Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Speaker A: Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of youf're the cure. I'm Dr. Ben Edwards. We've got a good show today. A topic we haven't really touched on before. Detoxification and biohacking, kind of in general, you might consider certain detox protocols, like a biohack kind of modality.
For those that aren't familiar with that word, biohack, we'll get into that. You know, historically, as you well know, as long longtime listeners will know for sure, I'm all about the foundation, not really the next fad thing. I'm all about our ancestral health. Our ancestors didn't have to biohack and didn't have to do all this extra stuff.
So if we can get back to ancestral eating, deep nutrition, diverse microbiome, sunlight, circadian rhythm, health with good sunlight exposure, movement, of course, resistance training, clean water, minerals in that water, structured water if possible. Just the best basics. And the body's already got the engineering and the blueprint, the DNA instructions, all of it to detoxify itself, to repair itself, to regenerate itself. We've got our own stem cells in the body. Why aren't they waking up and getting after it and going to your knee and growing new cartilage in the knee? Why, you know, why is the body being held back from doing what it's designed to do to fully heal?
Um, so that's where, you know, what we teach on, obviously. And when it comes to detoxification, you know, medical school, zero I got Z. That word I don't think even was mentioned.
So obviously in my conventional medicine, medical practice, we didn't talk about this at all. I didn't know anything about it. And in 2012, when my eyes were open to the fact there was some, some continuing medical education out there beyond the pharmaceutical backed cme, there were some holistic practices, specifically nutrition. I was not taught in school. Well, one of the first conferences I went to, there was some famous integrative practitioner up there on stage and he talked about this study from way back. And I pulled it up here. I think it was. Yeah, 2005, July 14, 2005, the Environmental Working Group did a study on 10American babies that were born. And just after delivery, they pulled that umbilical cord blood and they analyzed that blood because historically, doctors thought the placenta kind of protected the baby, was a filter and sort of protected it from all, any potential toxicity. What they found in 10 random babies born in August and September of 2004 in the United States. The test revealed a total of 287 chemicals in the, in that group, umbilical cord blood. Of these 10 children collected by the Red Cross after the cord was cut, they found pesticides, they found various consumer product ingredients, waste from burning coal, gasoline, garbage, just your basic toxic soup, many of which were carcinogens.
That was shocking to me in 2012 when I was at that conference and heard that. And of course I started digging into just how toxic are we? And that was way back in 2004, that study, I mean, 22 years ago.
So there's no telling. And of course, these days you're reading all about microplastics. I almost weekly read an article about microplastics in the atherosclerotic plaque in the coronary artery and the carotid artery. The plaque buildup, they biopsy that and they study it. There's all, there's microplastics, there's heavy metals like lead, there's certain germs like anaerobic bacteria from the root canal teeth and those toxins, mold toxicity from damage or water damaged buildings.
It's just toxicity everywhere you turn. Of course, out here in West Texas and just south of us, the Permian Basin, petrochemical stuff. Roundup. Roundup. Ready cotton.
So I think we're all well aware these days of we're living in a very toxic environment. So that's some of the questions I'll often get when I'm always talking about the ancestral approach to things and just eat, move and live, drink like your ancestors.
Well, our ancestors didn't have to deal with all this toxicity, so shouldn't we do some extra detoxification?
And so I'm open to that for sure. And in fact, we do do that in some of our patients, but it hasn't been a big focus of ours. So today we're going to dive in a little bit more with Jeff Hoyt. And Jeff is. Well, I'll let him tell his own story. But I found Jeff through, actually a fellow practitioner at a conference I was at, came up to me and said, hey, you really need to try this product called Zeo Charge. And I knew about zeolite, that's a generic term, we'll talk about what that is. But this specific product, Zeo Charge, this practitioner had great results with it. And so I checked it out and tried it, tried it on myself and some patients and started having some great results. So I wanted to bring Jeff on to talk about that product. But first, before we do that, just let Jeff, of course, tell his story and educate us on detoxification toxicity in our environment.
And, you know, there's other things to do besides just taking something. So we'll get into all that. So I hope you enjoy the show today. Jeff Hoyt, welcome. Thank you for joining us today.
[00:05:20] Speaker B: Absolutely. Thanks. Dr. Ben I'm really honored to be here and I'm looking forward to the conversation. It's going to be fun.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: Well, yeah, me too. I enjoyed talking to you the other day and getting to know you a little bit more. So just kind of share with our audience as much as you want to of where you were, how you got to where you are now and got into this field and just your own personal journey a little bit.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's kind of, you know, pain to purpose story like, like so many others in the, in the industry. And I, you know, just, I had a traumatic birth experience. So you could say just right off the bat, things just didn't go as planned.
And then I was on antibiotics for the first, you know, five years of my life. So you know what that does to your gut. Right. And then I had, I remember having just cried while my mom recall to me just the chronic pain that I experienced in my stomach. And I would tell her that the only thing that would relieve the pain is if she stuck her finger in my stomach as hard as she could and it would temporarily relieve the pain. This was not, you know, I was like 4 or 5 years old. And you know, we were praying and we were just, you know, believing for healing. And then we ended up having a God healed Jeffrey party when I was 7 years old because one day the pain was just gone. So, you know, we had this big thing and, you know, I was, I was pretty much good for a while. And you know, then, you know, there was an incident in high school. Had, you know, an injection. I went in for a high school physical to, to a clinic to you know, get some, just, just to get a physical to play tennis or some sport. And then they injected me with something and I was 18 at the time, so there was no parental consent and I didn't know any better. So anyway, that kind of put me on a downward spiral with my health. Developed kind of some autoimmunity, had some chronic recurring viral infections, just really knocked me out and wasn't, wasn't great. So at that point I started kind of looking into the natural medicine. And I'd never had insurance growing up at all. So I never, after the initial, you know, five years, just kind of stopped going to doctors because a lot of the advice they had given just wasn't the best. We kind of, you know, my parents kind of had, you know, just said, okay, we'll just kind of take care of this ourselves, which I'm thankful for and never had insurance. And then I. When I was in my early 20s, 21, 22, I got a job, and I had insurance for the first time. So I said, all right, let me give this conventional medicine a try, like so many others do. And I went. And of course, there wasn't a lot of help there. And they suggested I see someone to help with emotional health. And they said it was all stress and all these other things. And I said, all right, well, I know there's a little bit more than that. And then my buddy from work said, well, why don't you go see my doctor? He's a functional medicine practitioner. And I was like, well, what's that? And he's like, well, nothing's covered by insurance. It's really expensive. You pay out of pocket. And I was like, all right, let's do it. So I go there, right? And I'm like, you know.
And the practitioner recommended a food sensitivity test and a couple other things.
Just my introduction to functional medicine. I took the food sensitivity test. You know, I had 25 of these foods I was reactive to, and I thought that was pretty cool. I actually avoided those foods for three months. Felt a lot better.
