[00:00:00] Speaker A: And then the pandemic hit, and suddenly I was faced like you with patients getting very sick and doctors all over doing nothing, including ones on faculty with me. I was stunned. I'd be on call and I'd start getting calls from patients of other doctors saying, listen, you know, I'm really sick with COVID My doctor is not doing anything for me. I heard that you can help me. And I was working to arrange monoclonal antibodies and some of the other therapies, Ben. And my heart was broken. I said, wait a minute. Why aren't other doctors helping patients in need? And I know you experienced the same thing.
[00:00:46] Speaker B: Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of youf're the cure. I'm Dr. Ben Edwards. We've got a repeat guest today. I'm super excited to have Dr. Peter McColla join us today. If you don't know Dr. McCola, I don't know where you've been. And if you're watching my show, you probably have seen him. He's been on twice already. And I think every other show that tries to speak truth, he's been on multiple times. Dr. McCollo, I don't know how you do that actually, how you hit so many interviews. It's incredible. So thank you for joining us today.
[00:01:17] Speaker A: Thank you. I was just on Fox Business last night with Liz McDonald's and, you know, I can tell you, you know, our message that you and I have basically been giving America and the world for the last five years is penetrating even the, the deepest depths of mainstream media. In this case, FOX Business, which is, you know, for Wall Streeters. Yeah, this is for Wall Street. And, you know, when I first started going on, I was careful. And, and one time, Liz McDonald, who doesn't pull any punches, she goes, Dr. McCullough, one of my friends took the COVID 19 vaccine. He developed blood clots the next day and was hospitalized. This is terrible. It's like, well, you don't need me to give this information. Just listen to Liz.
[00:02:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And I agree. I mean, it's, it's pretty amazing. And I don't know how much this is the whole Maha and Bobby Kennedy bringing things to the forefront. Of course, you've been literally out there for so long, and that's kind of where I wanted to start maybe. And guys, if you don't know, Dr. McCollo, mean, he can share a little bit of how, how he got to where he is now. But you can go back on our website, veritas wellness member.com go the resources go to podcast, and there's a bunch of them there, but that we haven't broken down by topic. And you can just click on COVID 19 topic and you'll see a lot of interviews from years past. And Dr. McCullough's on a few of those. But Dr. McCullough was, and I'll let him tell you who he was, but a conventionally trained cardiologist just minding his own business, publishing a whole lot of stuff and doing excellent academic work and excellent pat care, and then boom, 2020 happens. So, Dr. McCullough, really, I just want to kind of. You give an autobiographical description of your life as much as you want. You can take the whole hour if you want to, because it's an incredible story and how you've just persevered and persevered and persevered and how many untold numbers of lives you've impacted and saved by this perseverance. But kind of just share the audience. The, the floor is yours to share your story, get out frustrations if you want to, or whatever you want to do. Just share that testimony.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: Well, thank you so much. And I, I, I would say at the outset, it's, it's never about me or you, Ben. It's really about the patience and about the citizenry and how people really have been affected by this pandemic. And like most people, I didn't see this coming. I was minding my own business. I grew up, you know, as an older kid in Texas. I went to Baylor, undergraduate and then University of Texas Southwestern. Finished top of my class. I was AOA in the top percent there. Went on to University of Washington in Seattle, top medicine program at the time, trained in medicine. Then I did three years of rural health initiative, like a public health service, to pay back my student loans, my Texas guaranteed student loans.
And then from there I trained in public health, formally at the University of Michigan, one of the top schools of public health in the United States. I did my residency at what's now the Oakland University William Beaumont School of Medicine, and we led the world in the development of primary angioplasty for acute myocardial infarction. My first paper that I published from Beaumont was in the New England Journal of Medicine.
From there I was assistant professor of medicine at Case Western, the campus at Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit. I moved my way up to associate professor of medicine at the University of Missouri, was chief of cardiology there, and then finally full professor of medicine. Beckett Beaumont. Was there for a long time, became the chief academic and scientific Officer of the St. John Providence Health system, the largest health ministry of the ascension health system. I was essentially a dean. I was responsible for about three to 4,000 doctors and.
