The Gospel of Peace | Jim Richards

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey, guys. Welcome to this week's show. We're going to continue in our journey of repenting. Metaneo is the word in the Greek to think differently, to reconsider, to go beyond your old way of thinking. That's the word Jesus used. I think it's Matthew 4:17. He says, Metanejo, for the kingdom of heaven is near, or the kingdom of heaven has come, or the kingdom of heaven is in your midst. Metanejo, repent, change your mind, change your thinking, go beyond, reconsider. And I've been doing a lot of that over the past many years and continue to do that. And that's a daily prayer. God, show me what I'm not seeing clearly. The things I thought I knew for sure that just ain't so. I think the Mark Twain quote. So I encourage you to be in that mindset. As we continue to expose the evil and the light of truth continues to shine brighter and brighter. And all this ugliness is being exposed in this season. But what's the solution? What's the answer? The kingdom is the answer. And so we've got to go beyond our old mindsets and old doctrines and old religious influence and man's influence and cultural influence and all kinds of influences. And let there be one influence, the Holy Spirit writing truth on your heart. That is the only way to proceed from here on out. Any other way of trying to solve these problems in the world isn't going to work. There's only one way the way, and that's Jesus. But Jesus is not just your ticket to heaven. Jesus came to reconcile us back to our father, Abba. Father, a loving father. He came to restore us back to the culture, the kingdom of heaven as it was in the garden. It's amazing the fullness of what Jesus came to do. And so we've got to think differently, as Jesus said, and then we can see this kingdom more clearly. Dr. Jim Richards, today, the gospel of peace. There's now peace between God and man. Jesus took care of all that. And Jesus came to fully show us who God is. So in this season of clearing up in our heart what we believe about God and what we believe about ourselves. Identity, identity, identity. I thought it'd be a good time to talk to Jim or replay my initial, very first talk. I've interviewed Jim three or four times. I think this first one was impactful because Jim saw a lot of divine healing like we talked about last week with Jordan Rubin and with other guests about healing, divine healing, and God's will to heal. Jim saw Hundreds of healings. He'll talk about that here in a second. I mean, blind eyes open to the point it was just routine. But where Jim has landed is. Where so many of these folks are landed is identity, identity, identity. We've got to clear up these questions in our heart about God and about ourselves. And then we can love God and trust God fully. We can love ourself and we can love our neighbor as much as we love ourselves. So, guys, we'll jump right in with Jim Richards and hope you Enjoy. Hello, everybody. Dr. Ben Edwards here. Welcome to another episode of youf're the Cure. We've got a great show. I know I say that every week, but I'm predicting this show is going to be a landmark show and one that I'm going to reference often. Every patient I see. I just got done with a new patient, couple from South Texas, and we talked a lot about what we're going to talk about today on the show. And really every patient lately I've been talking about this. In fact, I was at a conference in Austin this weekend, was asked to speak there. It used to be called Keto Con, short for Ketogenic Diet and Conference ketocon. They changed the name this year to Hack your health, but it was all about keto and carnivore and diet. And I mean, it was cool. But I got on stage and told him, don't make keto your God and savior. And I also told him we actually probably need some balance in our diet, like fresh milled grains. Not, not bad. See the Sue Becker podcast. So I was kind of a disruptor, I think, at the ketocon. But we talked about the peace pillar. They asked me to speak on the peace pillar. And so I did. And after I was done, came off the stage, some folks came up to speak to me afterwards, a couple ladies in particular. One in particular was just crying. Younger lady, probably in her 30s, late 30s. And she told me for 13 years she's been sick, she's been infertile, she's tried all this stuff. And she turned around, started pointing to all the booths that were set up at that conference. And she said, I've been spending $500 a month with those guys, supplements and $400 a month with these guys, supplements and a $10,000 on that guy's gadget and hyperbaric chamber. And, and they're all good things. I mean, those are all beneficial. There's science behind them. We can prove, you know, why organ meats are good for you. Which was this $400 a month supplement company. It's not that they're bad. And what I told her, I mean, after listening, of course, and in love, I told her she needed to know who God was clearly in her heart. And she needed to know who she was, who God made her to be. And this was a heart issue. And there were things in her heart that were keeping her mitochondria from being optimal, even though she was doing, she said $400,000 worth of stuff over the past 13 years. So y' all know, over the past, really, many, many, many shows, really, since the first of the year, we've shifted. Peace pillars become priority. Movement, hydration, nutrition pillars are still pertinent. We need to steward the physical. But there's so much more to it, guys. And we're going to talk about that today. And almost forgot I was supposed to make announcements before we go here and get our guest. Jim Richards is with us today, but the announcements are June 22nd. We're having an open house here at the clinic in the Merck. You can get on the website to learn more about that. It's from 9 to 12. Tour the clinic, get a IV drip if you want it. I'm going to give a talk on the root cause of all disease, which is going to kind of dovetail with what we're talking about today, actually. But that's from 9 to 12, June 22nd. You can get on the website and read more about that. Actually, you can even reserve an IV if you want one to hydrate yourself. It's been so hot. Next July 27, there's a conference here in Lubbock, and that'll be at from 9am to 3. 45 Trinity Christian School on University Avenue. Guest speakers, Pastor Carrie Kirkwood from Tyler, Texas, Trinity Church, the author of the Power of Imagination. And I'm gonna have Pastor Kirkwood on here in a few weeks. And then I'll be speaking at that conference also. And then over towards Jim's Neck of the woods, August 10th, Oxford, Mississippi, there's a conference going on over there. Sue Becker's going to speak. I'm going to speak. I just got invited to that, actually, so I don't have every detail, but I know it's August 10th. I think it's from 8 to 3. Last thing over at the Merc, we've got vine wrapping right off the vine from Elohim Farms, peaches and plums. They are ready to go. So y' all come get those before they spoil. Go. Can your jelly or can your peaches or just eat them. But thank you, guys. Out at Elohim Farms, Amazing food, amazing garden, organic regenerated soil out there in East Lubbock. Took a urban degenerated lot and regenerated it. So. All right, guys, that's the announcements. So we're going to bring in Dr. Jim Richards, our guest today. Guys, I want to tell you real quick, here's a book, Gospel of Peace. Y' all know the peace pillar. I get it. Questions all the time. What do you mean? How do you get it? And give me the step. One, two, three. I know peace is important. Where's the book on it? Well, this is a pretty close if I was going to write something. And thank you, Mrs. Jennifer from East Tennessee or Middle Tennessee, who sent me this book and introduced me to Jim Richards. I didn't know Jim before this. And that led me to the next