Ended up writing a job proposal to that food sensitivity laboratory, built a website, hirejeff.com and ended up getting hired by this food sensitivity laboratory because I thought it was great. I wanted to do research on which specific foods are triggering various autoimmune conditions in different individuals. So I worked there for a while. That's kind of what led me into functional medicine. I was working with a lot of functional practitioners and just kind of seeing what was working. And I quickly realized that there's a lot more to this than, you know, the food sensitivities, because it's. It's not a. It's not a food problem necessarily. It's. It's a physiological problem, a gut problem. And, you know, I'm just. I just started developing more sensitivities to the new foods I was incorporating in my diet. So it didn't. It's a little bit of a band aid. It did help temporarily, and it reduced the inflammation, but it wasn't very curative. It wasn't really root cause. It was just something that was, you know, led me to the next step. Got into supplements at that point.
And you know, just discovered that there's just a, it's the wild west out there, right? There's thousands and thousands of these supplement companies recommending all this stuff. And it's like, what do you do? And I got into the manufacturing of supplements and realized that there's just an incredible difference in quality of ingredients with manufacturing product processes and sourcing, et cetera. And I was utilizing at the time a lot of polysaccharide extracts. My first company was focused on immune regulation through polysaccharide extract. So things like Ace man and from aloe vera, beta glucans, various polysaccharide extracts from medicinal mushrooms. And these things are kind of nature's immune modulators.
And that just the quality, the quality needed was, was very important. And then the quantity needed was also important because I was looking at the research and a lot of these required very high doses, much higher than you would ever see on a nutritional label to get the desired effect for specific conditions, right? So I said, all right. The two most important things in my mind were quality and quantity. And I did that for a while. That was great.
Then I said, all right, what else is out there? I opened up this. The whole time I'm trying to figure out, you know, how to, how to get myself better, right? So I'm trying all these supplements, I'm doing these kind of high dose nutraceutical things. Then I opened up what I, you know, I would call it a biohacking center. And you know, the bio, the term biohacking is, I don't necessarily like it. It's kind of the term is designed to, like hacking a computer, you take control of the system. Biohacking, you take control of your system. So in some sense it's okay. I don't like when it's abused to kind of fight against what the body's trying to do, right? So when I think of biohacking, I'm thinking of taking solutions from nature and supercharging them with science, basically trying to make up for nature deficiencies that we might be voiding because of our current lifestyles. So for my biohacking center, I had developed what I called the High Five protocol. And it was five nature based therapies to recharge your health. And the name of the clinic was Recharge. And the idea was to make this kind of concept of biohacking and wellness technology accessible. And at a $99 a month membership, people could come and use this stuff as much as they want. Because I thought everything on the Market was way overpriced. And this was pre Covid in Iowa. So it was a little bit before its time. Didn't really pick up at that point. But I had, you know, PEMF therapy was pillar number one, oxygen therapy, light therapy, hydrogen, and then superfoods. So for example, you know, if we're out grounding, if we're out in nature with our feet against the ground, you know, getting the electron transfer from the earth, then we probably don't need the PEMF therapy. But if we're not doing that, then maybe we need to substitute something to make up for that nature deficiency. That's where, you know, low intensity, low frequency PEMF might come in. And then oxygen therapy. It's just, you know, if our cells are not working efficiently, if we have mitochondrial dysfunction, it's not necessarily that we're not breathing in the oxygen efficiently. It's that our cells aren't utilizing it. So it's like a nutrient. So just like, if you're not utilizing, if you're not absorbing your nutrition from food, you might not be absorbing your oxygen that you're breathing based on cellular damage and inflammation. So pumping in a little bit of extra oxygen through, you know, various systems, I like, like ewat exercise with oxygen therapy systems, something like that can help, you know, give your body a little bit of a boost because of that deficiency. And then light therapies, right. Like you mentioned circadian rhythm balancing, which I think is fantastic. So I live in Iowa and you know, I have the, you know, one, I've got like a Spurdy vitamin D lamp. So if I'm not able to go out in the sun and get the. I don't do vitamin D supplements, but I like the technology that can help the body produce the vitamin D. I use the full, the, the full spectrum like Verilux and various brands of, of the sun lamps essentially, to get the bright, like, lux value. And you know, so, so if it's raining outside or if it's in the winter, then I'll just pop that on right when I wake up, stare at that for a few minutes or, you know, I'm reading my Bible and I've got that in the background or in front of me kind of, you know, shining on me first thing in the morning. That helps set my circadian rhythm because it's like, it's telling my body that the sun is up, right? So it's always better. Like in the summer, like today, I just go outside and I go in the sun right away to set My circadian rhythm. But if that's not available, I would consider the other thing, like a biohack. Right. So in my mind, the biohacking is really taking things from nature that we are designed to do. If we're not able to get them, then we can use some of these technologies for a substitute type of thing. Right. And then hydrogen therapy was the other one. And then superfoods because our food is not what it used to be. So, you know, specific foods that have a high nutrient profiles might be helpful as well. So that was kind of the biohacking journey, the clinic. And I was getting good results with people. They were coming in, people were loving it, but they stopped coming in and it's like they were back where they started. I said, okay, you know, this is great. It's kind of propping up their systems, it's making them feel better. But I felt like there was something deeper, like there was something inside of these people that was holding them back. Maybe like a stronghold that needed to be removed. And once that was removed, they could have sustainable healing. And then that's when I got into detoxification. And I was utilizing at the time, you know, infrared saunas. I was using, you know, chlorella, seaweed, tumik, Fulvix, even some, some synthetic chelation.
And you know, and these are all, you know, detox and things that people use for detox. But I thought that there was, there was something else. That's when I got introduced to Zeolite and started experimenting with that on myself and others. And I realized that, okay, there's really something to this and you know, we can talk about, you know, that now or whatever else with detox. But that's where I kind of transitioned from the biohacking aspect to the Zeolite because we were getting better results and more sustainable long term results. And it was a simpler solution and people just weren't able to come in, you know, five days a week to use this technology. So it's all good. I like it. There's a lot of great tools out there, but I think if you can remove things that are pulling on you, then your body's going to be better able to handle the various external stressors that are out there. And that's kind of, that's kind of the key. Like with the clinic it was all about removing the drainers and adding the charge boosters. So all the technology is like boosting you up. But really the key is to remove the things that are draining you. The stressors and stressors are anything that are making your body work harder than normal to stay balanced. And this could be, like you mentioned, root canal. Treated teeth is a huge one. It could be breast implants, it could be emotional, spiritual issues. It could be scars. Physical or emotional. Like all these different things that are just taking extra energy. If we can remove those from our bodies and from our lives, our body frees up energy and it can use that energy to do what it wants to do, including healing and cellular repair. So I think Zeo Charge is one tool that I found to be effective at helping remove some of the physical toxic elements that are kind of holding us back and taking up some of the body's energy.
