Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey everybody. Welcome to another episode of youf're the cure. I'm Dr. Ben Edwards. Hope you enjoyed last week's program.
You may still be digesting, may take a while to digest it. It's taken me years of going through this and digesting and praying and asking for wisdom and discernment and revelation from Holy Spirit. But I've asked David Wilcoxon to come back again this week to continue the discussion.
And guys, just want to reiterate that I'm just going to encourage you to have an open heart, an open mind, just a humbleness and ability to at least be open to the possibility that you were deceived. I was deceived and there's still areas where I'm deceived. We're all deceived. So just being open that we're in a season right now of just great, a revelation and dot connecting is happening.
It's just incredible. So we're going to talk about some things today that probably you also haven't heard either because I hadn't heard these things up until recently and didn't didn't see how many aha moments have we had in the last few years.
And I just want to reiterate, guys, in the medical we see it so clearly. I mean in 2020, mid-2020, you could have asked 99 or 100 doctors, is this shot to end this pandemic? Should I do it? And probably 99 would have said yes or asked a hundred doctors about the childhood vaccine schedule. And you got 99ish yeses. It's, it's safe and effective and perfect and all the things. I mean we can go right down the the list.
And that doesn't mean those doctors are evil or, or stupid or whatever. It, they're in a system. We're all in this world. In these world systems we know scripture's clear.
The prince of the air, the ruler of this world, he's a deceiver and he's been around thousands and thousands of years, guys. And so to not be open with and honest with ourselves, it's possible we got deceived in some things.
And so just encourage you to keep an open mind and then seek out this yourself in, in the scriptures. And honestly, I know again, I don't want this come around wrong but because there's all the pastors, like all the doctors, I think they have good hearts. They went to seminary for the right reason. These doctors went to medical school for the right reason. Even. Congressman, I have a friend running for Congress right now. I Know, he's a great guy, he loves Jesus. He. He's a family man, he loves West Texas. I mean, but that system, yeah, and so these, it's these systems.
So this, we're not here to try to offend or bring division amongst pastors or any denomination or any people group or anything like that. But what we are here is to glorify God, God Most High, the creator of everything, and his son, Jesus Christ, who came and walked the earth and died a very torturous death so that we could have life more abundantly. We could walk in freedom, not in bondage to fear and slavery.
So there's a real consequence to our heart beliefs in our, our lack of knowledge that leads to destruction. So these are serious events. Hope you take them seriously, but also just not judgmentally. So hopefully I preface that enough.
David. I'm sorry if that sets you up with that. You have to prove yourself. But it reminds me one time years ago, I got asked by superintendent to talk to his staff and he had never listened to me or heard anything. And the way he introduced me to his staff that day at a staff development was, guys, I don't know this guy. I haven't done my due diligence on him, never even heard him talk. But I invited him to come here and speak off the recommendation of somebody else. So if he says something crazy, don't look, don't look at me. And that was an introduction.
But anyways, I think you are, like I said last time, a gift to the body of Christ. And, and you've really helped me a lot to connect some dots. So we're going to jump right back in, guys, and I'm telling you, if you didn't listen last week, pause right now, go listen to last week's because we're just continuing on from there. We really nailed parts of Daniel, the 70th week of Daniel in particular, and submitted to the audience to consider that that 70th week happened right after the 69th week, which if that's true, that completely takes away this whole discussion of pre Trib, post Trib, mid Trib, all that Antichrist at the end, all that's just gone.
So we're going to continue from there. We mentioned last week the Olivet discourse. Guys, if you're new to the Bible or that you don't know what that means, we'll talk about that. But basically there's a series in the Gospels where Jesus just goes right down and explains some things about what's, what's about to come to the unbelieving Jewish nation. So we're going to go through that today.
And then what happened to that Jewish nation? Obviously Israel, the state of Israel, is in the news big time currently and kind of all the time these days.
So we'll probably get into some of that too. So, David, welcome back to the program.
Thank you for willing, being willing to come back in.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: Absolutely. I'm always here for people that want to learn and I just share what I have learned along the way, you know, and it's been, it's been an amazing journey during the last 12 years. And so I knew when I learned these things, I had a responsibility to share what I had learned, you know, just to help people see a different option from what they've been told, you know, what I was told for most of my life. So, yeah, in the last session we Talked about the 70th week of Daniel, how that points to Jesus coming to carry out his ministry and how it points to him dying in the middle of the seven years of the 70th week.
And so that gives us a proof that the Bible is true. And it points exactly to Jesus dying in a precise time. So it gets validation of his deity to prove he is the Messiah, because Jews, you know, struggle with seeing that.
And so once you see that it's like you said, the 70th week was fulfilled after the 69th week, then you see that it's not about the end times or the Antichrist.
But that doesn't mean that all of Revelation has been fulfilled like a preterist teaches. So a preterist teaches that, yeah, the 70th week was fulfilled in the first century, but then most of Revelation was fulfilled then too. Some say Jesus came back in the first century. I don't believe any of that narrative. So. So revelation is more about things that have taken place since it was written and it'll culminate when Messiah returns in the future.
But to understand Revelation, you really need to understand the 70th week of Daniel, fulfillment and the Olivet discourse. So we'll talk about that on the Bible Prophecy Decoded BibleProphecy Decoded.com website. There are one page summaries of the 70th week of Daniel, the Olivet discourse. So you can kind of catch up and see the big picture. So that way you don't have to, you know, we'll talk about a lot of stuff if you know, it'll go fast and stuff, but that'll give you a summary. So let's see. So, you know, we talked about One point I wanted to just affirm, we talked about Jesus. So Daniel 9, 27 points to him confirming the covenant. And so, you know, and when, and when I tell people that he confirmed the everlasting covenant, it kind of catches them off guard, if you will, because they don't, they haven't been taught that. But and there's a lot of verses in the video series that I have and in the book that you can read. But the main one, the key one I think is Hebrews 13:20. And it validates this. So it says, now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant. So it's pointing to Jesus and saying, you know, the covenant of peace, which is the Abrahamic covenant, you know, his blood confirmed, ratified the everlasting covenant. And so even the New Testament tells us that and confirms that. So it's not an Antichrist Israel peace agreement, it's Jesus Christ coming to confirm the everlasting covenant as the spotless Passover lamb to atone for our sins. So that's just kind of a key point I wanted to make to clarify a little bit, if you will.