book, Heaven on Earth. Guys, we're going to be carrying both these books at the Merc. So when you come, come to the open house on 22nd. Hopefully we'll have them. The reason these two books have been so impactful for me and the reason we're going to carry them, the reason we have Jim on today is from what I just said about the lady at the ketocon conference, we get tempted to gain a lot of knowledge in the physical realm and expect that to heal us when all issues of the heart of the heart is what's. What's driving everything as a man thinketh in his heart. And we can gain a lot of knowledge. And we do need some knowledge. We need to renew our mind. An unrenewed mind, I think is probably at the root of everything thing that mitochondria cannot function optimally if we're thinking wrong. And honestly, guys, these two books are gonna, I think, open up and expand your mind and. And one thing Jim talks about in these books and we'll talk about here as I shut up and bring Jim on. I want to encourage y' all today, just have an open mind and open heart. You know, just think back to when you didn't understand that high fructose corn syrup wasn't meant to be consumed by humans. You didn't know that seed oils weren't a beneficial thing for your mitochondria. Remember when you thought loading yourself up with, well, I got to be careful what I say there. But with different medical therapies in your deltoid was a great thing, or just, you know, we didn't know stuff. And then we learned and we learned and we Got healthier and healthier. So same in regards to this because we're going into the soul and spirit instead of just the flesh. We tend to, it seems like, want to be right or get stuck in our doctrine. We have our opinions about stuff and we can kind of shut down. So just want to encourage you, have an open mind, a humble mind. And Jim, I'm going to butcher the quote. I don't want to waste time looking for the quote. I'll let you say it because it's from your book. But the Pharisees had a lot of information and knowledge about the Word, but a disciple had a heart that really wanted to learn how to interpret that word and change his life. So that's what we're going after Today, guys, with Dr. Jim Richard. Jim, welcome to the show, man. [00:09:50] Speaker B: It's good to be here with you. I'm always excited to get with people that are in medical practice because, you know, we are spirit, soul and body. And sometimes, sometimes ministers and ministries, they forget that we got a body that's living in a world that is under the curse of sin and that we have to work with that body and keep ourselves healthy. Because at the end of the day, what you're going to do with your life is going to be directly related to how much energy you have. And so if you're not getting well, you're not creating energy. But I mean, we know the deeper thing is at the heart. But I'm just, in other words, all that's just. I'm just really, really thankful that we got to meet and that and that we're doing this. [00:10:36] Speaker A: Well, thank you, Jim. And I want to go because in one of the books I think is Gospel of Peace, you talk about ceiling seeing all these healings, like New Testament type miracle healings around the world. And guys, I just want to say, I know I've had Andrew Wommack and Jim Baker and some other folks on talking about that very thing. The producer of the movie Sin Proof. Y' all go back and listen Jeffrey Tyner and all this evidence of miracle divine healing. But let's rewind real quick. I was just a conventional, regular old doctor, didn't know anything alternative until the Lord arranged a circumstance divine appointment. Opened my eyes to nutrition matters and movement matters and sunshine matters in the physical. And it was amazing. Then he opened my eyes to the kingdom and said gospel salvation only the gospel of the kingdom. That was huge. But then two years ago, when I asked him what I asked God, what's a doctor in the kingdom? Supposed to be. And where I went looking and found divine healing all through scripture. So of course, we jumped right on that. That's awesome. Yeah, Jesus bought and paid for it. I have a book about healings paid for in the atonement. And it proves it doctrinal, doctrinally, and with Hebrew and all that. Translate. Here's what the Atonement covered, and it kind of proved it. I even saw some of that two years ago when I first started getting into this healing thing, divine healing, man. This is true. It's true. But then we kind of hit up against some stuff, some doctrines of man. So I went hunting on, well, why. Why doesn't this work sometimes? Or why is there such resistance? And what I found was my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. And then I found doctrines of man make the word of God to none effect. And then I found hometown thinking. People in Jesus's hometown weren't looking at him as messiah and, and healer. So they weren't looking for it in their heart and they didn't get it. It didn't. Wasn't that Jesus didn't have power. So hometown thinking. And last one, apistos, the Greek word for unbelief that he used with the disciples when the epileptic boy, they couldn't heal him. So those are four big things what would drive Apistos. The inability to believe a doctrine is the definition of apistos. There's a lot of that in our. In our intellectual doctrines of man. There's a lot of that. So that's kind of where I started saying, okay, Lord, we've got to really go this foundational. We got to set the context for divine healing. And the context is the kingdom of God. Well, what does that mean? Well, there's so much there. And so what I started asking and praying for is where can we go or who can we talk to to set the stage and set this context, I'll call it for the kingdom. What is that? And yeah, healing's part of it. So, Jim, speak to that, because you mentioned that in the book. I think you said hundreds even of healings that you saw. But. And I'll let you fill in the blank on that, but. [00:13:14] Speaker B: Well, you know, I had this passion to go where the gospel had never been preached. And that that's quite a. A daunting task because some version of the gospel has been preached pretty much almost all over the world. But so I started going to, you know, other countries doing these, doing what I call jungle crusades. And this would be this would be where I would hike off into the jungle somewhere. And. And, you know, we get some guys with some motorbikes and megaphones, and they would ride through the mountains and through the jungle saying that bring the sick, bring, you know, bring the cripple, blank. Bring the blind. And. And they're going to get healed. And so a jungle cruise, when you do a crusade in like a. A capital city or something, there's gonna be thousands of people. A jungle crusade, a phenomenal jungle crusade is a thousand or two thousand people. But most jungle crusades have five or six hundred people. So sure enough, man, people would come and, you know, and we didn't have anything fancy. Sometimes I would just stand up on a rock, a big. A big bowler or something, and reach. So people would come and they would. They would bring the cripple on stretchers and. And they would lead the blind in and all that kind of stuff. And so it was. It was a pretty, you know, kind of amazing thing that I don't even know how many blind people we saw get healed. And we would have people from the villages come up to say, was this person really blind or not? And because we wanted to check up and say, you know, is this the real deal? And I. I remember one time we were doing a particular crusade, and so somebody came up to share testimony, and we had a. We had a. A translator interpreter over here, and they would come up and tell him what they want to share. And I noticed that he sent this person back. And so I asked him, I said, so what's the deal with. Did that person not have