[00:15:50] Speaker A: Yeah, wow, that's really great explanation. And I love how you're really relying on the foundational systems of the body and just allowing them to function like they're supposed to function by removing those, those stressors. I want to just highlight for the audience and we'll pick on the root canal too, because such a great example. I was of course one taught this in med school, but went to a biological dentist conference and got taught about the acupuncture meridian. So for the audience, you can imagine like the circuitry in your home. You go to the breaker box and there's a breaker for your living room and your kitchen and your hot water heater and all the breakers. And imagine that in your body you've got these different circuits, these acupuncture pathways, which as I was studying this, you know, the Western world didn't even believe in acupuncture meridian pathways for a long time. And I think it was President Nixon maybe did it went on a trip to China. So the press corps went with them and it was Ralston is all I remember this journalist, his last name, and I think he was with the New York Times, maybe the Washington Post. But anyways, in China, Ralston got, I think it was appendicitis or gallbladder attack, something, but ended up having surgery over there. And the. The Chinese doctors use acupuncture as part of the anesthesia or pain management post surgically.
And Ralston was amazed that it was, it worked, it was effective. So he wrote about it, he came back to the States, wrote about it, and that was like the first major publication that opened the Western or the American eyes to this acupuncture thing.
That's just a little side story. But these. So these meridians are real. Eventually the United States technology some kind of MRI scan or some something. A few years ago we actually were able to Document it with our technology to say, yes, it's real. Of course, the Chinese have been using these acupuncture meridians for a thousand years and they're, they're not stupid. So it's a real deal. But the point is these meridians run through each, each circuit runs through a tooth.
And if that tooth has a mercury filling or if that tooth is dead because a root canal kills that tooth, it kills the blood supply and the nerve fills it in. So, so it's a dead tooth. But the point being it starts to pull on that circuitry. It, or think of it as a, you know, a short. I've got a short. I've got a 2013 Suburban with 30, 300,000 miles on it. It's got a short somewhere in it. So if you're a mechanic and you live in here in Lubbock and you want to come check that out, but the mechanic I took, took it to, just said, let's just put a kill switch on the battery. So if it's going to sit for a while, I just, you know, do the kill switch on the battery to prevent it draining the energy out of that battery. That's what these teeth are doing. They're just draining, draining, draining the voltage. Dr. Jerry Tennant, healing is Voltage. It's a great book and he explains this in depth. That's one example of your leaking voltage, leaking electrons, leaking energy out of that circuitry just on that one pathway. And every organ is on a different pathway. So say you've got a root canal tooth, upper back molar, and that's on the pathway for your kidney. Well, that kidney now is energetically down. It doesn't have the voltage. So it's harder for it to mount, to just do its job, its filtration, but also to mount a defense. When it's got to defend itself against a germ or a toxin or whatever, it just doesn't have the capacity because of the energetics not being there. So, and so Jeff's talking about lowering this energetic.
Lots of things can do it. The tooth is just kind of a good visual with the circuitry, but all kinds of different stressors on the body will do that. And that can keep the body sick, keep it from regenerating, self repairing all the things we were talking about. So that was just a little side note explanation of that. So Jeff, as you started using the Zeolite, well, I mean, first let's maybe talk about Zeolite. What is that? Where's it come from? Just educate us a little bit. About that term.
[00:19:50] Speaker B: Absolutely. And I will say that the reason I named my clinic Recharge and this was, you know, pre covered was based on Jerry Tennant's work and you know the, the healing is voltage cancers on off swatch polarity book book and you know, so yeah. And I, I had a root canal treated tooth in my, my front tooth was root canal treated tooth and I went to multiple biological dentists. They both said it wasn't infected and I still had it pulled and I felt much better afterwards.
Right. Because it's, it's a matter of. It's if it's not infected, it's a, it's a matter of how infected it is and if it's not infected now, it's going to be infected later. I said let's just get this done with. But it is amazing. I mean just based on some of the research from Tennant and others at these natural cancer clinics, the connection between various ailments and you know, this exact meridian that these teeth are in. So yeah, interesting stuff. But yeah, for. So zeolite is, it's in the classification of a binder. So people have probably heard of activated charcoal, clays, bentonite clay, pectins. These things are considered binders. They're binding agents. They go in and grab onto things. The synthetic versions of these we usually called chelators or chelating agents like DMSA, EDTA, DMPs, etc. So what it actually is, zeolite is a naturally occurring mineral, so it's mined from the earth. Naturally occurring mineral. What makes it unique is its negative ionic charge. So it binds to positively charged toxic elements. And a lot of the toxic elements in our bodies that we don't want are positively charged. So when you consume something like zeolite, it, it goes in and it binds to it. So traditionally zeolite was used for water filtration for various agricultural purposes and it still is. And then it was used for animals and then it started being used for humans more recently. Right. Because that's usually the progression. They don't go straight to humans. They even dumped zeolite in the water supplies after their Chernobyl. Chernobyl nuclear disaster to bind to the radioactive isotopes like cesium and strontium and it reduced, I think the cesium by a factor of 1000. So incredibly effective at binding to radioactive isotopes. So it's got this broad spectrum binding capacity and one of the things that makes it unique compared to some of these other binders or chelating agents is that it Works through a swap mechanism.
And it has a cage. So zeolite has this honeycomb cage lattice and inside the cage there are electrolytes, so potassium, sodium, calcium, magnesium and. And it swaps these electrolytes that are in its cage for elements that it has a higher level of attraction to, which are generally going to be heavier elements. And the things that are heavier are generally things that are more toxic. For example, heavy metals. The reason we call them heavy metals is because they're heavier than the essential nutrients and minerals. Right. So, so that's why they call zeolite kind of a selective binder or a smart binder, opposed to some of the other binders like the charcoals out there, which are great for what they do, but for like, you know, short term applications, they go in and grab everything, but they grab the good, the bad and the ugly. It might not be great for long term use because it's just grabbing everything could cause nutrient depletion. Whereas the high quality purified zeolite products are going in and working through the swap mechanism. So when they come across a vitamin or an amino acid, it just leaves it alone because it's only looking to swap for something heavier, like a heavy metal.
[00:23:02] Speaker A: Hmm. Yeah, it's really cool.
So the zeolite is a naturally occurring mineral. So I'm assuming you just are mining that or somebody's mining that from, from rock or whatever, some kind of soil and then it goes through some kind of process of manufacturing process to clean up. Can you talk, speak to any of that?
[00:23:24] Speaker B: Yep, absolutely. So and when it comes to the technology and supplements, I always like to do things that are the natural. Right. So the things that are the most natural. And I like, I always like to say, I like to take things that are solutions from nature and then supercharge them with science. Right. So there's a lot of things naturally occurring, a lot of these like medicinal, you know, extracts and plants that are great. But then there are advanced manufacturing processes that can extract some of the medicinal properties and make them even more therapeutic or at least for more severe situations. Right. The whole, like aloe vera. Aloe vera is fantastic on its own.