And then from there I took a position that I thought was going to be kind of the finale of my career. I was a program director at Baylor university medical center and the vice chair of medicine. Baylor's only had three chairmen of medicine. I was being lined up to be the next chair and finish out my career after Mike Emmett. Mike's personal friend, great guy. And then the pandemic hit and suddenly I was faced like you, with patients getting very sick and doctors all over doing nothing, including ones on faculty with me. I was stunned. I'd be on call and I'd start getting calls from patients of other doctors saying, listen, you know, I'm really sick with COVID My doctor is not doing anything for me. I heard that you can help me. And I was working to arrange monoclonal antibodies and some of the other therapies. Ben. And my heart was broken. I'll say, wait a minute. Why aren't other doctors helping patients in need? And I know you, you experienced the same thing.
[00:06:23] Speaker B: Yeah, it was really an eye opening experience for me and my eyes continued to be open through that. But. And this is just opinion on your part, obviously, but you can't look at, you know, can't judge someone else's heart. But what in the world. I mean, patients hurting and there's things to do. I mean, I still to this day I'll have physicians talk to me sometimes and I'll tell, hey guys. I mean, if we pulled all the albuterol and steroids off the shelf for your pediatric patients with asthma, our ERs are going to fill up with asthma exacerbations and some are going to die.
[00:07:00] Speaker A: Right.
[00:07:00] Speaker B: It's a. I mean, black and white simple kind of thing to me. Is it just. We're so protocol driven and if my authoritative board or whoever at the hospital, the administration even. Is it just we. We've given up our autonomy as physicians in our clinical decision making where we. I don't know, what. What do you think caused that?
[00:07:23] Speaker A: I think initially I really do believe this because I was on a task force at Baylor for, you know, I was leading the research part of the task force, the COVID task force. There were ones on infection control and then one's on hospital care.
I think initially it was fear. And I remember the American journal of cardiology, which is edited out of Baylor by former. The late Dr. William Roberts. There was a piece from Italy. And remember that Covid had hit the Milan area very hard. And there was a listing of all the Italian doctors, some of whom I knew, who died of COVID They were older, but they died of COVID And when that came out and there was not a small number of doctors who died, I think people were scared. They were scared for the first time that, wait a minute, I could lose my life doing this. And so when the messages started coming down, one of the first things the Trump administration did is they, they opened up telemedicine so you could actually do medicine and bill at the same rates. Immediately, doctors shut down their offices, and I didn't hear a single doctor complain about shutting down their offices. They were happy to do that, convert to telemedicine. That way they wouldn't have to see patients face to face.
And then we didn't see a single medical center in the United States open up a clinic, a forward facing clinic, to see and examine sick patients, to triage them. Some people were getting very sick, other people weren't sick at all. There had to be a triage, some clinical assessment based on what the patient told us, measurement of vital signs, and a brief exam to understand how sick people were. And not a single medical center did this. What happened is they kind of, in a sense, abrogated the responsibilities, and it fell onto urgent cares, it fell onto emergency rooms, nursing home staff, and people were trying to do this. I mean, that initial risk stratification piece, which was so critical, was not done at all in the United States. In fact, I'm only aware of a few places. One of it was in Marseille, France. Didier Realte, very famous microbiologist, opened up an outpatient, basically a tent, a center, where they triaged, they saw patients, thousands of them, and triaged them and figured out what to do. I know George Fareed and Brian Tyson in south central California did the same thing. They had a tent and they triaged people. And I helped some individuals in Sri Lanka do that as well as they got organized. But that should have been what happened. We should have actually had. And the reason why the open air piece of this is important in 2020 when this hit, I remember sitting at home because the cardiac cath lab and operating rooms were closed. And I remember looking out my window like I am now, and it was brilliantly sunny, beautiful weather. When Covet hit in Texas, everyone could have been outside, Ben. And we learned that fresh air really impaired transmission of the virus.
[00:10:40] Speaker B: Yeah. So there's a lot of common sense in everything. You're saying, and when fear comes in, you go into self preservation mode and common sense can go out the window and, you know, making decisions that benefit your fellow human can go out the window to preserve your own life. So, yeah, I would agree. That fear factor, big, big deal.
You know, obviously you came up with the McCullough Protocol. A lot of us doctors started, I don't even know how we connected, but the frontline doctors started to, to treat patients and started to see some success and share stories and, and then somehow network together and group text and WhatsApp and all these things. And it was really cool and sad and frustrating all at the same time. So many emotions and of course, lots of sick patients and that the McCall Protocol is just foundational. So many patients impacted by that. So thank you for that and all your work there.
[00:11:34] Speaker A: Let me just say the McCullough Protocol, the most important thing about the McCullough Protocol is do something.