[00:08:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's great.
Well, before we hit record, you're kind of talking about some, a few tie ins from Daniel kind of tying into all of it discourse, which I think we need to go into that first. And I'm glad you mentioned revelations because of course everybody kind of seems like, okay, well you know, what's going to happen next and when's it going to happen and you know, talking about Revelation.
So I'm glad you mentioned that you're not saying that revelation's all fulfilled. There's still parts to be fulfilled, but some of it has been.
And, and we may touch on some of that later. But we, we want to really nail this because this is Jesus himself talking to his disciples in the Olivet discourse. But kind of set that up with in Daniel those couple things you mentioned to me.
[00:09:28] Speaker B: Yeah, fine.
And to kind of show how the prophecy, the 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy is married to Daniel 12 and then the Olivet discourse. I'll point a couple things out. So Daniel 9:26 talks about, well, think, think about what Daniel understood and what we can understand.
When he got the vision, he was in Babylon and Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed. Right. And so the whole prophecy is about them being empowered to go rebuild the city and the temple. So that's the premise of the prophecy. But then in Daniel 9:26, it says it's pointing to Messiah, saying Messiah is going to be cut off, he's going to be killed by a violent death. And then says, it marries that with the fact that it says Jerusalem. It says the city and the sanctuary will be destroyed.
So Daniel understood this, Daniel understood, wow, we're going to be empowered to go rebuild the temple in the city.
But because the Jewish leaders would kill the promised Messiah like they'd killed the, the prophets that were sent to them before then this, then the temple and the city are going to be destroyed again.
Right. And that's devastating news to him, and that's why he was distraught afterwards. So you see the narrative of Messiah being cut off, the city and the temple being destroyed.
Daniel 9:27 talks about the overspreading of abominations and it talks about even until the consummation, you know, so you just keep these terms in mind. And Back to Daniel 9:26, it talks about there should be a flood, and until the end of the war, desolations are determined. So we're looking for a war. We're for looking, looking for the city and the temple to be destroyed. We're looking for judgment to come upon the unbelieving Jewish nation.
So when you move forward, you know, when it's talking about war, what you're going to see is it's pointing to the Jewish Roman war of 66 to 70 AD which, in which the Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed and 1.1 million Jews died in and around the small city of Jerusalem.
So we see the relationship between Daniel 9:26 and the punishment for the Jews delivering Messiah to be cut off, to be killed and their punishment. Right.
So Daniel knew this.
Daniel prayed for more information because he was distraught.
And that information came in Daniel 12.
And I won't go through the whole thing. I have a separate video about that that covers every verse. But in verse one it basically says there's going to be a time of trouble to the time of Jacob's trouble.
There's going to be a time of trouble for the unbelieving Jewish nation.
But that the Jews who believed in Christ would be delivered from that time of trouble. Those whose names are written in the book of life, the Jews who believed would be delivered from that time of trouble.
And then Daniel 12:11 points to a three and a half year period from the time that the abomination of desolation took place, which we'll talk about to when the temple sacrifices were stopped. And it's pointing to the three and a Half years of the Jewish Roman war of 66 to 70 AD.
Does that make sense so far?
[00:13:05] Speaker A: Yes, it does. So, I mean, and these are huge things. I mean, for the audience, if you just go back and put yourself in the mindset, the circumstances of the. The nation of Israel, the Jewish people in Babylon at this point, I mean, they've been in captivity this whole time.
They had killed all. All these prophets that God had sent.
I mean, it. We're talking hundreds of years in Babylon and getting intermingled with the mystery religions of Babylon, which we'll get into that later. And so this is just like a devastating time. So this news of man, we get to go back. Not only do we get out, get. Get freedom, we get to go back to the land and we get to rebuild this temple. Hallelujah. Hooray. I mean, I. Can you just imagine? And then the very next verse.
Yeah, and then the Messiah is coming. And here's. Here's the year he's coming, by the way. Hallelujah. Awesome. And then the leader's gonna kill him. And then the temple in the city. I mean, just put yourself there anyways. It's just, you know, we read these verses and if you don't pause for a second and really think about man.
Wow.
[00:14:16] Speaker B: Right.
Yeah.
[00:14:19] Speaker A: All those years silent and. Except someone's keeping track of that calendar, counting those years, because that was the prophecy. It's gonna be this number of years, which we talked about that last week, and boom, here's Jesus.
And boom, three and a half years. But go ahead.
[00:14:33] Speaker B: Well, and like we talked about last time, I mean, I'm sure the Jewish leaders, they probably understood the prophecies. They were expecting Messiah to appear.
The disciples, when he first went to gather them and, you know, some got called and he went to his brother and he said, you know, we found the Messiah. And so. So that means they were expecting him. You know, he didn't just appear, they were expecting him. And so when he appeared, they ran after him. And so. And again, the Samaritan woman, even her, when he said, Jesus is talking to her, she said, well, when Messiah comes, he'll explain all things to us. So even she understood that the time frame was, you know, at that time. And, and so that's all based on the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 prophecy, which is the only prophecy which tells you exactly when Jesus was going to come, carry out his ministry and die for our sins. So it's a. It's a piece of huge proof text for the validation of the Bible. And so.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: Go ahead, go, go ahead.
[00:15:31] Speaker B: I was just going to say the enemy has a vested interest in, in causing confusion about this prophecy to remove that proof.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: Yep, yep, exactly. And I was just going to make a kind of side note of, you know, so. And I think you're just saying the Pharisees and the leaders, the Jewish leaders certainly would have known this prophecy too in the date. But it, to me it would speak to this narrow, these goggles, narrow minded because they expected this Messiah to look a certain way, be a certain way, he was going to do a certain thing. They had this preconceived idea of what things were going to look like with this Messiah. Meaning like a military leader going to come kick some butt and take names and we're going to rule this whole thing. And like Rambo coming in there.
But they had such a mindset. They were blind. Yeah, absolutely blind. And I, I look at myself like I got to be careful that I don't, you know, think things are going to look a certain way. I've got to be open to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Things may not look exactly how I think they're going to look. And I think we can search out the Scriptures and there's these mysteries that we can, Holy Spirit led can figure a lot out. But just, you know, a little note there to ourselves to be careful not to be too stuck in our ways, I guess is stuck in what we think we know.