There's a compound in aloe vera called ace mannan, which is responsible for a lot of its medicinal properties. There's manufacturing where you can extract and stabilize ace manate and reduce or eliminate the alloy, which is more of what causes the laxative kind of toxic effect of the aloe. So you can get hundreds of times the amount of aloe vera if you get like this Dry freeze, dried extract of it opposed to the full thing. If you're healthy and you're looking to maintain health, then just the plant is probably great. If you have a little bit more complex health challenge which is, which is not natural. A lot of these health challenges are not natural. Right. So we might need something that's a little bit more advanced to help get you back to baseline and then you can go back to the natural version. So with zeolites there's you know, these naturally occurring minerals and you know, allegedly they were used, you know, a long time ago for, for water filtration systems like with the Egyptians, all these things. I can't, you know, verify any of that stuff. But there's properties where, you know, and zeolite is, it's, it's Zeolitos. So boil, it basically means boiling stone. So there's like an effect where water hits it. There's like kind of like a sizzling boiling. So, so that's why it's called zeolite. But essentially you have, it's like a, it's a big mineral, like a big rock. And when you first it has to be cleaned then it has to go through various manufacturing processes. The main manufacturing process is the micronization which is the reduction of the particle size.
So like for human consumption you want it to be very fine. You don't want, you know, to be eating these little like pebbles or rocks, right. So it's not like a clay like some of these other things that are naturally smooth. It's actually a ground up mineral. Now zeo charge, you would think it's a clay because it's so fine, it's like a bentonite clay. But it's actually just because the manufacturing process is so advanced that it's micronized to very small particle sizes, that it's very smooth and fine. Most of the zeolite products on the market are not going to be like that. They're going to be very gritty and grainy and it kind of tastes like you've got a mouthful of sand. So that's because they don't use as the advanced manufacturing processes. But you have to reduce the particle size to make it, turn it into a powder form. The smaller you make it, the more surface area you have, which means there's more total binding capacity which is effect makes it more effective. But you kind of want a specific, a specific range which, which we have. But there's the cleaning, there's the micro, micronization, pasteurization as well. Ours goes through a pasteurization process to remove any potential mycotoxins or microbial elements. Because, you know, if depending on, you just want to do that. Right. So it goes to multiple processes to make it safe for human consumption. I will say there's a lot of types of zeolite. So there's clinoptillolite, zeolite, which is what we use in zeocharge, and that's the form that's been studied and shown to be safe for humans. There's a lot of other types of zeolite that are not safe.
And this is. So if you're doing research, if someone's interested in just researching zeolite, don't type in Zeolite on PubMed, type in ClinOptilolite. So clinoptilolite is the actual form that's used in studies because there's forms like aryanite and these other things that are more like fibrous and asbestos like that are not going to be safe at all. Right. So it's almost like, like saying, you know, vegetables are safe. It's like, well, some vegetables are toxic, some are. Some are good for you. Right? Like plants are safe. It's like, well, poison IV is not too good for you. Right. So stuff like that. Zeolite is a class of a mineral. You have to have the right subclass of that mineral to get the therapeutic effects, and they have different properties. Clinip tololite also has a very strong structure. It's stable in stomach acid, so it doesn't break down in the body like some of the other ones. So lots of nuances with it. But basically, clinoptilolite zeolite purified is what you're looking for when you're looking for a supplement. And that's what we have in CO charge.
[00:27:38] Speaker A: Okay. And then it just stays within the GI tract, Is that right?
[00:27:44] Speaker B: Yes. So it. So it's. Yeah, it's a powder. So there's a little scooper. You mix it with a glass of water, you drink it down, and then it goes to the GI tract and then you poop it out. Right. So it's. A lot of the products on the market claim, you know, it's a cell, the cellular detox. It's going into the brain, it's going into the organs, all this stuff. And you're going to see, you know, nano zeolites and, you know, liquid zeolites and all these other things which, which we, we don't really recommend. 1. The liquid zeolites are usually just the powders mixed with water. And then there's a lot of marketing claims that are unsubstantiated. The nano zeolites are generally, some of them actually are nano and it's an advanced manufacturing process. But at that point you've broken down the zeolite cage like structure and you're left with fragments of the zeolite cage. So some companies will even market it as clinoptilolite fragments. So at that point you don't have the exchange mechanism anymore. It's more like almost like a synthetic chelator working through adsorption, just attaching things to the surface. So those companies claim that there is cellular detox.
I have not seen any proof of that either. They may or may not be absorbed sublingually, but there's really no research on them. So what I recommend the highly, you know, the powdered forms that are purified like Zeo Charge and those ones definitely stay in the GI tract. So they pass through the grab to various forms of toxic elements that are in the GI tract and they pass through. And I think that's really important because a lot of these companies market themselves as these cellular detoxes and going to the brain because they're, they're basically preying on consumer ignorance because people think, oh, my brain hurts or I have toxicity in my brain, I need something to go into my brain to remove it. But that's very unnatural. Right. We want to encourage the body to, to detox. The key to an effective detox is to get your body to detox for you. Right? Our God designed our bodies to work and to work well. Our bodies do what they do for a reason. And I think when it comes to detoxification and a lot of other biohacking, a lot of other protocols, we try to outsmart the body. We try to work against the body's natural process because we think we know what's best. But the body does what it does for a reason.
So for example, the body would. The body's focused on, we have to look at priorities. The body is designed to focus on short term survival over long term thrival. So the body's focused on the short term first. So if you're exposed to a bunch of mercury, your body immediately, it doesn't want it, it's toxic, it's not good for you. Your body's processing it. So it's now in the body's processing center. The body tries to get out as much as it can.