something legitimate to share? He said, is just another blind person got healed. And there have been so many blind testimonies in that particular meeting that it was sort of like, that's not exciting anymore. We need something else. Well, you know, the question that people ask me is this, well, why do you see miracles like that and healings like that and you don't see them in the United States? And, you know, you made a statement that's true, but we have to understand the opposite side of the statement. There is. There is gross lack of knowledge, biblical knowledge in, In America or really in the whole world. But in America, the big problem is not. The biggest problem may not be the lack of knowledge. The bigger problem may be false knowledge, corrupt knowledge, knowledge that's based on, like you said, like, on. On traditions and. And, you know, religious ideas and doctrinal affiliations and all those kinds of things, because everything that God's going to do, he's going to do in our heart. Well, the problem is, if our heart is already filled with. With traditions and opinions, then we're not going to let the word of God in. So, you know, that book you have, Heaven on Earth, is part of a. As part of a trilogy on the king, the kingdom of God. Well, you know, Jesus, when talking about the seed, so the word, you know, the word of God is a seed, and that's got to be able to get into our hearts and. And actually take root to produce fruit. And. And if it doesn't get in our heart, it doesn't produce fruit because it has no root on it. Well, when Jesus taught this, you know, he made a clear distinction between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven. Now, the kingdom of God is where we enter into a relationship with God through the lordship of Jesus. In other words, there is a king, he rules in a kingdom. We get born again, we become citizens in that kingdom. But part of the citizenship in that kingdom is surrendering to the lordship of Jesus. Once we have established ourselves in the fact that, okay, Jesus is Lord, so I'm gonna. I'm gonna go wherever, wherever the Word leads me, wherever he leads me. Then we have this opportunity to enter into this realm which. Which is as much an internal realm as it is an external realm. But we enter this realm called the kingdom of heaven. Now, the kingdom of heaven, you know, in. In many of the Gospels, you'll see the. The phrasing kingdom of God. But then in other Gospels, you'll see the phrasing kingdom of heaven. And so people have a tendency to say, well, see, they're just synonymous. Well, actually, there are no synonyms in the Bible because God's got a great command of the language. And when there are words that look like synonyms, they tend to. They tend to always be revealing something that may be similar to something else, but it's not a exact replica. And so the kingdom of heaven is not when we go to heaven after we die, the kingdom of heaven is when we enter into a realm here in this life where we have the access to the resources of heaven. And so that's where we want to take people. We want to take people to a place in their heart where they realize and they make the choice and they gain that access. I mean, so it's given to them freely. It's not like they have to earn it or anything, but they do have to believe. Believe it. [00:19:14] Speaker A: Yeah. So in your experience, what are the primary obstacles? And I kind of know this already, and that's one thing that also attracted me to Jim. If you don't believe that God created you, us created everything. I mean, that's a foundational principle. And actually that's where I started. 18 years ago, we couldn't get pregnant. After 24 months, I cried out to the Lord and Matthew 6:33 popped up. Seek you first the kingdom. I got down on my knees. My wife and I, we weren't seeking the kingdom. We were seeking a baby 24 months in a row. Crash and burn with every negative pregnancy test. And I read that verse. We got on our knees, prayed to God, said we're not seeking that and we want to forgive us. Forget this baby thing. We want the kingdom. But then I asked, what's the kingdom? You're gonna have to show us what that is. But the very next thing I prayed was I believe, but help me with my unbelief because I sat under the religion of Darwinism was 12, five days a week for 12 years of school. And that influenced me. How could Genesis and Darwin both be true in our whole medical system and science, I'll put in quotes, there is based on Darwin. [00:20:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:21] Speaker A: So maybe let's touch on that a little. And then, then we got to go to our belief in God, who God is in our mind, in our heart. Who is God and who does he say we are? Those are foundational pieces for this kingdom thing and for your heart. [00:20:33] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:20:34] Speaker A: For a minute. [00:20:35] Speaker B: Well, you know, I have some things that, that I call the pillars of faith. And there's. And of course a pillar is something that's sustain, something you, you can build on top of it. It's almost like a, it's almost like a, a footing under a building that has been dug down really, really deep, you know, with, with everything to make it stable. Well, the first pillar of faith is creation. If we do not accept God's version of creation and the real truth is everything else in the Bible, we will always suspect that on some level it's a myth. Once we, once we believe that that creation was a myth. And so that that is a pillar of faith that I'm, I'm glad we're going to talk about either this time or sometime in the future. But in the book the Gospel of Peace, and this kind of relates to the whole kingdom of heaven kind of thing. In, in the Old Testament, the, the sacrifices, you know, most people try to convince us that the sacrifices, it was all about legalism and, and God was angry and God was, you know, fear based. No, absolutely none of that. Is true. That has been handed down to us through religious tradition. You know, Habakkuk2 says, says that the just live by faith. There's never been anybody declared righteous by God other than through the process of faith. And, and God would not have established a legalistic system when he is a God who responds to faith or trust. So. But under the sacrifices, the most celebrated and anticipated sacrifice was the peace offering. Now when we talk about peace and in the English language, we are talking about just kind of a, a state of mind. You know, we're talking about not having trepidation or dread or, or whatever. But as you know, you know, the word peace comes from the Hebrew word shalom. And that Hebrew word shalom means to heal. It means to prosper. It means to be blessed. It means to have a tranquil state of mind. It is a very, very comprehensive word. And so, and so with the peace of God, you have that peace that the Bible is talking about because of the resources that are available to you. And I'm talking about heart resources. Heart resources eventually come into our external life, but they all start in the heart. So in the, in the Old Testament, when a person, let's say a person starts feeling like that, okay, I don't feel connected with God. I kind of feel guilty about something that I've done. So they would go, they would go to make a sacrifice in the tabernacle or at the temple. And, and so when they would go to make that sacrifice, they weren't there trying to get God to come to them. In the Hebrew, I can't remember if it's the word offering or the word sacrifice or at the moment, but the particular word that describes the sacrifices means draw near. And it's not talking about God drawing near. It's not us drawing back near to him because we are the one that created the gap. We are the one that our guilty conscious made us, you know, you know, draw back. So when a person would, would bring a sacrifice