[00:16:53] Speaker B: Absolutely. Yeah. It's when you don't, I mean, it's always okay to research things. You're not going to hurt anything, you're not going to damage anything by pursuant to say, how was the 70th week fulfilled after the 69th week? How did the things the Messiah spoke, spoke about in the Olivet discourse which he stated would take place in that generation? Okay, let's look at that. How, how is it possible that those things that he listed were fulfilled in that generation? So just look at it to see if you can prove it out. And that's the path I went down regarding the Jews, especially the Jewish leaders being blind. What's interesting is Daniel 12, you know, makes the statement, he told Daniel, seal this up.
He said, seal it up. And so a lot of people think like, well that's sealed up until the end times and then it'll come true. But basically it was sealed up from the eyes of the unbelieving Jews so that they would not understand the context of their judgment, so that they would not escape.
Right. Because that's the whole premise of the Olivet discourse, the premise of the Olivet discourse, and we'll talk about it. This Messiah made some statements and then the disciples said, tell us about when is thy coming? Not necessarily referring to his coming, but when is thy coming? When in the King James saying, when is judgment coming on the Jewish leaders? As, as Christ said in Mark, or I'm sorry, Matthew 23, and when is the temple going to be destroyed? So that's the context and that's what they're looking for. So you know, that kind of brings everything, marries everything kind of together a little bit. But the Jews didn't understand and it's actually interesting. So I was just kind of writing down some notes and stuff for our talk, John the Baptist. And this is right up front, I'm going through the Gospels again because I just love the Gospels and I love the words of Jesus, right? And Paul's great and all that's great. But I like hearing his words. And you know what's interesting is that John the Baptist knew about the coming judgment. So in Matthew 3. 7 he said so he was baptizing people, right? And the Pharisees and Sadducees came, so it says. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers who warned you to flee from the wrath to come.
Right?
That's his first statement to these people, who are you vipers who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? So he's pointing to the wrath which was proclaimed in Daniel 9:26. He's pointing to the wrath of the time of Trouble, of Daniel 9:12, Daniel 12:1. I should say so. So that's what he's proclaiming. So again Back to Daniel 12. 1. The Jews who believe would escape the judgment, the Jews who won't believe will face the wrath.
So even, even he was saying it.
And then, you know, you can, you can see the narrative of blindness, of pride, whatever it was throughout the Gospels. In other words, every time that Jesus, every time he did a healing and I love what he did, is he, he. He almost always did it on a Sabbath day. And the reason he did that wasn't to break the Sabbath, it was to expose their man made traditions which aren't part of Scripture. So he was exposing the thing, the burdens they were putting on the people which weren't really scriptural, but that infuriated them. So when you read through the Gospels all the time, they're looking like even when he rose up at the Beginning of his ministry. And he read the passage in Isaiah and he said, I'm telling you, this day this is fulfilled. So he's proclaiming that that prophecy in Isaiah was fulfilled and they were just all in awe of him. And they were like, wow, you know. But then he went on to what was. He gave an example of famine.
Right. And one Gentile was saved from the famine. And what was the other example? Was it leprosy, I believe. And so there was leprosy and another Gentile was saved.
And so by. By Jesus saying that I'm looking out for the Gentiles too, and not just for you. He infuriated them and they tried to throw him over the wall of the city to kill him, but he just walked right through them. Right. And so ever since then, the withered hand, you know, all the different things, the times that he healed people, they were infuriated. And it always says that they sought ways to kill him.
[00:21:34] Speaker A: Right.
[00:21:34] Speaker B: So there's that, you see.
So. So again back in Daniel 9:26, it's saying because of the abomination of what the Jews would do in being proud and seeking to offend their nation and their. Their positions of power versus, you know, accepting their Messiah and seeing the Messiah.
You see, this all played out in the Gospels, as you read through the Gospels.
Right. So it's just. You can see the. The relationship to them.
[00:22:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
And so maybe let's move to where he really went after those leaders verbally.
Just really kind of going right at their heart, the heart of the matter. He won. Mincing words at all.
And then that leads us right into all of it discourse. So maybe let's just go. Go through that.
[00:22:29] Speaker B: You know, as Jesus entered the city to be crucified, Luke 19 records his statements. And he would. And he was come near.
He beheld the city and wept over it, saying, if thou had known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong under thy peace, but now they are hid from thine eyes for the days, and this is important part, says, for the days shall come upon thee that thine enemies, which would be the Romans who oppressed them, so thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee around the city, encompass thee, and keep the end on every side. So he's proclaiming the judgment that's coming. He's saying an army is going to come and it's going to be the Romans, but that's their enemy. But it's going to circle the city and it's going to keep them held in right so he's proclaiming judgment to them. At the last time, he goes to Jerusalem and he says, and shall lay thee even with the ground. So he's going to. They're going to desolate the city. And so that basically, when you read Josephus narrative, they destroyed the city after the war was over, and they plowed over it like a field so that it looked like a city never existed. Right. That's what happened in 70 A.D.
so he's saying, and shall lay the even with the ground, and thy children with thee, and they shall not leave in the one stone upon another. And here's a key statement, because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
Right. So what's the time of thy visitation?
It's the 70th week of Daniel. Because you didn't understand that it's pointing to me coming to die for your sins in the middle of the seven years on Passover, which he's going into Jerusalem to celebrate Passover.
And because you didn't know it, an army is going to come and cast a trench around you, encompass you in and desolate you. Which matches up with Daniel 9, 26, you know, Daniel 12:1, the time of trouble. So you can see how those things are married together.
Right?
[00:24:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:42] Speaker B: So.
[00:24:45] Speaker A: After he tells all the Jewish leaders all these things.
[00:24:51] Speaker B: Right.
[00:24:52] Speaker A: Maybe go through some of those verses with the disciples.
[00:24:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So in Matthew 23, Matthew is the primary text that I use, but the Olivet discourse is in Luke 21 and Mark 13. Right. So read all of them. There's a reason there's three recordings, because they record different things, because they're written to different audiences, if you will. Matthew was written primarily to Jews, Luke primarily to Gentiles. So there's different language, but they're describing the same things.
So in Matthew 23, Christ rebuked the Jewish leaders and declared that because their forefathers killed the prophets and because they were looking to kill him, judgment would come upon them in that generation. And that's just a huge statement right there. Because when you get to Matthew 24 and he ends his Olivet discourse statements by saying, these things will take place in this generation, people go, you know, will say, well, that means the generation which saw the signs, applying it to the end times.