If it can't get all of it out, it has to do something. Because it's, the body can't sustain that level of stress for too long. So whatever it can't remove, the body has to put it into storage. So the body tucks it into tissue. I call this kind of, you know, deactivating the toxicity. Now it's causing more long term issues when it's stuck in tissue, but it actually protects you in the short term because now it's hidden from the cleanup crew of the body. So the body would actually prefer to have mercury, for example, in your brain, even though it's potentially contributing to neurodegeneration and long term issues, opposed to having it floating around in the active processing center where it's, the body's going after it, actively attacking it, cleaning up, because that results in a strong immune response, that results in a strong inflammatory reaction. And if the body can't handle that, it would prefer just to keep it in tissue because it's focused on short term health. So one of the keys to an effective detox is to get healthy enough to detox, because the healthier you are, the faster your body's going to detox and the more you're going to be able to clear out what, what's coming in on a daily basis. One of the challenges is when people become chronically ill or you know, develop complex health challenges. They're just, they're drained of the energy and then the toxic elements coming in. Their body doesn't have enough processing power or detox energy to deal with them all. And the body just keeps pumping it into tissue and says, let's deal with it later. But there's never enough energy to get to it. So then if we go in and we try to use some sort of synthetic chelator or something to like rip out the metal from tissue, it might not work out too well because the body wants it there right now, because as it comes out, it's going to be too stressful on the way out. So I think the number one key is to remove the active toxicity that's floating around this. You know, I call it level one toxicity, which is like active. And then level two and three is storage organs and general tissue. When you bind to that level one active toxic toxicity, it now makes room for the body to receive toxicity from storage, right? And then it frees up energy for the body to go after it. So I think that's one of the issues with detoxification programs. Some of them is you go on these protocols, it dumps toxicity from organs and tissue into your kind of processing center, which is mostly in your GI tract and then in your bloodstream. And the body has to deal with that toxicity. Let's say someone is at max capacity, like you. Some. So detox reactions are, you know, headaches, irritability, joint pain. These are, these are symptoms associated with detox protocols. So if someone, let's say, takes chlorella or some sort of detox supplement and they feel immediately terrible, that's what's called a detox reaction. Right? It's, it's in. A lot of practitioners say, oh, this is fantastic. It means the protocol is working, but we have to understand what is the body telling us here? The body is telling us that there is stress. There is more active toxicity right now than what the body wants to deal with. That's what a detox reaction is. Sometimes they're unavoidable for a time. But we want to reduce or prevent these detox reactions if possible. We want the least amount of turbulence as these toxicity toxins come out of the body. And one of the ways to do that is to one, increase the body's processing power. And that could be by, you know, removing various sources of stress, which could be back to the root canal. Example. You remove a root canal, you have more processing power, your body starts detoxing better. So a lot of it does go back to the basics, but sometimes when these toxic elements get stuck in tissue, they just kind of are persistent because the body's not quite comfortable enough to let them go, because it doesn't know what's going to happen on the way out. Right. Just. It just, it just. So they just get stuck there. So, so the, the approach that zeolite offers, essentially at least the powdered zeolites, is it goes in, it grabs things in the GI tract, and then it encourages the body to let go of some of the deeply stored things if it wants to. It's not forceful because the body can now do what it wants to with that extra energy by binding. So it binds to things like heavy metals, it binds to mycotoxins, like aflatoxins, ochratoxin A, it binds to glyphosate. It's been shown to bind to bpa. So pretty broad spectrum. One of the things I think that is most important that it binds to is certain metabolic waste products. So these natural waste products that the body produces on a daily basis, like ammonia and, you know, excess histamine, these things because the body naturally is producing waste.
And if our bodies are working properly, our bodies are clearing that waste and we don't have issues. If our bodies are not working properly, we can get a buildup of our own internally produced toxicity. So let's say our liver is not working properly because it's congested with whatever. Now when we, our bodies produce ammonia in response to digestion eating or whatever it is, our livers might not be breaking it down. So we can get a buildup of ammonia, which is a highly toxic compound, and that can go into the bloodstream, that can actually go to your brain. It's very toxic. So binding to that ammonia in the GI tract can be highly beneficial if your liver is not working properly. If your liver is working great and everything is great in your body, you might not need it. Right. So it's one of those things. It's like in living in the 21st century, with the level of toxicity we faced with and the level of external and internal stressors we're faced with, Binding is more important than ever because our body needs a little bit of assistance. In a lot of cases where 100 years ago we just wouldn't need these things because our bodies are more just. We don't have the same level of stress, essentially.
[00:35:33] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a great explanation. I'm just going to summarize. So you mentioned the brain, which I read a study the other day about microplastics and in the brain of Alzheimer's patients, I think it was. But so what you're saying, the body want, when it decides to, and has the energy and capability to. It'll. It'll release some toxins out of the tissue, like out of the brain that circulates in the bloodstream, maybe the lymphatics, ultimately to try to get to the, the liver, to the gallbladder, to squirt it into the bowel, to poop it to the toilet or possibly sometimes the kidney, same thing to the kidney, to the urine, to the toilet, and maybe some through sweat. But basically those are the, the outlets to get out of the body.
But if you're energetically low or your GI tract's not super healthy, maybe your gallbladder functions a little weak because you don't have enough stomach acid signaling because of chronic stress or whatever. But a sluggish gallbladder, sluggish liver, sluggish GI tract, that toxicity just kind of gets stuck and sits there, but potentially gets reabsorbed back into circulation, back into the bloodstream, and it just goes loop de loop de loop and never all the way out. And that creates that potential detox reaction. And that's where the zeolite comes in, it's sitting there in the bowel waiting to soak it up like a sponge stays in the bowel and out the exit to the toilet.
And then so it just really assists the body in that part of the detoxification pathway. So you're really clean, you know, toxicity wise.
And, and that helps the body to just release more and release more. And slowly over time you're gonna, you're gonna decrease your overall body burden. Jeff, can you talk about, you kind of mentioned a couple of these like dmsa, edta, some of the audience might be familiar with chelation, IV chelation, or even doing some of those products orally or I've seen suppositories even talk about some of that. I know there are some studies with using IV chelation. I'm not super familiar with them. We don't do it in our clinic.
I have my thoughts on that, but I'm just interested in your thoughts on that. Is it ever appropriate?
Do you feel like the zeolite way would be more appropriate? But just speak to the chelation, IV chelation in particular.
[00:37:52] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And I think we always have to consider timing and what's appropriate at what time. So for long term, there's a difference between short term toxicity and long term accumulated toxicity because the body responds to differently to both. So chelators are really, I would say the, the only time I would ever recommend and I, I probably wouldn't ever recommend them, but if I was going to recommend them, it would be for short term exposure. You would just expose to lead. You have it currently floating around, it hasn't settled yet. Maybe some EDTA can go in and bind to some of that lead. Once the lead has settled in tissue at that point the body doesn't, might not want to let go of it. Especially if you have a complex health challenge. If you're healthier, it might still work. If you're not as healthy, maybe not. So it's, it's like this was where the studies with a lot of chelators and various things are limited because they're not looking at long term applications. So example, one of the chelators that was shown to be very effective at binding to mercury works great in all the studies they expose, you know, mice and animals to mercury and then they give it this chelator, it grabs the mercury, it prevents them from dying, it saves them. It's great.
[00:38:57] Speaker A: Right?
[00:38:57] Speaker B: But what we don't know is if the mice had that mercury for five years and then it settled into the body, then they get that chelator. Is the body going to let go? Because the key is it's up to the body. If the cells in the body or the cells in the brain or wherever the metal is, does not want to let go of the metal, it's not going to let go. So I've experienced with that same chelator that has the research for mercury where people, because that's one of the ones they used, people, people would experience this tug of war effect in their brain because it's hydrophobic and it goes straight to the brain and it binds mercury. It has such a tight bind bond to mercury that it generates an entirely new compound.
So they actually bind mercury to this, to this compound and it's a new compound, they feed that to animals. That's completely non toxic and inert. So it's, I mean it's by far the strongest. This is not available on the market by the way, but incredibly strong chelator. But even that when go, when it enters the body, if the cells do not want to let go of the mercury, they will not let go of the mercury. And I just learned this like five, six years ago because I thought that was incredible. I was like, okay, we need zeolite for everything else, we need this for mercury. But then I discovered that we have to encourage the body to let go of mercury from the deeply stored cells. That's the only way to get it out. And then I was discovering that for long term use, people that were just taking Zeo charge with my testing were detoxing faster and more efficiently than people that were taking this other mercury specific chelator or Zeo charge, plus the mercury specific chelator.