for sin, well now for us, we look to Jesus and acknowledge he has forgiven me. My sins have already been forgiven. And that was God's promise. Even back then. He didn't say, if you'll bring a sacrifice, I'll come. He said, I'm there. And so a draw near offering, and there's a overwhelming amount of evidence in this, in the, in the scripture, a draw near offering does not draw God near to you. It in your heart, it draws you near to him. And so they would go in and man, they would have a sacrifice. And after they had that sacrifice because they knew in their heart now they felt reconnected to God. They. Sometimes they would mix a peace offering with their sin offering, but a lot of times it would be a secondary offering. Now, that peace offering was not an offering to get peace. That peace offering was a celebration. Now that we have drawn back ourselves back to God, now we have peace. And the way the Hebrews looked at that and understood that from what Moses had taught them was that that place of peace, that tranquility that we want in life comes only when we have the resources of heaven available to us. In other words, if I know healing is mine, if I know prosperity is my. If I know joy is mouth, I know, you know, whatever, I know all these things, then suddenly I'm back into a tranquil state of mind. I'm not worried, I'm not afraid. I'm not worn out in unbelief. And so. And so this whole thing about peace and the, you know, the. The big picture peace is what. What I found in my. In my clinic that I had was that until we could help a person come to a place where they had the peace of God in their hearts, even if we got them better physically, they could. They would never stay well. [00:26:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:21] Speaker B: And. But once we brought them to a place through ministry to help them have and experience the peace of God, their hearts, they would. They would very quickly respond to whatever treatment we were giving them. They would. They would recover rapidly and stay well. [00:26:38] Speaker A: Yeah. And guys, I forgot to mention, Jim has a doctorate in alternative medicine, so he had a clinic, too. Jim, I want to hit on a couple of things that, you know, this understanding of who God is, it for sure. Creation, you got to have that down. Genesis is true. How he created this thing is true. If it's a myth, then you can't trust anything. But then the next little twist where Satan went next to break that trust thing between God and man, and it seems to really manifest in a lot of people's hearts right now or forever. I guess it has to do with sovereignty of God and sin coming in this fallen world and bad things in the world and. And God's will, the sovereignty thing and God's will. I heard it just this week from a believer and loves Jesus. And. But it basically said, you know, we can handle hard things in our day because we know God's in control and God put him there, and so it must be for our benefit. So all these hard issues in life, and even he was talking about a young person dying of cancer at a Young age. But really every hard thing, it's. And I know his heart, I think, is more of, hey, I trust God. I'm just gonna go to the Word and trust God, trust God, trust God. But the part that man has to play in things, and this is a big question because it goes into sowing and reaping the sovereignty of God versus. Wait a minute. And God's will, you know, God's will you talk about in the book was the Garden of Eden. If you're wondering about God and his relationship with man and his will, look at the garden. If you want to look in the New Testament, Jesus came to reveal his father. So look at what Jesus did and how he acted, how he talked and how he interacted and with the adulteress or whatever. Then, you know, God. So can you talk a little bit about how we've got this clouded view of an angry God and really how Lucifer brought this thing in? And if we can put God up here as this angry, vengeful thing, then Lucifer is coming to set you free from that angry. I mean, just that whole concept. I'll let you. [00:28:40] Speaker B: That's exactly right. You know, I. I've extensively studied what. What happened with. With Adam's offspring. And. And you see that the bloodline of Cain, it was the bloodline that pretty much brought all of the iniquity into the ancient world. It was the bloodline where the women began to. To cohabitate with fallen angels. I mean, and so. So there was a corruption that came into the world very, very early. And so. So the occult doctrine says that God is in control of everything. And if he's in control of everything, then. And you have wars and you have people dying prematurely, you have people murdering other people, then you. The occult approaches, so then he is not really a good God. And so throughout all of the occult, throughout all of these secret societies that even still exist, the idea is that Lucifer is actually the deliverer. He came and delivered us from this oppressive God who wanted to take away all of the fun, all the enjoyment, all the pleasure we could have in life and, And. And control us and keep us under his thumb. Well, that's what humanism teaches right now. That's what socialism teaches right now. It teaches that, you know, psychiatry teaches that sin is not a problem. It is not a. It is not the root of these things that have. In our life. It says that the belief in sin is the problem. And if you didn't believe in sin, you could do anything you wanted to and you'd never Feel bad about it. Well, I got news for you. I, I got over a half century in ministry and I've worked with people that didn't believe sin would hurt them and they lost their minds, they destroyed their lives, all that kind of stuff. But we have to realize that, that all of this stuff originated from Lucifer. Then it didn't come out of the Bible. Now another interesting thing is this, you know, and propaganda, Propaganda is a really interesting thing. And propaganda, one of the things that you realize is if you can just redefine individual words, then those words represent concepts and those concepts are the precursor to ideals and beliefs and beliefs then drive everything, everything in our life. And so one of the things that, that the church has done for 2000 years and the Jews did it before the church is the redefining of biblical words. And I have found that you can be having a conversation with somebody and you're saying the exact word, biblical word or biblical terminology, they're saying, and you can't understand why, why are we not getting on the same page? Because you find out they have a definition that's not a biblical definition. So when you go to the word sovereignty, there's several things you have to realize. First of all, the word sovereignty is not in the Bible, not in the, not in the original language. Secondly, religion has redefined the word sovereignty. And so to most people, sovereignty means one of two things. It means that, that God is in control of everything. Which is, which is what you were citing there. That idea that he's control of everything and, and that he can do whatever he wants to do. Well, both of those are anti scriptural. You know, when in the second pillar of faith, my first pillars, you got to believe creation. Second pillar of faith is you've got to believe what God said about creating mankind. And so we were created in the likeness and image of God. Now here, this is, I'm telling you, I don't want, I don't want to make anybody mad. Probably will. But you know, my theory is, is when we hear something, whatever offends us the most has the potential to set us free the most. [00:33:10] Speaker A: Amen. [00:33:11] Speaker B: Because we get offended, because we're not free, we're not enjoying it. So this may be offensive, but I just encourage some of you, if it is, just, just kind of read the Bible, pray it through, work it