But Christ just said in the previous chapter, the judgment was coming upon the Jewish nation in that generation. And then he walked out of the temple and they were looking back at the Temple, and he said that there was the temple was going to be destroyed with not one stone left upon another.
And the thing to pay attention to is that happened in 70 A.D.
so it's the biggest aha moment for me when you read Matthew 23 and then you read Matthew 24. The things he stated in Matthew 23 about judgment coming on the Jewish leaders and the temple being destroyed is the context of the Olivet discourse. And we know from history that took place in 70 AD with the Romans destroying it.
So it took place in that generation. So it's. It's one of those confirming things, because we have a direct match, right?
So his disciples asked about the sign. They said, tell us about thy coming. And people can confuse that to say about your coming, which he covers later in the olivet discourse, Matthew 25.
But they're really asking about when's the judgment of the Jewish nation and when is the temple going to be destroyed? Because those are significant events and we don't want to be around.
So they asked for a sign about, you know, when was that going to take place. So we talked about all the different things about wars, rumors of wars, you know, all the different things. False prophets, all those things. When you do a search of history, Josephus record, you can see all these things took place in the first generation.
Yanked out my microphone.
So they saw those signs take place.
But the main sign, because they asked for a sign and he gave that sign. And about the abomination of desolation, says, when you see the abomination, where it should not be, you know, you know, flee Judea to the mountains of Pella.
So people apply that to the end times and the Antichrist, and he enters the temple and he, you know, slaughters a pig, claims to be God and all that stuff. But Luke 21, 2021 gives this, the definition of the abomination of desolation.
So it uses the same ending. So in other words, when you see this happen, flee Judea to the mountains of Pella. And it says, when you see this city surrounded by an army, then flee to Jerusalem.
Right?
Which matches Jesus statement when he was on the way into Jerusalem and he said, desolation is coming to you and that your enemy, the Romans, are going to cast a trench around you and they're going to encircle you and they're going to keep you in. So you have that statement, right, against Jerusalem of that day. And then you have Matthew 21:20 to 21, saying the sign is when an army surrounds Jerusalem.
So does that make sense to you about what that is?
[00:29:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it's. And that's where it's good to read all three.
[00:29:07] Speaker B: Right.
[00:29:07] Speaker A: Accounts and just cross reference.
[00:29:10] Speaker B: Luke gives some great details, I mean, because everybody focuses on Matthew 24, and rightly so. But Luke 21 gives a lot of really good details that fill in the blanks, if you will.
So we're looking for, from Daniel 9, 26, and we're looking for an army to come surround Jerusalem, which is the abomination of desolation. And we're looking for it to take place in that generation.
Well, when you read the account of Josephus and other historians, you see that Cestius and his army were sent to Jerusalem in November 66 AD to take the city captive because there was a Jewish rebellion.
So now we have an army surrounding the city to take it captive, which is the fulfillment of the definition of the abomination of desolation.
So there's more to the story, but the summary is there's, there's like it's a three walled city, basically. So Cestius and the army penetrated the first wall, then the second wall, and then there's the upper city, which is where the temple is. So they had that surrounded. Right. Being where they shouldn't be, you shouldn't have an army inside the city, surrounding the upper city. So it fulfills the prophecy.
And Josephus says that Cesius could have taken the upper city captive, but for some reason, the hand of God, some reason, he and his army left.
Right. Which is, which is odd. And so they left and they were retreating.
And the Jewish rebels were emboldened because they probably thought that God was defending them. So the Jewish rebels chased after the army and they set a trap at one of the ravines. They set a trap and they killed thousands of soldiers and they stole some of their military equipment.
And what that did is that inside of the ire of Nero.
Right. Who, who, who sent.
Was it Titus? I guess at that point it was Titus, I guess.
So Nero then went Titus. So it infuriated him so much that he sent three of his strongest legions to go attack Jerusalem. So you went from Cestius and his army, which wasn't a huge army, to three of the strongest legions to go carry out judgment and take Jerusalem captive. So the Jews brought on themselves their own judgment by killing these people.
Right?
[00:31:48] Speaker A: Yeah. So maybe go through some of the details, and I think it's Josephus that we get this from. But you know, I don't think people really realize just how absolutely devastating this destruction was, how many deaths per day and crucifixions and blood running in the street and Just massive carnage.
[00:32:08] Speaker B: Right. So what does he say?
Jesus basically says in Matthew 24:21, he's referring. He's saying there's going to be a time of great tribulation, such as never has been and nor will ever be.
And so people get in their head, they go, wow, that's got to be a really big thing for a lot of people to die. You know, like world war or something. It's got to be something catastrophic. And what I would say is that he's basically describing the sheer horror of the scene in the small city of Jerusalem.
Right. Because a summary is, you know, and I go through it in. In the video series, I think I have four videos on the time of great tribulation. And. And you're just taking the witness of Josephus primarily because he was put in position to view these things and witness these things and document these things so we could understand it. But so what happened is. So, okay, so I think it was Nero had died, right? So, so in other words, Nero sent them the. The armies, but then Nero died. And so the armies didn't have their marching orders. And so they just sat there until the new emperor came around. Right, Titus. So, so they sat there, they didn't do anything, right? And I think it was base. Bayesian was the other emperor who was involved. But they just. So the army just sat there. So they were circled around the city, keeping everybody in, weren't letting people go out.
So they were camped around the city, just like Jesus said, just like the Olivet discourse said about the abomination of desolation. So they are. They're camped in a circle around the city, so you can't get out. And they just stayed there for many, many months. And so Josephus describes this time. So the Romans weren't making attacks on Jerusalem. They were just keeping it isolated. But what that did is it caused. There was rebel factions who had ran to Jerusalem from other areas when the Romans were coming through. So there was like different. 3 different main Roman Jewish factions inside the city, and they didn't get along with each other very well.
And so he describes a time where they cut off the food supply. So the Jewish leaders actually cut off the food supply in the city to. To try to get the people to fight against the Romans, right? So they brought on their own destruction. They. So they had famine, they had pestilence, they were fighting for food.
They were doing infighting. Some of the.
Should remember the specific title, but they had. They basically some of the rebels dressed up in. In their robes and stuff. And they had daggers and they would go to the temple area and they would slip people's throats, right? And then just cover up and then go hide themselves. So they were killing each other, fighting for food, killing each other for food.
People, it was so terrible. People were dying by suicide.