Because when you take specific items that stress out your system and chelation is generally very stressful one, because they're, they're just designed for metals and they're also stripping essential nutrients and they miss a lot of the other byproducts of detoxification. They're missing environmental toxicants, they're missing the metabolic waste products. All the stuff that gets stirred up when you start detoxing. Now the body has to clean up that mess on its own. It adds stress to the system. You get these detox reactions. When you're experiencing detox reactions for a extended period of time, that starts putting your body in survival mode. When your body goes in survival mode, the cells go on lockdown. Now the nutrients aren't getting in and the toxins aren't leaving. Right. So you think you're detoxing faster because you're getting terrible symptoms, but actually your body is slow, slowly slowing down the detox process because it's going into survival mode. And it's really the opposite of what people think. Because when people get sicker, you would think, oh, the body's going to detox faster because there's more toxicity to deal with. It's the opposite. The sicker you get, the slower you start detoxing.
Because the body has, doesn't have it just, it's overburdened energetically. There's not enough energy to deal with everything going on. So it just keeps pushing, putting stuff into tissue. So someone that's chronically ill generally has sluggish bile. They might be constipated because various issues, but because their bile, their liver might not be releasing as much bile because it doesn't want to release toxic bile that gets recirculated, it might start slowing down lymphatic drainage because the body doesn't want to release lymph because it wants to keep that toxicity hidden. It might start, you stop sweating all, all the natural detox pathways. Your body slows down because it wants to keep this toxicity stored in tissue, opposed to excreting it. So as you get healthier and whatever you know, however you can do that, as you get healthier, you start sweating more, you start increasing lymph drainage, your bile flow starts increasing.
So it's, we don't like a lot of practitioners, like we have to specifically address lymph, specifically this and that. But sometimes that makes you feel absolutely terrible because your body was slowing down that biochemical process, process for a specific purpose. And the key is to get healthy enough for your body to speed it up on its own. So that's why it all goes back to why is the body doing what it's doing? IV chelation and oral chelation I think can be effective in certain applications. I would say Zeo charge is usually better, especially for long term use. My issue with chelation and a lot of other detox protocols is that I feel like they're working against the body's natural processes opposed to encouraging the body to naturally detox. Which is what we're doing with Zeocharge.
[00:42:58] Speaker A: Yep. Well, I would concur with that.
Quick question. On testing, you keep saying the tissue, tissue, tissue, whether that be the brain, the liver, any tissue, the bone even I know lead goes to the bone. So if someone's wondering if they're toxic and wants to test blood, urine, stool, saliva, hair, is there value in that? Is it accurate or what's your take on testing?
[00:43:27] Speaker B: So testing for all toxicity, and I mean, heavy metals, there's, there's the most testing available, but all toxicity is very limited. It's just, it's limited because we only that there's all these tests and you have to understand what they're looking at. They're all snapshots of a specific thing. None of these tests are looking at the level of microplastics or heavy metals in your brain or in your organs. Right. They're only looking at what you're looking at. So like a urine test, it's looking at what metals or toxicants are coming out of your urine. And then there's like a challenge test where you take a chelating agent or a zeolite or something, then you do another test and see how much is coming out after you try to provoke them. Right. But still we're not looking at the, the actual numerical data of like what is actually in there. It's just what is being excreted? Hair. Same thing. What's being excreted through the hair? Blood. What is circulating?
Feces, what is being. Same thing. Right. So they're all limited.
What we used for our case studies program is the oligo scan, which is spectrophotometry, which is shining light into the palm of your hand, which is looking at your tissue level. It's looking at the metals in your hand. It's still not telling you the metals that are in your brain or your organs. Right. So any. For most people, I would say it's probably best not to test and it's probably better to focus on other standard testing to, to measure just normal biomarkers and other things to see if you're seeing improvement over time. Right. Like markers that were associated with the toxicity. But if you are going to test for heavy metals specifically, my opinion is you have to test regularly to get a bunch of snapshots. Because the more snapshots you have, the better storybook you can tell. Better story you can tell. Right. So I think like with the oligoscan, I test every single month because you see a cyclical pattern. So what? Because it all goes, it's all based on the body's inherent design. When you like on the oligo scan, you'll see the metals pop up, which is what you want because the metals are now coming out of organs or storage. They're coming into general tissue. The next month the metals drop. That's when they leave the body. Then the next month the metals come up again and then they drop. And they cycle. And very interestingly, there's a very specific level of these metals that the body appears to be comfortable with in general tissue. And it always goes back to that exact, exact metal, that exact level. So if you retest after a year on something like the oligo scan, it might look like nothing changed. But if you tested every single month, you see this up, down, up, down, up, down pattern where the body is actually moving metals. It's just that when the body gets too stressed through the, through the detox process, it slows it down. And the body also groups metals together.
So one month the body might group together gadolinium, lead, aluminum, you know, the mercury, these brain metals. And then 11 of the other metals are going in the opposite direction. So like the brain metals might be going up, the other metals might be going down. And then the next month it's inverted. So it's. I learned a ton during our case study program using this test because it just shows one, we can't really force detox. The body is going to do what it wants to do. We have to encourage the body to detox. And when we do that, the body will release what it wants, when it wants. And the healthier someone is, the faster they will detox because the body has more energy to excrete these things on the way out. So that's the great thing with the detoxification protocol or any health protocol is as you get healthier and you're making progress on your journey, it's like a compounding, a positive compound effect because then you can start detoxing faster because you keep increasing, increasing, increasing your energy.
[00:46:46] Speaker A: Yep, yep, great explanation.
The one toxin probably I get asked more about lately since 2020, spike protein.
And there's some, we've had some guests on in the past talking about nanokinase. Dr. Brian Artis has a tincture.
Any thoughts on that? I know Spike, I think everyone understands now there's man influence manipulation of this thing.
Obviously it's new, not a ton of research.
Any thoughts even if it's a guess in regards to binder and Z light in particular and spike protein detoxification.
[00:47:28] Speaker B: Yeah, so, so right when that was kind of becoming more, you know, popular, when it was, you know, a few years ago, there were some, some researchers in Europe or it was somewhere in Europe that were utilizing zeolite powders and found it to be like one of the top two most effective things for reducing spike protein. Once again, I don't have any, I'm not testing for spike protein. I don't have any sort of verification on that. It's one of those things, spike protein. I think it's like everything else, we have to get our bodies to reject these things. Like, I think one of the downfalls in natural medicine in terms of detoxification is we try to go after things specifically we identify things with testing or speculation and then we assume that that's our problem and then we try to target them directly opposed to encouraging our body to go after these things. So it's like one of my pet peeves is the obsession with heavy metals. Like, people are absolutely obsessed with eliminating all sources of heavy metals and we cannot do that. Like, they're everywhere, a lot of these metals, like they're going to be in our food. Like it's all about how our body is able to process them and excrete them when they're coming in. That is much more important than the actual exposure. So when it comes to something like spike protein, it's the same thing. As we increase, we raise our energetic vibration, we're healthier, our bodies are going to be able to reject what they want to reject at a higher level. Right? It's all about raising oxygen levels, raising voltage, getting healthy. I think that's the key, direct binding to spike protein. I mean, if our bodies, if there is something in our bodies that is, that is generating spike protein on a daily basis and it's essentially a regenerative toxin, then just going in and binding to it is going to be very limited. We have to stop the production of that thing.