through. I'm not saying you just have to accept it because, because I'm saying it, but so the Bible says that God made us in his own image and that he gave us dominion over the Entire earth. Now, Mark 12 gives us a parable that explains how everything in planet Earth works. And that parable says that there was a man who owned a field. God owns planet Earth. He always has, always will. But in this parable he says, but he leased it out. Now, when you lease something out, you still own it, but you no longer have authority over it. The people that you lease it to has authority. So God gave us authority. And authority means the right to do things. And so man had authority here on planet Earth, which means that God, who is bound by his word. So this is why I can't buy into the definition of sovereignty, says God can do anything you want. Because once God says something is true, he never changes, he never repents, he never goes back on it. And so when he gave us authority over planet Earth and man, this is where people just lose their minds. Then that meant he no longer had authority in planet Earth. He could no longer act in planet Earth apart from acting through people. That's why we have prophets. That's why we have all the different ministry gifts. Is. Is we are supposed to be establishing the kingdom of God here on earth until Jesus comes, and we're supposed to be his ambassadors. And so then there's another famous doctrine that is totally untrue that says, well, when sin came into the picture, then man lost his authority or he gave it to the devil. Well, number one, since God gave us authority, we don't have the right to give it to the devil or give it to anybody else. Only God. Only God can do that. Secondly, you. You realize that when Jesus came and ministered here on planet earth, he emptied himself. He was. He was the Christ. He was the Son of God, but he emptied himself of all of those attributes according to Philippians 2, and was found in. In every way as a man, yet without sin. So when you look at Jesus and what he did, almost everybody believes that he did the miracles that he did because he was the Son of God. That's not what he said. He said, I do. I have authority because I'm the Son of man. And so Jesus, he modeled for us exactly how we should. Should connect to God, how we should trust God, how we should minister to God. He. He modeled that. Now, if he was modeling that as the Christ, then that would mean nothing to us. That would mean John 14:12, he that believeth on me shall do the works I do and greater. That would mean that that's a lie. If he did any miracles as the Christ, but because he did everything he did as According to Acts 10:38, I think it is. It says that. It says that. It says Jesus went about healing good and, you know, deliver those who were oppressed because the Holy Spirit was. Was on. He was working through the same process of the Holy Spirit that we were or that we are. Because he was a man, he didn't inherently have that. He didn't have the power, but he had the authority. So in authority, that means we have the right to do something, but we don't really have the power. Only God has the power which works through us in the Holy Spirit. And there's really one other little. I mean, there's several more. But one other interesting caveat I want to bring out. When Jesus was getting ready to leave Mark 28, he makes this statement that seems to be totally detached from the context. You know, this. This is where he says he. You know, where he tells us to go into all there, make disciples and sort of thing. But what's interesting there, he says, all authority has been given to me in heaven and earth. Now, the significance of that is that Jesus now has the right to come back in his second coming and exercise authority here on earth because he's Son of Man, but he also has the. The authority in heaven because he's the Son of God. And so for the first time, you know, heaven and earth can be joined together through the authority that he has as a man, through the authority he has as a son of God. So this gets really shocking for people. And one of the reasons people resist this is because if the devil has no authority, then how. How does he mess us up? He only messes us up in the places where we let him, where we. Where we choose to believe something, you know. You know that's not true. And so that means I've got to accept some responsibility. I've got to. I've got to be the one. And Jesus taught about this. And using the keys to the kingdom, we have got to be the one to know what he settled in heaven, and then it is our role to establish it in our lives here on Earth. So knowing that God is creator and everything the Bible says about creation is true. But number two, understanding about how he created us and how he established our role here on planet Earth. [00:39:21] Speaker A: Yeah, guys, I want to just give a real practical example of what Jim's talking about. I think I've mentioned this before on the show. You know, if my daughter was late to work and because maybe mama needed some help with the baby at home, and so that was good. She needed to help her mom. But now she's going to be late to work. And instead of calling the boss at work and saying, hey, I'm going to be 10 minutes late because I had this thing at home, my mom needed me, whatever, and a righteous boss would understand, no problem. Well, if she just decided because her thinking was maybe under the influence of man pleasing. I've got a speed to get to work on time so my boss won't be mad at me. And she pushes that accelerator down and she gets a speeding ticket. God was not in control of her foot. That was up to her. Now, that's a minor little thing, a speeding ticket, but you can take that all the way out to mass murder and all kinds of every evil thing. And we humans get to choose things ultimately because we need to choose love. If you don't have free will, choice, you can't love. And we need to love God and love our neighbors ourself. And that's the foundation of all this. So that whole love thing's pretty important. But Jim, this kind of dovetail in God's will, you know, God's will was for, I don't know if it's 2 million or whatever Israelites to enter the promised land. And two got to do that because those people had a decision to make in their heart and really going to trust. So maybe talk about that God's will and then we can even go into the type and shadow of coming out of Egypt, crossing the Red Sea, wander around the wilderness, entering the promised land. And what does that mean in our life today? Because we got a lot of people and I'm not pointing my finger, I mean, pointing at me, wandering around in the wilderness in our flesh, not trusting. It's this whole thing. And not being able to fully trust who God says he is, his character and nature, where there's something in our heart, we still question that thing. We got to clear that up. But talk about that God's will for those Israelites and the type and shadows there. [00:41:15] Speaker B: Well, let me say that so far you're bringing out some of the most essential points that I have ever had anybody want to talk about in an interview. And that's, that's over a half a century. So man, don't get all blown up and get all filled with ego. But I'll pat you on the back when I get to meet you in person. [00:41:36] Speaker A: All right, thank you, Jim. My wife tells me she's in charge of keeping my big head from ballooning. We still have goats and I, we tried to Sell the goats last week and we sold a lot of them. But she said, we gotta keep these goats around, keep you humble. So thank you. [00:41:53] Speaker B: But the will of God, this is so incredibly interesting and this is so simple. But again, religion has the way religion has taught us the most simple and obvious things in the scripture. We just overlook and don't really pay any attention to them. And we're