People are sick, do something. It gives it a tremendous range of things to do. And, you know, this came up at church this weekend. I was sitting next to someone, you know, who I knew, a friend, and we were going over the, the story, the, the parable of the Good Samaritan, and remember the Good Samaritan. You know, there's a, someone who's, you know, walking from Jerusalem down to Jericho and I've taken that trip myself and you know, it does go down. So you're kind of going down and he's jumped by some bandits and beaten up and, and left robbed and left for dead on the side of the road. And you know, he's passed up by a couple people who go by him and say, I'm not going to help him. And then a Samaritan comes along and says, listen, this guy's, this guy's in trouble. I'm going to help him out. And he takes care of his wounds and, and gets him to a, gets him to a hotel or motel and, and essentially saves this guy. Now, it's never stated if the Good Samaritan, you know, believes in God or not, or, you know, may not have been, probably wasn't a Christian. But the point is the Samaritan did the right thing. And what the person who's sitting next to me in church said, he said, you know what, In Covid, the doctors, a few doctors, Dr. McCullough, Dr. Edwards, and you know, the other doctors in this health freedom movement, they knew what to do. You just instinctually knew what to do, whereas the larger medical orthodoxy was lost.
[00:13:25] Speaker B: Yeah, well, and I know, a lot have woken up. I mean, I have a lot of physicians contact me who didn't understand this early on, but now they do. They see their eyes have been opened.
I mean, it's not a lot, but there's a handful from around the country that'll reach out.
And obviously the gene therapy injection that people call a vaccine, I mean, we're gonna have to talk about that. And, and guys, I want to say I typed up a whole list of, of questions and things to go over and a lot were related to this injection and where I'm getting these things. A lot of this data and information. I encourage you to go. You can follow Dr. Mercola on Peter A. Mercola, MD. That's on Telegram. And then also on Substack, which I just saw. Dr. Mercury, your substack changed. It's called Focal points, formerly Courageous discourse.
[00:14:15] Speaker A: Right, But Ben, before we get into the vaccines, let me just give a quick Update on the McCullough protocol. And you know, when we start at the top, and it applies really to any respiratory illness, we should use nasal sprays and gargles. And now the data are overwhelmingly positive that all of us should be doing a nasal spray and a gargle every day, twice a day. This is very important.
What we've learned is that when you get a cold, let's say a rhinovirus or paramyxovirus or influenza or SARS CoV2, it's in the anterior nose, in the hair cells in the nose. It's there for about five days before you get a sore throat. And because the lymphatics drain back to the throat, you feel a sore throat, but the infection is not there. The infection is actually in the nose.
So by the time you feel a sore throat, it's too late. And you had five days ahead of time, you could have been disrupting the virus, knocking it out, impairing its adhesion, increasing mucosal flow. And people say, well, what nasal spray should I use? It turns out anything works. So even a saline nasal spray, just salt and water has a benefit. Salt and water is a little iodine or colloidal silver or one of the products I like the best is xylitol based products by Clear X, L E A R. Yep. And all you're doing is preventing some adhesion of some of the viral particles. You're sniffing it back, spitting it out, you're blowing out the rest. You're just disrupting.
You know what the virus wants to do? It wants a stable environment to replicate. And then you're allowing your natural immune system to knock it out. And you know, I wasn't doing this during the pandemic, Ben, and you probably saw me on tv. I know a lot of your fans saw me. And I was sick almost every month. I was literally coughing on some interviews. I was sick. I got to the point where I was sick every month. This is terrible. I've never gone a year in my adult life without having a cold. Never. I always get. The average person, by the way, gets four colds a year. And so I started interviewing people and I interviewed people say, yeah, I go years without getting a cold. One guy 10 years, another guy 20 years without getting a cold. I said, how do you do that? And they said, I use a nasal spray and gargle twice a day, just like I do brush my teeth. And it's just a habit. So my wife and I have been doing this, Ben, and we have a. We have a deal and a handshake. And so far I'm seven months with no cold.