Right? And I think it's kind of like, like the daily dose toxins works. Faced with our greatest source of toxicity, things from outside, but inside. So the metabolic waste products, microbial waste products are a huge source of toxicity. When there's dysbiosis in the gut, we have, you know, the yeast that's turned into a fungal form. We've got these parasites, we've got this overgrowth of things that are there because they're opportunistic. And now they're releasing waste products like ammonia, exotoxins, endotoxins, various things that are very toxic to us, those are poisoning us. So if we bind to those things, like zeolite actually binds to lipopolysaccharides and some exotoxins and endotoxins, like it binds to those things. But if we don't remove the, the toxin factory, it's going to be a limited approach. We have to do both. Right? So on the opportunity, one more comment on the opportunistic thing. So, like, a lot of these things are opportunistic. So I'm not a huge fan of just going and killing everything either, because there's a reason these things entered. And, you know, generally people go and they. They do this anti, you know, parasitic or fungal or whatever protocol. They just try to wipe everything out. And the next thing, you know, three, three to six months later, the stuff's back and it's like, well, you didn't. And then maybe they felt better for three to six months, but they didn't remove the opportunity for them to come back. So I think that's key, and that's also key. The way I look at opportunistic microbes is the way I look at, like, opportunistic, you know, spirits, like demons or unclean spirits. Right. They're unclean. They're looking for an opportunity, an area of weakness to come in. And if. That's why it's like, if you just cast out a spirit, it's going to come back if the opportunity is still there. So it's more than like, if someone needs spiritual deliverance. It's. It's more. It's less about someone else doing the work for you and more about you doing the work yourself. It's kind of a combination. Right. So a lot of people are like, oh, just I want someone to cast this spirit out of me. It's like. Or is there unforgiveness in your life? Is there jealousy? Is there a root that is allowing the spiritual infiltration? At that point, it's your responsibility to take the step one before someone else gets involved type of thing. So anyway, opportunistics is huge, both spiritual and with physical entities removing the opportunity. And then the body can start, you know, building its shield and preventing things from coming in.
[00:51:15] Speaker A: Yep. It's as simple as the analogy of cockroaches in your kitchen and just going and killing all those cockroaches every morning versus take the garbage out and the cockroaches go away on their own. When that terrain is dirty, that opportunity for these things to set up shop and multiply and replicate and. And the byproducts of these bugs and demonic spirits, for sure.
So, yeah, it's all about terrain, terrain, terrain. Whether that's a spiritual. I would see it as a belief in your heart. You believe a lie about yourself, about. About God, then that's it. You're not vibrating at the frequency of truth. And that will actually attract or allow certain things in. And there, I think there's a connection in the physical and the spiritual. In fact, Dr. Lee Cowden told me this years ago.
He said you can kill alligators all day long, meaning parasites and candida, but if you don't drain the swamp, the alligators come back. And of course, at that time, I had no idea what he was talking about. I was six months in this new integrative journey.
Um, but he went on to explain these unresolved emotional conflicts and unforgiveness and bitterness, and these events happen in our life that evokes an emotion. And if we don't bring the Holy Spirit truth to that and get the. Get God's point of view on that situation, then that emotion could be influenced by the other kingdom and that bitter root set in. So we've got to bring the truth into these different circumstances and relationships and just things going on in the world and bring God's perspective to it. But I think what he was telling me was a vibrational frequency. At least this is how he thought of it in his. In his mind. I don't know if he had proof this is what's happening. But, like, subatomic frequency shifting will actually attract toxins, and that toxic tissue attracts the bugs. So you can kill bugs, detox toxins, but ultimately get the vibrational frequency lined up with truth. And that's the terrain thing that you're speaking to. So I love that you have that. That perspective.
We've got a few minutes left. Seven, eight minutes left. I do want to talk specifically, and I know you didn't want to come on here and promote your product, and we're not trying to sell stuff. I mean, my audience knows that. I really don't ever do that, except sell our wellness program to teach you how to not need a doctor and go be well and get off your health insurance and all that. But we've had such, such great success with some of our patients using this particular product. So I do want to talk a little bit about, and especially the protocol, just give you an opportunity to kind of explain that. How'd you. How do you figure that out? What kind of. What do you recommend? And for different subsets of patients, if someone's pretty healthy and they just believe everything you just said, and we're in a toxic world and they just want to have a little maintenance dose versus I'm super sick and just talk a little bit specifically about what you would recommend protocol wise, with in particular, Zeo Charge, which guys. You can get that through our store online, or of course, Jeff's Got his website, Zeolite Labs, with an s.com or for our members. You can get it on our membership also. But go ahead, Jeff, with your. How'd you discover this protocol of kind of going high dose?
[00:54:23] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Yes. We haven't even talked about that. So really the most I mentioned earlier, with other products, quality and quantity are the most important things. And this is especially true with Zeolite. And the quantity aspect is, is crucial. You could take Zeo charge. If you don't take Zeo Charge properly, it might have the, the opposite effect. The entire purpose of taking a binder like Zeocharge is to grab things and kind of reduce the stress. If you micro dose it, it might actually add stress to your system.