People tried to sneak out of the city, but they wanted. But what the Romans found out when they captured them, and they found out that some of those people were swallowing gold coins.
So in other words, swallow your wealth, get it in your body, because you might get searched and then make your escape, right? So then you recapture those later. Well, the Romans figured that out. So they were. So, so then from then on, people, they were escaping, they would just eviscerate them, cutting them open, their guts open so they could recapture any gold they might have put in there. So you have that going on. You had people out there searching for food outside the city because there was no food inside. And they would be captured by the Romans. And the Romans are bored, right? You have three legions just not doing anything. So they would crucify them.
So they filled up all the trees outside of Jerusalem. They filled up all those trees.
So, but. But they didn't just crucify one person on a tree. They filled the whole tree up with bodies. And they didn't take the bodies down, right? There was no Jewish tradition that said you had to take them down before the Sabbath. They just left them up. So you had Jerusalem surrounded by trees with crucified bodies on them, some of them still alive for days. You could. You can live for days, you know, being crucified.
So there was dead bodies stacked up in the city, obviously a lot of blood, but dead bodies in the city stacked up in the city. And then when it got too full for that, they were throwing the bodies over the walls into the Kidron Valley and the other valleys around the city. So now. Now you have a scene of blood and stacked up bodies and dead bodies and all surrounding all of Jerusalem. If you've been there, you know, the ravines, all that was filled up with bodies. So that 1.1 million died. So half of. I'd say about half of that 1.1 million died from famine, pestilence, infighting, suicide, and evisceration, Right?
And then it disgusted the Roman emperor so much, the leader of the armies, he wanted to save the city, he wanted to save the temple. Because the. The temple was built by the Romans, basically, right? It was beautified by the Romans. It was a gorgeous spectacle. And so they wanted to Preserve that too.
But he became so disgusted by the behavior of the Jews inside the city who are killing their own people and had no regard for them, that he just got to the point where he's like, we're just going to destroy it all right? He wanted to preserve it, but he decided, no, we're just going to destroy it all. And then in 70 AD, you recall, so recall that it's talking about the end is going to be like a flood.
What that means is that the Romans were surrounded the city during. For a couple years and all that death was taking place. But then in 70 AD, the marching orders came in and they flooded into the city. So now you have all these three Roman legions flooding into the city at the end of the war, which was referred to in Daniel 9:26, and they killed hundreds of thousands of Jews by the sword.
So you already had bodies everywhere.
It was already a horrible sight. And now they're chasing all the Jews throughout the whole city to kill them by the sword.
So.
So again, when Jesus says there's going to be a time of great tribulation, unlike there's ever been or will be, he's. You just got to go through the videos or read the book. You can get a free PDF copy if you want to read it. That way, you know, when you see the description, you see the horror of all what happened to babies, what happened to all these things. It was just a disgusting, horrible judgment on these people. And so that's. That's what Jesus is referring to.
[00:39:07] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it is just absolutely awful.
And when you go back, big picture in the big context, even going all the way back to the garden, and I mentioned this last show, we gotta keep in mind God's original intent for creating the earth, creating mankind, made in his image and likeness.
Why are we here?
The lamb slain from the foundation, the. All the covenants, the. The covenant with Noah, not to destroy the earth with a worldwide flood. Again, the course of the covenant with Abraham, who was counted righteous because he believed a word.
You know, what was the point of the covenant of Moses and with David. And you really got to go back and look at that whole thing in this big picture perspective when it comes to the topic of the Jews, Israel, the nation, even current discussions of that, but definitely this, this thing, the. The whole end time stuff.
But Daniel, the Olivet discourse and the whole point of this nation, Israel and these 12 tribes that get sent down into Egypt and then come out, Moses brings them out and then wandering around in the wilderness, I mean there's so many, so much to learn through that, that story there, crossing the Red Sea and then wandering, wandering, wandering.
And don't even get to go in the promised land except for two.
But then get there and establish. And David's ruling righteously, a man after God's own heart. And he has a covenant now with God. David, does the Davidic covenant, know what that is? But he's. And I mentioned this last time, as long as you keep me as your God, you know and obey my commandments, then I'm with you. And I'll protect you, prosper you and all the things.
And then one generation after David, Solomon, David's son, he goes off the rails, starts following all these foreign gods. So then Solomon's son, boom. The.
Those 12 tribes, at that point in how I see it, like that was the end of the nation of Israel, meaning the 12 tribes. That whole thing about 12 tribes, that was the end of it because the assyrians came and 10 of the tribes got captured and gone.
So now we're down to two, I think Benjamin and Judah and, and Jesus, the Messiah's got to come out of Judah. So here we go. The Jews, Judah, Jews that, these people. This is the little piece that's left. And that's who gets off into Babylon, captured. Now you get to come back.
This, this. So I mean, we're down to. Even though it's a million people, we just have to keep this in mind. About 12 tribes. The whole original 12 tribes, the original point of Israel, getting the Messiah here through a virgin. The Messiah's coming. I mean, the pinnacle point of all of history.
And he comes and was prophesied that this, this people, this little lingering one tribe that's left now you're going to be destroyed. And what David just described was that destruction.
So I guess my question to you, David, would I be interpreting this right? That it. It's totally done. I mean, the 12 tribes ended with the Assyrians coming and taking those 10 tribes and then this destruction. Now, some escaped, I'm sure, of course, the believing Jews escaped, right? And maybe some unbelieving snuck out. And is that true? And, and we can get into the verses where Jesus even says, well, here's what. Who A true Jew is circumcised in their heart, right?
And Abraham's seed is Jesus. And you know, we can go into all those verses about who the true Jews are, but are they done at that point?
[00:43:04] Speaker B: Well, I think it helps. And, and kind of like you were alluding to, it helps to understand what the heart of the heavenly Father has always been. It's always been, I seek after people who revere me, who love me and seek to obey my commandments. So what it's always been. And so when you read the Old Testament, you've seen there's always been a remnant. There's always been Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and David, right? And Daniel. And so it's been this. Here's the remnant over here, the real Israel, right? And then here's the physical part of Israel that disobeyed, bade him and got judged and all that stuff. And so the overarching view is that I just wanted people who love me and revere me and are in awe of me and worship me and, and believe in me and obey me, and that's. That's it. So I think I would say. I would say about the house of Israel because it's a really cool story in Isaiah 9. So it's when the Assyrians were first coming to take them away. And you can read through the first several verses of Isaiah 9. But basically it's a promise to those people of the house of Israel, right? And it's specifically to the land of Zebulon and the land of Neptali. So that was up in Galilee in that region.
