12] Speaker A: So that's awesome. Thank you for sharing that. That's exactly what I was wanting the audience to hear. And also because. And maybe we just have a few minutes left. But not doing this, not believing, not hearing. You know, I'm talking about the mitochondria getting programmed by our beliefs, our heart beliefs. And if what I'm saying is true, that just intellectually you can learn and study, learn and study, but would you say, I don't want to put words in your mouth, that this actually hearing God's voice for you, especially for your, Your unique personal situation and unique questions you're asking, is a foundational, key piece of getting heart change. And when we don't get the heart change and we're still in the intellectual. We still believe in a lie and we're going to autopilot respond and therefore drive conflict in life, end up in theological debates even. And just in an intellectual level. I mean, basically, the body of Christ, I'm saying, is going to be stuck, immature, knocked to and fro, divided all the things. When it's the body of Christ growing up, maturing up. Jesus is the head, the unique identities all coming together as one. 1 In Ephesians, the manifold wisdom of God going to be put on display to the spiritual forces in the heavenly realms by the church, which is his body. This seems pretty absolutely foundational. So do you see people personally just kind of stuck, not finding the transformation, staying in, you know, knocked to and fro and just divided and argumentative. Or whatever? Yeah, just not in a great place. This, this is like a must is what I'm getting at, I guess. [00:58:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:58:57] Speaker A: Would you agree with that? [00:58:59] Speaker B: Oh, man, I, I can't tell you how many times just here at church, somebody will come to me with that, hey, I'm in a rough spot in my life and I don't know what to do. And you can sit down with these people and they may be, they may be reading scripture, they may be doing all the spiritual disciplines and all that kind of stuff, but then you get down to. Have you asked God what he has to say about it? Well, I mean, I don't, I can't hear God. I don't know. I've asked, but I don't hear anything, whatever. And it's just amazing when I sit down with them and go, hey, let's just, let's just sit down together and let's just ask God about this and do it with them. Now I will say, if you're going to do that to somebody, you got to have extreme confidence that God's actually going to show speak. It's always a weird feeling. You're always thinking, man, I'm going to look crazy if he doesn't. God doesn't show up and speak, but, but he does. And to watch the light bulb, then the things begin to change and the light bulbs start coming on for those people when they hear from God. And I'm always amazed the stuff that God tells people because, you know, it's like, this is my problem. And then God says something over here that initially seems often totally unrelated. [01:00:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:06] Speaker B: But then you start digging into, okay, God, Will, you said this. What do you want me to know about that? Tell me more about that. And, and I watched that unpack over the next two or three days. And all of a sudden then they go, oh, that's why I'm having this problem over here. You're like, yes, beautiful. I couldn't have told him that. I'm not smart enough to figure out that that was going on under the surface in their life. God had, God had to say that to him. [01:00:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:32] Speaker B: And, you know, and sometimes it's. It's just him reminding them of a scripture. Right. It's just, hey, Mark, remember over here I said, seek my kingdom first and I'll give you all that stuff. Right, right. [01:00:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:44] Speaker B: Sometimes it's just him reminding me of the scripture, but yeah, I see it. Absolutely. Change lives. Yeah. [01:00:49] Speaker A: How important is it in your experience as a pastor and counseling folks getting to that true versus false identity? Because I'm thinking of it from the standpoint of you can't really counsel a false identity. I mean, you can, but it turns into, it seems like coping, coping, coping. Maybe tamp some stuff down, but it flares back up. It's. It's just ongoing reoccurring versus boom. Set free. [01:01:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:15] Speaker A: And that identity, true identity being a key piece of that transfer. [01:01:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:20] Speaker A: Transformation. [01:01:21] Speaker B: Absolutely. I think to put it in medical terms, it would be counseling. The false identity is like writing a prescription and suppressing the, the symptoms. But they're going to flare their head again. Right. Because we didn't deal with the problem. And the problem with most of us is we're walking around believing some core lies about oursel, about God, about other people that we're in relationship with or whatever. And until we have a tool to go in and, and expose what those lies are and dig those fears out and, and get rid of them and then let God tell us what's actually true. Right. True about me, true about him, true about the situation. Figure out who he truly made me to be. There's not a cure. If I don't figure that out, there's not a cure. And so you're right. Walking around with all this internal conflict, which is just going to result, result in all this external conflict out here in my life. And so, yeah, I mean, it's become, since I've been on this identity journey for, you know, six, seven years now, you can pretty much know if I'm going to sit down and counsel someone. I know that at some point in the conversation we're going down the path of identity and we're going to talk about that. And it is the game changer for people. [01:02:42] Speaker A: Yeah. And we don't have Time, Mark, maybe we. I'd love to have you back. Get on into some other subjects and even more on identity and. And give some real examples. I think I've shared on the show before. Some of them when I, God, showed me my false identity. [01:02:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:59] Speaker A: And what a counterfeit that was with my true identity. False identity being I'm right. True identity being dot connector. [01:03:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:08] Speaker A: Connecting dots for people. And that's a fine line because you can slip into. I'm gonna prove to you I'm right and that that's a different heart coming from a different motive. And rejection being in there too. And man pleasing and performance to try to not be rejected, but ultimately to be right. And. But anyways, really bring the practical. Here's how this manifests in a life, in a relationship, in a job, and. And just boom, chaos and conflict, which leads to fight or flight mode, mitochondria cortisol up, thyroid down, all the things physically. So like I said, we're about out of time, but there's so much more we could dive into, so I'd love to have you back someday. Thank you for joining us. Any last word? When are you going to write a book? Maybe. [01:03:52] Speaker B: Well, Jamie keeps asking me that too. I don't know. God's gonna have to talk to me about that, I guess. So. [01:03:57] Speaker A: There you go. All right. Okay. Well, thank you very much, Mark Morgan from Grace Fellowship in Paradise, Texas. Guys, I'm Dr. Ben Edwards. You're the cure. This will be, of course, on the podcast and on our website. We'll archive it there, share it with your friends. We're trying to help teach you how to not need a doctor and help be set free from both physical illness, mental, emotional. You're meant to be well. You're designed and programmed to be well. We were actually designed to be bathed in peace and joy. And when your mitochondria is. It will function like it's supposed to. So just encourage you to keep on your journey. Go on the physical stewardship journey, too. No problem. But go deeper, as we've talked about today. So we'll be back next week with another show. Thank you for joining us today. We'll see you next time.