[00:16:56] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:16:57] Speaker A: If I go a year, I got five more months to go. If I go a year, it'll be the first year in my adult life without a cold. But I do it religiously. I did it this morning, about two to four sprays. I'm using clear right now. Xlear. Sniff it up, spit it out, and then I gargle. I think one of the best gargles is spry. But you can use scope, Listerine, you can use a saltwater gargle, iodine, gargle, colloidal, silver, whatever you want to use. But the point is, all of us should be doing this. This was in the McCullough protocol early. We featured iodine, but there have now been probably two dozen randomized trials. A big one by Baumforth and colleagues used a xylitol based spray and gargle. It reduced Covid. It reduced Covid by over 70%. Getting. That's reducing the risk getting Covid. It was better than a vaccine, to be honest with you. It was better than a vaccine. Recently there's been a large study called the Immune Defense Study. It was published in Lancet Respiratory Diseases that was using Vicks. Vicks has a, like a polymer based nasal spray. Vicks is called immune defense, I believe. And that was just on demand. If you started to feel a sore throat or somebody coughed on you, on demand reduced infection by about 25%. But if you get to every day, twice a day, I think you can get to nearly 100% protection.
That's a huge Advantage. So I'm getting through the cold and flu season. Nothing, you know, influenza. It handles all of that. We have so many patients who've had complications with long Covid or the vaccine. The last thing we want to do is get another episode of COVID So big update on McCullough protocol is nasal sprays and gargles now upgraded to every day, twice a day, without exception. You know, just tell every one of your patients. The next big update is we've always had supportive data for hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin. I've also had in there paxlovid and molnupiravir, doxycycline, azithromycin. Out of all the drugs we use, the big update is to colchicine. Colchicine is a drug we use for gout. It's generic. It's derived from the petals of a purple flower. So the pill is purple. And in a meta analysis of, you know, other meta analysis, so this was considered a network meta analysis.
There's a over 30% reduction in mortality with COVID using colchicine. I was in myself when I had Covid in 2020. I was in one of the big trials as a subject called the CO Corona trial. So over a 30% reduction in mortality is continued for 30 days. And now it is mandatory in patients who have COVID vaccine, myopericarditis or pots, Posterior orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, palpitations, atrial fibrillation, any of the chest syndromes almost certainly are irritation of the heart from the spike, protein from the infection or the vaccine or both. Colchicine is mandatory, I mean, mandatory for a year. It's a class one A indication. It's, you know, it's been mandatory for mild pericarditis before COVID and now there's even been studies been where someone's on colchicine and they actually even take another shot and they can't get myocarditis. Well, they've had myocarditis, and so it's enormously protective. I've had thousands of patients on colchicine, and I've not had a single new symptomatic case of, you know, an arrhythmia. Cardiac death patients being admitted with chest pain. It just handles all of that. Just.06 0.6 milligrams once a day. And then they. Yeah, yeah, just once a day. So we don't have GI side effects. And, Ben, the big news is, in 2023, the US FDA expanded the indications of Colchicine for general prevention of heart disease. So prevention of heart attack or stroke based on randomized trials because it reduces inflammation in the chest and probably in the lining of the coronary arteries. So a lot of patients can't take statins or don't want to take statins, but you know, they are willing to take a generic medicine that's safe to reduce the risk of heart attack and stroke. So here we go. It's not a cholesterol lowering drug, but it reduces the risk of heart attack, stroke by a different mechanism, colchicine. So every practitioner probably should be prescribing a lot of this. It's generic, it's very affordable. And, you know, whenever I see a sick long COVID patient or someone who's taking a vaccine, I'm worried about them, especially the risk of cardiac death. Colchicine is there. Now, another Update to the McCullough protocol is that monoclonal antibodies are out. We no longer have any monoclonal antibodies available to us for COVID 19. So we're left with the, the mainline drugs. And then We've published in 2023 McCullough Protocol Base Spike protein detoxification. Now, that is a protocol to handle long Covid and vaccine injury syndromes, which.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: I do want to talk about that here in a minute. And guys, I want to go back real quick on the nasal spray. We carry silver nasal spray, the xylitol based nasal spray, the iodine one. So you can check that out. And I want to make a comment here. I was interviewed yesterday by the Dallas Morning News. I don't know if they'll publish it or not, but about measles outbreak here.