And because those are the two that were first afflicted by the Assyrians.
And it's saying that down the road there's going to be a light that's going to shine upon them, right? And so it gets into things like for unto us a child is born under unto us. So this is the message to them before they're going to get taken away. And it's being proclaimed unto us a child is born, unto us his Son is given, the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be wonderful counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of peace, and of his government, of the increase of his government and peace, there shall be no end upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom, to order it and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth, even forever. The cool part is when you read the Gospels, when Jesus started his ministry, he didn't start it in Jerusalem, he started in Galilee, and he started it in those two cities.
So, so what I'm saying is the promise that was given in Isaiah 9 to the house of Israel was fulfilled in Jesus because that's where he carried out his ministry. He spent most of his time. He said that I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. That's not. He's not talking at that point about the house of Judah. Like they've been combined, the whole 12 tribes. He's talking about the 10 tribes. And so he came for them. Well, where did he spend most of his time? Up in Galilee, which is where they used to live. So I believe a remnant had returned at that time. So he came to bring those two houses together because they were separated, but in Jesus Christ, they're brought back together. So I think probably some of his disciples who were fishermen in Galilee, they were probably of different houses, right. And have a study about that that kind of alludes to this one's, you know, this house and this and this. They weren't all of the tribe of Judah. That's a false premise that we make everything about the Jews. So. And when you read the Gospels, like I said, he starts his ministry there at those places. So I think that there was believers from the House of Israel and the house of Judah, because we know Acts says that many Jews believe. You read the Gospels and then Acts, and you know that a lot of Jews believe leaders, you know, the poor, the people that got healed. A lot of people, 3,000 on the day of Pentecost. And from that day forward, it was the commonwealth of Israel. He combined them back together. It's the commonwealth of Israel. It's not a physical nation. It's a spiritual nation of people who have a covenant relationship with the heavenly Father through faith in his Son. Right. And so it helps.
Helps your mind understand who Paul's talking about in Romans, who, you know, Paul's talking about in the Epistles, about who is a real Jew, who is a true Israelite. And so that kind of sets the context.
But in order for that whole commonwealth of Israel and the spiritual kingdom to be set up, the old system had to be taken away. And I'm not saying he destroyed the lot prophets. What I'm saying is the old system of Jerusalem, the city, the physical temple, and the Jewish leadership system that. That needed to be removed. And that's what took place during the Jewish Roman war. And so, like in the Olivet discourse, one of the confusing verses, I guess, is Matthew 29, 20, 24, 29. And it describes the sun, moon and stars being darkened. So if you take it from a literal sense, it seems like it's about the end times, of course, but in the Old Testament, there are examples of heavenly bodies being darkened, which symbolizes a leadership system losing power.
Right? So when you look at that and you apply it to the Olivet discourse, the Jewish high priest would have been the son because he was the top leader, right? The Sanhedrin was the moon reflected the light, and then the priests were the stars. And all of them were either killed or taken captive as slaves and sold as slaves.
So the Jewish leadership, some leadership system was darkened 70 A.D. in that generation.
Right? And an easy example I share with people is Joseph. Right.
Just to comprehend what it means about sun, moon and stars. Joseph had a dream and Joseph shared it with his family.
And his father got mad at him. And his father said, are.
So Joseph said, the sun, the moon and the 11 stars.
11 stars are gonna make obeisance to me, right?
They're gonna bow before me. His dad got mad and said, am I the sun and your mother, the moon and your 11 brothers, the stars gonna bow before you.
So it's just a perfect, easy example to see that the family is a leadership system.
Father, mother, you know, brother. So then you see it. So it wasn't obviously talking about the sun, moon and stars.
You know, literally, it was talking about a leadership system. So it kind of helps you see that was fulfilled in the first century. Right?
[00:49:46] Speaker A: Yeah, totally.
[00:49:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:49] Speaker A: I'm gonna read a couple verses from Galatians, and you're kind of referencing these.
This is Galatians 3:26. For in Christ Jesus, you are all sons of God through faith, just like with Abraham. That was my commentary continuing. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek.
There is neither slave nor free.
There is no male or female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are in Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring. Bring heirs according to the promise in Galatians 3, 79 says, know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, in you shall all the nations be blessed.
So then those who are of faith. Faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
[00:50:57] Speaker B: Awesome.
[00:51:00] Speaker A: And I was going to read a couple more that I pulled one out of.
Oh, here's first, John 2, 23, 24.
Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ, this is the Antichrist. He who denies the Father and the son. No one who denies the son. Son has the father.
Whoever confesses the son has the father also. So, I mean, right there, just in that verse, you're.
Because, you know, some would say, well, you know, the Jews would. They've got God, not just Not Jesus.
But right there it's saying, well, if you don't have the father, you don't have the son, you don't have the Father.
And there's so, so many more verses regarding who the true, true Jews are, you know, circumcised. Here's 1. Romans 2:28. For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly. Nor is circumcision outward and physical, but a Jew is one inwardly. And circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the spirit, not by the letter. And then Jesus, this is red letter Jesus in John 8, 39. And they answered him, talking about the Jews answered Jesus, hey, Abraham is our father.
Jesus said, no, if you were Abraham's children, you would be doing the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill me, man, who has told you the truth?
That I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did.
You are working or doing the works your father did.
They said to him, we were not born of sexual immorality. We have one father, even God.
Jesus said to them, if God were your father, you would love me, for I come from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.
Why do you not understand what I say?
He? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word.
You are of your father, the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the false father of all lies.
Yeah, that's super intense.
[00:53:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And it reiterates who is a true Israelite, who is a true Jew. And so what I was alluding to earlier is the physical types pointed to Messiah. The physical types pointed to the spiritual kingdom. And so since 70 AD, since the temple was destroyed, which was the center of the Jewish nation, the center of everything, their world, it's destroyed. But when you read the New Testament, you find out in Revelation, who is Holy Jerusalem.
Holy Jerusalem is the city of the saints. Not in the future.
Right now we're citizens of the city of Jerusalem. Holy Jerusalem. That's who we are, Right? We're not of this nation, we're of that nation. And so the physical got destroyed, so that the spiritual kingdom of heavenly Jerusalem, Holy Jerusalem, which is made up all of people who believe in Jesus, that's the reality. The temple got destroyed, right? Well, who's the temple now?