So what you don't want to do is take a scoop, mix it with the glass water and take one sip to try it out. That is the most likely thing to actually stress out your system because it basically goes in, it stirs things up, kind of makes a mess. Maybe it disrupts biofilm, biofilms. It just kind of gets things rolling. But then the body has to clean up that mess, right? So the net effect is an additional stress in the body and then you feel terrible if you take more, let's say the full scoop, you go in, you make a mess. There's enough extra Zeolite to bind to all the mess that it made. It cleans up its own messes up. Essentially right there on zeolitelabs.com on the education page, there's a lot of information on the dosing. There's a lengthy document going into all of the logic behind it if someone wants to really, you know, go into the dosing paradox. But essentially, instead of starting low and working up, we recommend a reverse titration schedule where you start high and you work down. So we have a, for example, a five month protocol called the Ultimate Zeolite Experience, where you start with six scoops, which is 30 grams per day, and you take this all at once. It's not split throughout the day because the key is to get enough at each dose. You take six scoops once per day for a full month. The next month you do five scoops per day, the next month four, then three, then two, then you're done. You can be done with the protocol or you can go to the maintenance dose, which is one scoop. The whole, the whole concept is that the healthier you become and the more layers of toxicity that you're stripping, the less you need because the more active toxicity, specifically that you have the more, more binding capacity. You need to go in and grab all this stuff. So the dose really is dependent on your current situation. Are you symptomatic, you know, your exposure, all of the stuff going on, how well is your liver working, et cetera. And if you're really healthy, maybe you just go straight to one scoop. But I still like starting high and going low, even if you're healthy. But you can do an accelerated version. So in that situation, you could do six scoops for one week, five scoops for one week, four scoops, three, and then go down to one. Or if you think you're really healthy, just do six scoops for three days, five scoops for three days, etc. But it's good to get the higher dose first because when you bind, it's detox through binding. So you're binding in the GI tract. And what we want is to encourage the body to let go of the toxic elements from tissue. Some people can take a lower dose, like one scoop, and it's binding and they're feeling better, but it's not enough to encourage the body to let go of the deeply stored toxic elements, especially mercury. So, so that's why we Recommend Starting with 6. And that's why we develop 6 scoops as the protocol. Because in our case studies program, everyone that started on six was able to get to what we call all three levels of detox and the body was releasing the deeply stored metals. Some people, you know, one and two scoops, that was not happening. Some people it was, but we don't know. So if you're not doing monthly testing, then that's where the protocol is. Great. Because you start at six, you know, you're kind of getting to all three levels, most likely, and then you can work down. And even if you don't stay on six, your body is now the detox pathways are kind of opened, your body's in a role and it usually continues detox, letting go of these toxic elements, even at the lower doses. Let's say you go from six, you're feeling great, five, you're feeling great, four or three. At three, you start feeling worse. Maybe you have headaches, irritability, that means you might need to go back up. So now you can go back up to four for a while. Right. And sometimes in certain seasons of life, certain stressful seasons or days of the month, whatever, you might want to increase your dose temporarily to have more binding capacity to deal with the stressors.
So for like full moon, there's all sorts of you know, like the full moon, like right now pretty much is the most symptomatic time of the month for people because there's hormonal shifts and things that go, go along with the full moon cycle. So we get emails all the time where people are taking the product, they're doing great, and then all of a sudden full moon hits. They're symptomatic. So if you're concerned about detox reactions, one, don't start it two days before the full moon. If you're a very sensitive individual, if you're very sensitive, I'd also take it after a meal to start with, opposed to on an empty stomach. But otherwise, if you're just a normal person, you could. That's like, not like that. Hasn't had terrible experiences with detox in the past. You could take it anytime, morning, afternoon, evening. With food away from food, it's not going to deplete the nutrients from food because it's that selective binder. And in fact, in the animal research, it actually improves nutrient status even when mixed with food. So, yeah, take it anytime. Once per day, between two and six scoops is a great starting dose. Just kind of depends on where you're at. One scoop is the maintenance, maintenance dose. You can do one scoop ongoing or you could do, you know, maybe three scoops for two months, once a year. There's so many ways to do it.
And if you're doing, you know, testing with Dr. Ben protocol, whatever you're doing, you can kind of monitor things as well. So maybe you're doing. If you're seeing improvement in biomarkers and then you go off of it and the biomarkers get worse again, you might want to go back on it type of thing. If the biomarkers are getting worse, then you might want to consider improving, increasing the dose, because sometimes the low dose could actually stress out the system and make the biomarkers worth temp worse temporarily. So testing is always a good idea to kind of monitor how things are going because either it's going to add stress to your system or it's going to reduce stress on your system as you're detoxing. The goal is to have a reduction of stress as you're removing these toxic elements. So little to no turbulence as you're getting stuff out. And that's a sustainable way to detox because it's keeping your body out of fight or flight. It's keeping the cellular pathways open and keeping your body just in, in the groove of detox.
[01:00:10] Speaker A: Yeah, that's great. So Guys, I just want to reiterate, and I think Jess has been clear this whole interview. It's all about getting the body healthy, healthy, healthy. Get your voltage up, get your energetics up. That's what the four pillars are all about. Deep nutrition, good clean, hydration, movement, sunshine. All the basics.
You don't want to detox and then retox. So be considerate of your environment.
Obviously, you're not going to purposely be chugging heavy metals and whatever toxicity, but there's a lot of unknown toxicity. I mean, we can't stress out about that, worry about that, but we can get some education. Don't freak out about it, but get some education on what are the toxic products that you're most likely to put on your skin, because that's your biggest organ you're going to absorb or in your mouth, whatever. Toothpaste and even toothbrushes with microplastics. There are some daily habit things you can shift and move and get educated on. Our wellness navigators are great at helping kind of clean up the pantry, clean up the kitchen, clean up your cleaning products, your beauty products, that kind of thing. So not retoxing every single day, that's important. So as best you can, clean up your environment, but don't make it an idle or, you know, stress out about it, but just be aware of it. And good, better, best and. And eventually get more towards the best if you can. And of course, all the healthy, foundational things we preach all the time. But I do think this is a very important thing to consider, especially if you're. You're stuck, you know, and that's where we saw this with patients that were pretty decent on the four pillars, basically AB students, you would say, and for a number of years, but still struggling and adding in this detox component. The Zeo charge in particular was really, really helpful, and their symptoms really improved and even resolved in a number of cases. So that's what really got my attention, that maybe we ought to give a little more than nod to this whole toxic thing, because we just haven't before and we've seen some. Some good results. So just want to want y' all to hear straight from the man himself.
Jeff, thank you for being with us. One more time. The website Zeolite Z E O L I T E Zeolite labs with an s.com and there's great testimonials on there. There's education on there. Jeff mentioned there's other podcasts on there, so check out the website. We do carry the product as well.
So, Jeff, thank you for making a great product that I can be proud to put my stamp of approval on. Not that means anything, but, you know, I've got some in my house right now that I've been taking, so thank you for that. Thank you for coming on the show today. And I mean, guys, you can just tell from Jeff's heart and his testimony, he really is for the people. He's for true health and wellness. He's not out to make a buck.
He's really. And. And when he was in the business, had his clinic in Iowa with all these cool gadgets, and I've had. We've had ewat and the different therapies. Still have some of them. But he saw that, man. There's just. There's more to it. There's a deeper thing, and there's a more beneficial way to go about this. So he just kept going. Because the truth, that's what you do when you love the truth, and Jeff loves the truth. That's why I wanted to have him on. So, Jeff, thank you. I'll give you the last word, but I appreciate you joining us today.
[01:03:18] Speaker B: Absolutely. No, I appreciate it. This was a lot of fun. Thanks for everything that you do. You've got a great, great voice in the. In the space. And I think it's. I think it's really important because the. The spiritual and the natural are, you know, connect. Like spiritual issues can lead to physical problems. Physical issues, I think, can lead to spiritual problems. Right. So there is a connection there. We have to address the whole body, body, soul, spirit. So I think that's really important, and I think that's what a lot of, you know, podcasts and people are missing. I don't talk about it really too much enough myself either, but addressing, you know, the emotional and spiritual health is absolutely critical as well when it comes comes to healing. So appreciate. Appreciate that about you and all the education doing. So keep up the good work.
[01:03:56] Speaker A: Awesome. Well, thank you, Jeff. Appreciate you too. All right, everybody, we'll be back next week with another great show. Bye. Bye.