And one of their questions was basically, isn't the best way to prevent that the measles vaccine? And. But the point I want to make here is Dr. McCollos said there's so much evidence with nasal spray to prevent this viral infection. Covid in particular, I don't know that there are any he can tell us probably on measles. But here's my point. You can try, like Dr. McCall said before, let's try something. So there's all. There are published studies on vitamin A and prevention. There's some on vitamin C that I found on reducing the length of the measles in the severity. I mean, so there is published data on, on anc, but add a nasal spray. So down in Gaines County, I know a lot of y'all down there, but also do want to just make a side note, maybe Dr. McCall, you comment on this? Just Remind everybody. Fear. Fear. Fear is your enemy. It. It disrupts your full immune response when you're walking around in fight or flight. Cortisol surge, adrenaline surge from fear. Let me remind you. In 1900, 13.3 deaths per 100,000 population in the United States from measles. By 1958 I believe it was, it was down to 0.03% from 13.3 to 0.0. How did we. And that was prior to the vaccination measles coming out. So what did, how did we see this 98%, 99% decline in mortality. It was something besides. And this has been well documented.
Geier Pediatrics and 2000 he published on this McKinley McKinley, 1977. Even the founding, pre. The first. Present founding member of the Infectious Disease Society of America. The founding and first editor of the Journal of Infectious Disease and former Harvard Medical School dean Edward Cass. He looked at this data, not just measles, but all mortality data for infectious diseases in the first part of the 1900s. And they all said the same thing. Sanitation, clean water, sewage, nutrition. These external things got cleaned up. And as I've said before, it's our internal terrain now that's so dirty. This mitochondrial dysfunction, all these free radicals. Inflammation, Colchicine works on inflammation. How does colchicine reduce cardiovascular death? Anti inflammatory effect. So it's all about the internal terrain now guys. So don't be scared of measles or any germ even Covid steward your terrain.
It actually works. And then when you need to add some extra prevention on there or treatment, no problem at all. A well stewarded terrain will take this extra and then you'll be over it. No, no problem. So we don't need to worry about this measles thing. Just wanted to comment there.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: Any thoughts, update on measles and people will see this in the news out in West Texas where you are, it's, it's in you know, community, there's Mennonites, Quakers, Amish, you know, there's about 2.5% of the population that doesn't take any vaccines at all. You know, so, so they can get measles, which is a form of a benign skin rash. And the only reason why there were ever any measles deaths in the past was terrible nutrition. In fact, as you pointed out, vitamin A deficiency was basically linked to, to measles deaths. There's been randomized trials of giving vitamin A as a therapy. Now you get vitamin A through carrots, peppers, carotenoids, obviously multivitamins. And don't Be fooled by the reports of hospitalization. So it's already been said that some of the kids in West Texas have been hospitalized. Hospitalization is recommended by pediatricians just to reduce spread of measles, not because the kids are sick. And so in the published studies, the CDC has a report out last year, about 40% of the parents say, okay, I'll have my kid in the hospital for a few days to try to reduce the spread. 60% just take the kids home and say, forget it. You know, the kids are, are fine. Remember the Flintstones? There's an episode where they get the measles. They're all fine on the Flintstones. Same thing with the Brady Bunch. So before the measles vaccine, mortality rate way, way, way, way, way less than 1%. So I'm not worried about anybody getting measles. Even if you've had the vaccine now, I had the measles vaccine, I could tell you I still could get a case of atypical measles as an adult. Most of the outbreaks occur now. That rate of 2.5% of people not taking vaccines, Ben current CDC data now, because of the COVID vaccine debacle, that number's up to 10%. So we're going to see more cases of measles, Quote, outbreaks of measles don't get, you know, don't get concerned about it. Natural immunity will, will take care of it.
[00:27:25] Speaker B: Yeah. And that natural immunity, like for everything else, is so robust and even lifelong. A couple cases I've actually seen a measles in my office. One was in an adult amennonite who was vaccinated in Mexico where he was born with measles, mumps and rubella separated.
That's what his initial vaccine was in Mexico. Then he came to the US Immigration said, no, that we don't count, that you need the MMR together. So he got revaccinated. So basically it's double vaccinated. And, and he's in. Was in my office with measles. And then I have a college student trying to enter physical therapy school. And they tested her titer, her antibody level and she had no, none for mmr. So he, she was re recommended to repeat that. But so guys, don't worry about measles. I do want to move to.
You know, I did not mention this in my interview yesterday with Dallas Morning News. Later I thought about it because I heard you say, and it was probably on your Telegram channel, 818 deaths in 2024 alone reported. And we know there's an underreporting that goes that you know, factor to be. But what hit me was with 818 deaths from the COVID vaccine that Vaers is reporting for 2024, what if that were measles? If 818 people had died of measles, that would be frontline, front page.
[00:28:44] Speaker A: Oh, good point.