running around looking for some kind of answer. When it's right there. It's black and white, simple. So one, one of the first things when we talk about the will of God, I, I'm convinced based on Ministering 101 to thousands of people over the years. When most people talk about the will of God, they really mean the willingness of God. So, so a person, I don't know if it's a will of God and you're like. And when you start talking to them, you find out what they really mean. I don't know if God's willing to do this. Now, I'm not going to dive too far on that. But that gets into the whole identity problem. If you know that you're righteous, if you know that being in Christ, washing the blood makes you righteous, then you know, according to the book of Colossians, that you are qualified for every aspect of the inheritance. So that if you're in Christ, there is no question about willingness. So you know, that's the, that's the first thing that always comes to my mind. But when you think about what is God. Okay, so what is God willing to do? Well, we'll use that terminology a little bit. Well, well, first of all, and, and you know, you brought it out. The one place where God had total control is in the garden. The next place where God will have total control is in New Jerusalem. So if it was his will that sickness, disease, poverty, if any of those things were his will, they would have been present in the garden and they would be present in, in New Jerusalem, but they're not. Now moving forward from, from the garden, we come to the fact. Psalm 138 says, it says that God has exalted His Word in His name above all things. Now if, if God's see God's word or God's name gives you simple definitions, and then God's Word expounds on that and shows you what it looks like in real life. So if God's name is Jehovah Rovi, the Lord God, Jehovah who heals, if that's his name, then if I say, well, no, sometimes God makes you Sick. Well, then the problem is I am taking the name of Jehovah Rofi in vain. I am, I am counting it as untrue. I'm counting God as a liar about his identity. Everyone, the covenant names of God reveals a very specific aspect of not only who he is, but what we can expect from him. You know, one of the interesting things about our God, all of the occult, all the pagan gods, all of the secret societies, none of them does the God want you to know them. Now I'm talking about God with a little G. You never know what to anticipate. They were always afraid what's coming next. What's he going to do? He, you know, you know, he's fickle. Whatever God, they're working, he's fickle. He's on and off. He'll do this today, he won't do this tomorrow. So, so with God, he gave us all this information so there would never be a question about what we could expect from him. So you move from, from God's names and then, and man, here, here is the one that I just, I'm telling you, I, I just stand dumbfounded constantly. But at the degree that we have Jesus on our lips, but not in our heart, because Jesus is the exact representation of God According to Hebrews 1:3, according to John, first chapter, what, 12:14 version or somewhere, he is the Word made flesh. And so, you know, Jesus said, you want to see the Father? Just look at me. I'm not going to do anything that's out of harmony with who God is, out of harmony with God's intention, out of harmony with his purposes, out of harmony with his will. And so we, it's amazing, we run all over the Bible looking for doctrine to build our faith on, but we leave Jesus out of it. Because the truth is, every doctrine that I think I discover anywhere in the scripture, my responsibility, if Jesus is my Lord, is to take that and say, okay, the acid test is, is this in harmony with his name? Is this in harmony with my Savior, the person who showed me in the flesh what God's like and how God works, how God functions. So you never have one time that Jesus ever walked up to somebody said, you know what? I'm gonna make you sick for a little while and I, I'll come back later and that'll teach you, you know what you need to do, or I'm gonna, I'm gonna put some kind of curse on you. And, and that's, that's what God is going to use to develop you. So if I don't see Jesus do something. I can never interpret other scriptures to imply that God would do something different than what Jesus would do. So our tenant. Our problem is we don't even look at Jesus to determine and understand who God is. There's this dichotomy between the God of the Old Testament and Jesus of the New Testament. Most people don't even see how it fits together. Well, the only reason the God of the Old Testament looks so bad is mainly because of legalistic negative things we have been taught that are not really written in Scripture. But then you move forward to one other spot and we're talking about the will of God. How do we know the will of God? And, and this is the boy. This is one of the clearest scriptures that we get. This, you know, the Apostle Paul and, and Second Corinthians one, maybe about 18 or 19. He says, now when I preach the gospel to you, my message was not yes and no. And most of the gospel, most of the messages I've ever heard, first of all, I've never heard a preacher in over half century that actually preached the gospel when they thought they were. And we, I'm not saying they're, they're not saved. I'm just saying, I'm not saying they didn't hit some part of it, but they leave out the part, the only part that has to do with, with what our faith is supposed to work from. And we can jump into that some more voluntary. But anyhow, so, so Paul said my message to you when? Yesterday. And you know this, you know, there are numerous, really nationwide ministries that they have ghost purchasers that buy all of my books and about thousands of dollars worth of my messages. And so sometimes, sometimes I'll get a call from somebody, they'll say, turn the television on right now. So, and so is on here. And he's preaching from your book. I used to get that all the time. But I would hear these people and they would preach something really good out of one of my books about how willing and positive and all this. But then, you know, two or three sentence later they would start throwing a, a negative in there. I know. Well, so it's yes, sometimes is no. Well, if that kind of makes it subjective and difficult to figure out what I'm supposed to do if God, if God doesn't make it clear. So he says our gospel to you was not yes and no. He says our gospel to you was yes. And then he, then he brings it down to no. One translation says no matter how many promises God has ever made. They are all yes and amen if you're in Jesus. So how can I take that and say, well, no, sometimes God wants me sick, or no, sometimes God doesn't want to heal me. I mean, Jesus never walked up to a blind man and made him cripple. You know, he healed him. So God's will is incredibly simple. Now, where it gets complicated for us is. Is we don't know the difference between what's going to happen in our heart and what has already happened in God's heart. Does that, does that make sense? [00:50:28] Speaker A: It does. And why don't you just take right from there. What is God's will? I'm going to say life and life more abundantly because that's what Jesus came to do and to set those captives free and to open the blind eyes of our heart. But, I mean, I think you. You've nailed that probably. Really, really. [00:50:47] Speaker B: Good, good. [00:50:48] Speaker A: And. And guys, we're not saying this. I'm my heart in this for sure. My heart is compassion for the people. I'm pretty sure I can speak for Jim, too. He. He was a practitioner of alternative medicine and a minister of the truth. And that I see patients every day and my heart is for them to be well made whole and go be who God made them to be. [00:51:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:08] Speaker