Right. Jesus Christ is the foundation stone. Or you Know he's the cornerstone. The disciples are the foundation.
The saints are the little stones that make up the walls. That's the house, that's the temple that the heavenly father dwells in. He doesn't dwell in man made buildings.
So the temple is us, right? So it's a spiritual kingdom.
We have a high priest who serves in that temple. And so we went from the physical type of the temple to the spiritual. We went from the Jewish leadership system which was darkened per Matthew 24:29.
Who's the priest now?
Jesus Christ is our high priest. Who's the priest? It's us. We're the priests. We're the ones that seek to obey his commandments. We're the ones that, that pray. We're the ones that prays. We're the ones who offer spiritual sacrifices. So the priest system is us. We're the ones proclaiming the gospel, which is what the priest system was supposed to do, but obviously didn't do that. But we're doing that now. So you see how this whole transition pretty much it had to take place so that the spiritual kingdom could be set up of holy Jerusalem, the temple and the priest system. So you just see a natural transition, you know, that took place in the first century and, and I was never ever taught any of this stuff from my Baptist or Calvary chapel pastors. None of pretty much nothing we've talked about today, which is, blows my mind, you know, that I, it just should be, it should be common knowledge. What happened in Jerusalem during the Jewish Rome war should be common knowledge. The transition from the physical to the spiritual should be caught. This is, this is our faith. This is what we believe in. And it should be common knowledge and things we know about. Instead we're, we're ignorant of it, which is sad. So.
And I teach about the Olivet discourse, you know, at Bible Prophecy Decoded.com. there's, there's PDF summaries you can print on the Olivet discourse. There's video overview video. There's a video series the book. You can get a PDF copy for free. You can order a printed copy. So you know, just, I would say just have an open mind about take, take Jesus at his word. That's, that's. I think the thing is it blessed me the most. Take him out as word. He said those things are going to take place in that generation. We know that in the previous times in Matthew that referred to this generation.
Every single one of them pointed to the Jews who lived in Jesus day. It wasn't pointing to A future generation. It's saying these things are going to happen to you disciples. You're going to see these things. So take Jesus at his word, you know, watch the video series, you know, and just have an open mind to see how y'. All that discourse would have been fulfilled. And there's, and there's a study in there about the transition from the physical to the spiritual too.
[00:57:51] Speaker A: So.
[00:57:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Help set the premise for what's taken place since the first century.
Right.
[00:57:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:57:58] Speaker B: Because. Because now we're, we're looking, we're looking at a spiritual kingdom.
[00:58:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:03] Speaker B: But there might be physical imposter systems that seem, you know, to be biblical, but we're, we're focused on a spiritual kingdom. And we'll probably talk about that on the next video a little bit.
[00:58:18] Speaker A: Yeah, and that's kind of the reason I'm camped out here and sort of hammering on this point is because if that type and shadow, physical, physical temple, all the physical everything, and now the reality of the spiritual, the spiritual house, Jesus is our high priest. If we've transitioned in this spiritual kingdom, heavenly Jerusalem, we're citizens seated in heaven, in Christ.
We, we. That's real important because this whole deception on. No, let's, let's Pause after the 69th week of Daniel. Take this 70th week. We're going to put it way out into the future.
And that means we need a physical third temple. A physical, you know, the, all the physical things, the Jewish religion, all the things.
We've got to have that all propped up and we know that the end of Revelation, and maybe we'll. I think this is where you're at, David, with, with what's left in Revelation is basically one world government.
And maybe there's. Well, that's all future video. But this one world government thing that Revelations talks about, you know, if we, if we don't see clearly that we're the spiritual house and that we're the third temple and it's a spiritual temple, basically, then this counterfeit thing being pushed, it's going to lead, leading potentially that one world.
We just need to have our eyes open and be discerning so we don't accidentally submit to something or get fearful about something or just, you know, miss it, where we're not fully being able to be the light.
[00:59:57] Speaker B: Just always better off knowing the truth.
Yeah, right. You just, you're prepared. And one thing at clarity that comes to mind, you know, and talking about all the stuff with the Jews and this and that, I mean, I, I believe with all my Heart that the. The. And you can read the Gospels and you can read Acts and you see that the church of Jesus Christ, the Ecclesia, the nation of the Commonwealth of Israel, is founded on believers, Jewish believers in, in, in house of Israel believers. So I like, I don't teach anything about replacement theology.
I don't teach that the Christians replace the Jews or this and that necessarily. It's just that like I was saying before, the whole context of the Old Testament is the true nation of Israel is those who believe in the Father, they love him, they seek to obey his commandments. Nothing's changed. Those people, Abraham, look forward to the day that Jesus would die to ratify the everlasting covenant. We look back on that event. Nothing's changed. The remnant is the remnant. It's always been the remnant. And there's always been these people on the side who didn't obey the Father and they got punished and they were lost.
So nothing's changed. So so many Jews believe that's the foundation of Messiah's ecclesia is believing Jews and believers of the house of Israel. So none of that was done away with. And, and you know, in fact on the.
Because I have a heart for Jews, because I see that they've been deceived. I see that they're not allowed to read Isaiah 53 which talks about Jesus coming to pay for atone for our transgressions. They can't read Daniel 9 which talks about the exact time that he showed up, you know, and died in 30, 31 A.D.
they can't read the New Testament. And so on the BibleProphecy Decoded.com website, there's a PDF that's targeted at Jews. And so it's something you can download. It's really good information to understand, but it helps them understand that they're how Jesus fulfilled so many different prophecies in the Old Testament. And when, and when they get that and it has Isaiah 53 in it, so they can read it because they won't look it up, but there it is, they can read it. Such as witness tool for Jews to understand because they need to see that their Messiah is already calm. They're not looking for a future Messiah. He's already calm to atone their sins. He fulfilled so so many Jewish traditions. You know, he was born in Bethlehem, he was circumcised on the eighth day. I mean so many different things he fulfilled. And, and that's what that document goes through to show them so that you know, hopefully in the end times There's a great awakening in the Jewish community to, to about their Messiah. So I'm not, neither one of us is anti Jew. We're not anti, you know, any of that stuff. It's nothing to do with that. It's just proclaiming truth. So when you proclaim the truth, then they can see their Messiah came and they can believe in him.