[00:28:46] Speaker B: Yeah, no number one story on every news station. Let's start mandating measles vaccine. We're just completely blinded. I mean not all of us are blinded, but there's zero reporting. And what really gets me is when you read the data and maybe we can, you can go over some of it on children and the fact it's not mandated but it's recommended, it's on the CDDC recommended. And many pediatricians are just going to follow that, the negative efficacy. So I'm gonna, I may just give you a few minutes. If you were gonna state a case like in a the court, which I know you'd be so prepared, it'd be a three hour but in a ten minute or so like negative efficacy.
What's, what are the primary points in the literature to say this? This shot needs to be pulled because that's to go. Where was the executive order on day one?
We're in a public health disaster. From my point of view as far as the number of injuries and deaths which I see, and I know you're seeing some too, but obviously nobody's talking about it.
So just speak to that if, if you would, a little bit. What, what are, what would be the reason if, if, if Bobby Kennedy or Trump called you up. Hey, come give me a 10 minute spill on why this thing needs to have an executive order to be pulled off the market. What, what would the top bullet points be?
[00:30:06] Speaker A: Well, we're Talking about the COVID 19 vaccines and currently we have Pfizer and Moderna boosters that are not FDA licensed. The boosters are emergency use authorized. There was only a brief period of time where Pfizer, Moderna were actually had FDA licensure but those were taken off the market. So the current ones not licensed. And then we have novavax, the antigen based vaccine booster, emergency use authorized. Now Janssen has pulled their vaccine off the market and then worldwide AstraZeneca has pulled them off the market. Both associated with lots of side effects including blood clots. But yet the other vaccines remain now in our US CDC vaccine adverse event reporting system, which is a gross underreporting of what's going on. Our CDC has recorded in Americans over 19,000 deaths that have occurred after the vaccine. And this is reported by doctors and nurses, mainly doctors who believe the vaccine is the cause of death. That's the reason why they made the report in 2024. Ben, as you pointed out, very few people are taking the shots. The word is out that the shots are not safe. But still we're now up to 823 patients who have died in 2024. And you know what? One of them was my patient. I just reported a death.
This woman's from Glen Rose, took the Janssen vaccine, developed a vaccine injury syndrome which was horrific. An autoimmune syndrome. Never had Covid. I tested her antibodies, never had Covid, and was on a whole variety of immunosuppressants, including rituximab, methotrexate, hydroxychloroquine. She was very, very sick. And sure enough, she got COVID 19 in Glen Rose and died within 24 hours.
Just died of viral sepsis. And so, you know, the root cause of her problem was the vaccine. If she didn't have the vaccine, she wouldn't have had all these autoimmune problems and headed down this pathway to death.
I just, just reported her. And then sadly, yesterday I reported a man who took the vaccine. He took two modernas in Austin, developed myocarditis, went into heart failure, reduced ejection fraction, had to get tons of heart failure, drugs and ICD.
And then now he took the shots in 2021. He just passed away in 2025. So he'll be a 2025 death. I updated his VAERS entry in the CDC and they sent me an email back and said thank you for the update. And I said the vaccine was the cause of death, it's the underlying cause of death. And I indicated that the CDC accepted that. So our CDC is telling us that over 19,000Americans have died. If it's underreported 30 fold, we're at 560,000Americans have died of the vaccine. This represents the biggest biopharmaceutical safety disaster in history.
And we have nobody at any high level, let's say a president or premier anywhere in the world who come out and face the public and tell them what's happened.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: So do you have any hope that that's going to happen with everything that's happening with the new administration?
[00:33:39] Speaker A: The analogy to think about here, Ben, because this is so big, is smoking. Smoking is a very important analogy. So 1949, Rosen Hill presented the data to Medical Research Council. Smoking causes lung cancer. 1949. The medical community, no, it can't cause lung cancer. There was papers written about smoking is safe. Doctors and nurses smoke. They advertise cigarettes. This keeps going and going and going. 1964, Luther Terry, the U.S. surgeon General, calls a meeting in Washington to review his findings. Now, this is 15. This is 25 years later. Review his findings unequivocally. Smoking causes cancer and a variety of problems. You should see how pale the faces are of people at the Luther Terry meeting. These doctors look like they were going to vomit at how wrong they were on smoking. This took 25 years. Now it takes another nearly 30 years to get to the tobacco settlement in the 1990s. So I'm telling you right now with these Covid vaccines, we're four years into this. The average doctor can't face the truth. When we finally have that meeting in Washington and we finally have all the medical societies there and they finally face the music, you're going to see people pale and get very nauseous. I've had just a very few doctors call me and say, Dr. McCullough, I can't believe it. I took these vaccines. I had my kids take them. I have my. My patients take them. And I'm sick about it, that this is awful, what we've done to ourselves. But there's very few doctors that have the honesty there. The vast majority of people I meet, doctors, nurses and others say when you mentioned the COVID vaccines, they know something's wrong. And the most common thing they say, Ben, is I don't want to talk about it.