A: And don't be stuck in this thing of treating symptoms holistically or pharmaceutically. Just be. Well, be made whole. But it's a heart issue. And when we don't have that heart and we don't know the will of God and we don't know the truth. And you just said, Jim, you. When you're in Jesus. [00:51:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:27] Speaker A: So talk about lordship. We only hit. We got about 12 minutes left or so. So we may have to do a part two for sure. We're gonna have to do a part two because there's so many more things I want to get to. [00:51:35] Speaker B: Oh, man. I. I'll be here as often as you want me to. [00:51:38] Speaker A: Well, thank you. I was raised in a denomination and a lot of my patients are believers, most almost all. And guys, if you're not, you want to, that's fine. We love you. We love our neighbor. Doesn't matter who, who, what religion or whatever, background. But I'm just saying where we're at, buckle the Bible belt. A lot of. A lot of denominations. It just was. So what I was preached was turn or burn, get saved. You know, you're going to go to hell if you don't believe. Jesus died for you and accept him in your heart as your personal savior. And. And so I did. And looking back, mostly out of fear, which. How could that be Spirit. He didn't give a spirit of fear, but fear kind of anyways. Manipulation and fear, but salvation. My personal savior, Lord, I got the personal savior part down pretty darn pat. The Lord, Lordship. You mentioned that earlier. We, you know, these promises when you're in Jesus Christ, in us and us in him, but this Lordship thing kind of go into what is lordship. How does that actually look in your life and your day to day? And how can that get your heart off? [00:52:45] Speaker B: We would understand lordship if the message that brought us to Jesus was actually the gospel. I'm not saying we don't get part of the gospel. I mean, in the, in the last 20 years, I don't know that I have met a believer that understood or that had made a commitment to Jesus as Lord. Now, I'm not saying they're not saved, but I'm saying just like you mentioned, and we won't have time going today. They're like the children of Israel who just wondered in the wilderness. It should have taken them 11 days to walk from Mount Sinai to Crossing the river into Canaan, but it took them 40 years because they wondered aimlessly. And the reason they wondered aimlessly because they didn't trust God as their Lord, as their absolute, that everything that he said would absolutely be true. So Paul says in First Corinthians 15, verses 1 through 4, when he describes the gospel that he preached. He said, it's about what happened on the cross, in the grave, and through the resurrection. Now I just got to. I meet people that have. I meet people in the ministry that can't tell you what happened when Jesus was in the grave. They can't tell you clearly what happened on the cross. They. They can hit part of it. And so I'm not saying, again, I'm not saying they're not saved. I'm not saying they're not good people. But see, we are called to participate in what the Bible calls reconciliation. And the word reconciliation basically means exchange. Now, the reason that's so very important is because when sin came into the world, we. It wasn't the loss of our authority that caused everything in the world to go wrong. It was because we lost our image. We were created in the image and the likeness of God. We had this connection with God. We knew who we were in relationship to Him. We were like, we were like, we were like a prince, the son of a king, who just grows up knowing I've got authority, you know, knowing that I rule and reign. And. And that's how it was when man had a sense who he was. And so the problem. The world would have been better off if we had lost our authority. But the problem is when we lost our identity, then we began to turn to the world system to try to meet the needs in our life that God was meeting when we were intimately connected to him. So Jesus comes on the scene and what he wants to do. And I think this is at the heart of what he wants them because, you know, salvation, abundant life, all of those things are. I see as a lot of those are fruit. They're not root. They're not. They're not the core factor. And so one of the core factors that Jesus came to resolve was to restore our identity, to restore our sense of our. Of. Of our image in Christ. Who are we to God now that we are in Christ? So in this. And this happens through the exchange, Romans 8, 28 and 29, you know, tells us that. That God predestined that we be conformed to the image of His Son. Well, that word conformed in the Greek means jointly conformed or jointly transformed. And so this takes a mystery out of what it means to be in Christ as we start saying, well, wait, wait a minute. Okay, jointly conform, jointly transform. What does that look like? Well, that's reconciliation. Put in practice on the cross, Jesus became our sin. So this means that in my heart and, you know, man, I have all kinds of exercises that I use to do this in my own life, in my heart, I want to. I want to look at and experience Jesus on the cross. And I want to experience that realization of my sin leaving me and going to him on the cross. That's. That's the first part of reconciliation. The first exchange that happens is he gets my sin. Now then when Jesus dies. And sadly, almost everything we've been taught about the death of Jesus is not in the Bible. It's very. Some of it's very contrary to what's in the Bible. You know, people talk about Jesus died on Friday and raised on Sunday, and somehow another, that's three days and three nights in the grave. Now, that's kind of almost insignificant, but I always bring that point out. So if we stumble, if we get it wrong and we can't count three days, you know, from the resurrection backwards, then if we can't count three days, we're probably gonna get a bunch of other stuff wrong. So in the grave, this is where Jesus suffered all the curses of the law, all the, the. All of the ultimate consequences that we should have faced if, if we had not gotten free from our sin and man. You read Jonah, chapter two. There's all kinds of vivid descriptions of what he did because he became our sin. He didn't go to hell as a righteous man, he went. Or Hades didn't go to hell, he didn't go to Hades as, as a righteous man, he went to Hades bound by our sin. And man, he talks about, you know, Jonah talks about, the psalmist talks about, about this incredible struggle that he went through. And the whole struggle that he was going through was whether or not he would believe that he was who God said he was. And so in the grave, and we know we have the various scriptures that Jesus thought about and quote it, you know, I am a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek, you know, you know, I'll be raising the dead. My enemies shall be my footstool, the scepter of my thrones, a scepter of righteousness. Jesus used those very scriptures to, in his heart to say, this is who I am. I am the righteousness of God. So you see, when he did that, well, first of all, he took the ultimate consequences. You know, when he said on the cross, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? He wasn't just quoting scripture. He was going through what we would have to go through. He was alienated from God and he had to be to go, to go to Hades. And so, so there he is. So I look at that, I go through another part of the exchange. I will never have to face and carry those curses. He carried them for me. But then the third part of the exchange, which is the most significant for functional living for us, was in order for him to be raised from the dead, he had to conquer. Every sin I ever have committed, every sin I ever would commit, he had to overcome it. And so he overcame our sin. He overcame all principalities