[01:02:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And I meant to say that I said last show and I'll say it here now that I'm not anti any people. I'm all for the people.
All, all people, all different.
And I think I mentioned this before during medical school.
One of my best buddies was the Church of Jesus Christ, Latter Day Saints Mormon. And he'd done a mission, his two year mission was in the Caribbean. And he got this fish taco recipe from this Caribbean island. And that's when I first met him. He invited me over to his apartment for fish tacos and I'd never had a fish taco and I thought that's kind of a weird combination.
But it was delicious, it was awesome. And Kenny was awesome guy. He invited me to be on the basketball league at his church. I mean I love basketball. And I said sure, we went and played and no problem at all, at all. And you know, some of my other best buddies, the most hospitable, just the kindest, sweetest, open their home, give you the shirt off their bag, just so hospitable. We're Middle Eastern descent and from the Muslim religion and just beautiful, awesome. The literally the most hospitable friends and people that I've ever been around.
I was remembering the other day in medical school. I did a rotation out in this rural county hospital out in Alpine, Fort Davis, near Big Bend, way out in the middle of nowhere, Texas, almost on the Mexican border. And there's this really sweet Catholic priest, super, super kind, super sweet. And the sisters there in the church, but invited us down to their little church literally on the river down by Presidio.
I think it was Ohanina anyways, butchering that name. But we did pap smears for these, this poor, poor, poor little community. And it was literally a folding table and two folding chairs for the stirrups. This may be tmi, but the ladies got on the table and these folding chairs for the stirrups and we did pat smears at no cost. Did a ton of women's health exams at this Catholic church and they were just the kindest, sweetest actually they put us on a boat. We crossed the river after we were done for the day is sunset crossing the Rio Grande. I guess you can't do this probably anymore these days. Went into Mexico. There's a bed and breakfast on the other side. They cooked an amazing dinner for us. Just love those, love the people.
So regardless, it's not about religion. And we. I love all the people.
I hate people all the. When people are deceived, that's what I hate. When the light of truth isn't coming.
And I'll end it on this verse, 2 Corinthians 5, 16. From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh.
Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he's a new creation. The old has passed away.
Behold, the new has come.
All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to Himself all the way back, corrected what got messed up in the garden, reconciled us to himself, and gave us the ministry of reconciliation that is in Christ. God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.
Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us.
We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God for our sake. He made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
That sums it up right there. I don't regard anyone according to the flesh. We shouldn't be regarding people according to the flesh. We're in Christ and we're. We're now ambassadors reconciling. We are entrusted with his ministry, a reconciliation. And this is part of why I asked David to come on the show, because this is part of the reconciliation, to have some aha moments. I didn't see that. And because of that deception, it's kept me divided. These people again against these people. No, we are one. Neither Greek nor Gentile, Jew nor Greek, male nor female, slave free man. It's all one. We've got to see that. And I was encouraged and maybe this is just as nothing but one of our previous guests, Jeremiah Johnson, he's at.
He. He talked about the Shroud of Turin and got an email from him this week. He got invited to do Davos, where all the World Economic Forum and all these that, you know, we look at these world leaders of evil. And he even said that in the email, guys, I'm going into the pit of evilness.
But he was invited and he sent the update email yesterday or this morning because the title of his talk was God took the, the first selfie meaning that shrouded Turin in the image of Christ. Christ crucified Christ's body on that shroud. And that's why we had Jeremiah on the show to talk about that. But he said it was packed and a line out the door like the most popular talk at the whole event. And it just made me think even that group, could even that group be reconciled back the ministry or reconciliation and maybe not. Maybe they've sold their souls and there's the, they're not going to be able to hear but Jeremiah's there trying to be obedient with this ambassadorial message of reconciliation.
So that's my heart for having David here talking about this controversial subject and encouraging folks just to give it a look, study, pray, ask Holy Spirit to reveal to you what the truth is. David, thank you for being with us. I will have to have you back because I think it is really important to talk talk and I'll just a little teaser for next time because I think it was your video that I learned this. 97 of people living in Israel now who would call themselves Jews. If you do a DNA test on them, there's no relationship to the 12 tribes. They're I think it's Mongolian, Turkish, something, some other bloodline and they basically just converted into Judaism.
It's important to know that and where does that play into a potential deception in the end times. So but obviously don't have time to get into that now. Just want to kind of tease that a little bit. But I'll give you the last word if you have any closing thoughts.
[01:09:30] Speaker B: And you know what's interesting about those DNA studies is they're not by other countries, they're by, by and large they're by Jewish researchers, some, some from Hebrew University. And so, so it's so it's Jews investigating Jews DNA. It's, it's not like outsiders doing it. Maybe they're making up stories or stuff. This is actually coming from Jewish, you know, high end researchers doing this stuff. And like you said it's very profound and it just gets to that point of you know, knowing who are God's chosen people.
And the default mode is God's chosen people are those who believe in Jesus Christ. And so that, that's the bottom line. And so like you said, there's more of the nation of holy, you know, we're that commonwealth of Israel, you know, the holy city of Jerusalem. And so there's the whole world is believers a true Jew, a true Israelite or a non believer. And that's. That's just it. And so you have to keep that in mind when you look at things that are going on in the Middle east and who controls that. And we could talk about that, too.
[01:10:36] Speaker A: Yep. Yeah. You can't really interpret current events without an understanding of what we're talking about today, last week, and what we'll talk about on our next show, too.
So, David, thank you so much for being here and enlightening us with some of this truth, historical truth. Josephus, an amazing historian who was there, witnessed it, wrote it all down. So to be able to bring that in, the biblical text, all the different gospels, the whole big picture, it really clears, bring some clarity up that hopefully, guys, ultimately leads to some peace in your heart. That this whole thing, just the way God prophesied this thing out and boom, boom, boom, all happened, the prince of peace came. He can reign in your heart today and bring you peace. And like I said last time, if we don't end with love God and love your neighbor as much as yourselves, abide in the vine. I mean, just camp out right there. If all this stuff is just too much, too intense, blowing your mind, just go, love your neighbor today. That's it. All right, David, thank you so much. Love to have you back on the show, everybody. This will be Archive, veritaswellnessmember. Com, as usual, and all the podcast platforms and YouTube. Thank you for joining us. We'll be back next week with another great show.
[01:11:44] Speaker B: Bye. Bye.