and powers. He, you know, he conquered all the power of the devil and, and actually rose up out of the grave and went and stripped Satan of all his principality and power. Every. Everything that, that we say he had, you know, if he had any authority, it got straight up from him. But the thing, then the next part of this, this exchange, this reconciliation is now when he's raised from the dead, I've got to look at him and say that everything that he is now I am because I believe in him. I believe literally into him. I believe that I'm in. So I have now shared all of these ex. All of these experiences that he has had. So at that point, when we have really seen and heard what he really did for us, what he really went through for us, it becomes very easy to trust him as Lord, because based on the price that he paid for us, we're not going to be concerned that he's going to do something mean. We're not going. We're going to. Not going to be concerned that he's suddenly going to become this, this hard taskmaster because. Because of the price that he paid for us. And it's the failure really of ministers to preach the full counsel of God concerning the deathbed resurrection that makes people approach Jesus. More from a. I just want to get saved. I just want to go to heaven. I just don't want to go to hell. But that doesn't mean that they have made the decision about lordship. And so if you know what he did for you there, you never question his love for you. You'll trust him as Lord. And that is our entrance way into the kingdom of God. And the next step is now, what all did he do for me? And I began to renew my mind and, you know, fill my heart and mind full of everything he's done for me. Now suddenly I have a heart that's filled with faith, filled with the life of God. Easy to trust Him. All I've got to do to trust him is look at his track record. What did he do for me and what he do when he was walking earth. But everything that we experience in relation to the power of God is what happened on the cross and the grave and through the resurrection, not what he did when he walked planters. That's. That's a model of what we can do. Did that. I mean, did I make that too muddy or. [01:02:28] Speaker A: No, that was really, really good. And I. That explanation of what he did on the cross, in the grave, in Hades. Do you have that in a book? I haven't read that. In the Gospel of Peace, Heaven on Earth. [01:02:42] Speaker B: You know what? One of the books I'm going to be releasing, I. I did this years ago and I just never released. I got a book called Three Days that Changed the World. And that, that all that book is about is what really happened on the cross, what really happened in the grave, and what really happened through the resurrection. And those are the three days that our faith has to be rooted in, not the historical life of Jesus. The historical life of Jesus helps us, it encourages us, it shows us who God is. It shows us who we can be if we'll trust God. But our faith is ultimately the death, burial and resurrection. [01:03:19] Speaker A: Yeah, well Jim, we're, we're right at one hour and I could keep going for probably three more. I mean I took so many notes in both these books. I'll hold them up one more time guys. Heaven on Earth and Gospel of Peace and there's plenty more. These are the first two I started with. They're all awesome. We'll have them for sale later in the mercury. Jim, what's the best way for people to follow you and or get your books and learn more, hear more from you? [01:03:44] Speaker B: Well impactministries.com or, or Dr. Jim richards.com Every Thursday I release a free message on onto YouTube and I'll probably do that till I go home be with Jesus. And we, you know, on my website we have tons of free. For example, I have over 2, 000 video sermons on my website that are all free. And so people can go check out any topic that they want. Hundreds of topics. And so then we, then of course we have a, a store where you can order my books. Order. Order those kinds of things. [01:04:25] Speaker A: Awesome. Well guys, I just want to reiterate the point of today's show and in future shows will if we're blessed enough for Jim to come back. But. And the reason the Lord said flip these pillars, peace, movement, hydration, nutrition instead of those other way that we've done for is because of what Jim's saying and what this the word, the word of truth. The truth says it, it impacts our heart. And our heart is where our, our cells are feeding off the vibrational frequency of this heart belief. And you cannot lie to your autopilot nervous system. The autonomic nervous system is reading your heart and your autopilot's gonna flip. Fight or flight or rest and digest. And when it flips rest and digest, it shuts down your immune system, your GI system, your hormone system, neurons, shred your metabolism. All these complaints and symptoms and diseases, all these consequences are rooted in that autopilot feeding off the heart, which is influenced by these beliefs that are influenced by either the truth or not the truth. And that is just the bottom line. And it's a journey. And if you're at the very beginning of this and you're just working on cutting out whatever seed oils and processed sugar, fine, great. Add sea salt. Said just plain old table salt. You know, do the physical. We're not saying don't do the physical. Get up out your chair every hour, get some sunshine. I'm going to keep making prescriptions. We'll talk about on the next show. The word commandment in the Bible, in this thing of this mean oppressive versus a commandment really means a prescription to, to renew your heart, renew your mind, renew your heart. To turn your heart back to God and who God really is. But so much more here, guys, that I believe this is the. The heart is more impactful on your mitochondria to reverse your mitochondrial insufficiency deficiency. All these diseases that everybody's saying is mitochondrial rooted, this is what will set you free. Jim, I'll give you the last word [01:06:27] Speaker B: by doing heart work. You know, I have a program called heart physics that, that I've developed over 50 years. And when we teach people how to do heart work, I've done all those crusades. I have seen every miracle in the New Testament, some of them hundreds of times, some of them dozens of times. Four people raised from the dead. I've seen. I've seen it all, been a part of it all. I have seen more lasting results from people learning how to do heart work than I have from all of that. And, and so, you know, when people believe something in the heart, the Bible says that your heart establishes your boundaries. Now your boundaries determine what can get out and what can get in. And our life and our health and everything about us can only be as broad as the beliefs of our heart. And anything that's outside of those boundaries of our beliefs, we're never. We're not going to let it in. [01:07:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, Jim, thank you so much. [01:07:32] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:07:33] Speaker A: Awesome hour. I know it's going to impact and help so many people. So appreciate you spending the time. Appreciate all your efforts and writing the books. I'm going to continue to promote those and we'd love to have you back. [01:07:43] Speaker B: I will do it. You just say the word. [01:07:45] Speaker A: All right. Okay, everybody. I'm Dr. Ben Edwards. You're the Cure. We'll archive this on our website. It'll be on YouTube and all the podcast platform. Platform. Share it with your friends for the benefit of the body of Christ. And not the body of Christ, too, for the benefit of everybody. [01:07:58] Speaker B: That's right. [01:07:58] Speaker A: We love them all, so. And impactministries.com you can check out Jim stuff. And we'll see y' all next week for another great show. Bye. Bye.