[00:35:42] Speaker B: Denial.
It's unfortunate.
Well, give a little hope because I know you probably have folks calling you and they're certainly calling me and showing up in my practice either not never vaccinated, but some symptoms that started post COVID infection or oftentimes post vaccine where it's. It's clear, timeline is clear. Yeah, give some hope there. Maybe your clinical experience, some. Any protocol. You mentioned the spike detox. So let's talk about that a little bit.
[00:36:17] Speaker A: Yeah, very important. There is something that, you know, each and every person can do after they've had Covid or the vaccine or both, because the vaccines don't work. And you mentioned the word negative efficacy. We're up to six studies now showing not only do the vaccines not work, but you're actually more likely to get Covid if you've taken a shot and get Covid over and over again, particularly healthcare workers. So the vaccines do not work at all. They don't stop Covid. They don't stop transmission. Our CDC says it don't stop transmission, and they don't reduce hospitalization and death. Not a single randomized trial show that. Not a single valid observational studies show that. So the COVID 19 vaccines are a bust. They're probably one of the biggest busts we've ever seen. They're unsafe and they don't work. Now what can we do about it? So the majority of people are not taking any more shots. That's very important. No more shots. Eight states. I testified at one this week. Idaho have legislation in process to just get these off the market. If the federal government's not going to pull it off, they'll get pulled off state by state, which is probably what's going to happen with Same thing happened with restrictions on tobacco as well. It's going to be state by state.
What everybody can do is look towards a detoxification protocol. People are trying a lot of things to get better. But let me tell you, the problem is the spike protein. The spike protein is the spine on the surface of the virus. So this is a virus. It's the little pointy thing on the virus. You get the spike protein in the body from the infection and from the vaccine. And when it gets stuck in the body, you can't get it out. The human body has no enzymes that dissolve the spike protein. So you get a little bit of spike protein from the infection, and you get a lot from the vaccine. And it stays in the body for years if you don't do anything about it. The spike protein damages the heart, the brain, it gets in the muscles, causes fatigue. It's inside blood clots. It's the cause of blood clotting. This spike protein, very important.
You don't get this from other infections. The spike protein is the cause of the problem. So in my practice, I order antibodies against the spike protein, which give us a proxy of how much spike protein is there. I like the labcorp extended range assay, which ranges from less than 0.8 is normal, goes all the way up to 25,000. It gives you an idea of, you know, how much spike protein the body's been exposed to. And then, very importantly, we begin a method to dissolve the spike protein. And for sure, in the literature, nattokinase, which is an enzyme available in a capsule form from the fermentation of soy that dissolves the spike protein for sure. Bromelain derived from the meat and the stems of pineapple, also available in a capsule that works. There may be other enzymes we don't know, but Lumbricase, sereptase and others that may work, but clearly nattokinase and bromelain do. And then we combine it with curcumin derived from turmeric, which helps kind of buffet the spike protein inflammation. We call that McCullough Protocol base spike detoxification. I copyrighted in my name for accountability, just like the treatment protocol and I get feedback all over the world. And Ben, if this didn't work, I would be pounded on social media. Absolutely. Pound it. Instead you go on social media, all you hear is reports of people getting better. It takes a long time, nine months to 12 months or longer. But people do get better on McCullough Protocol based Spike protein detoxification. So nattokinase, brolin and curcumin are in combination capsules. Now one that's popular is by the wellness company. It's called the ultimate spike detox. The dose on the bottle is four capsules a day, so it can broken up to two twice a day or commonly. I do what Jordan Vaughn does at his Birmingham Vaccine blood clot Center. I'm even taking it up to four capsules twice a day. That means the nattokinase dose, Ben, is now 16,000 units a day. So we're much higher than we used to be. We're at medicinal grade use of natural supplements. At the wellness company, we have a bundle. We actually have a product for brain fog called Mindlift and it has a combination of products in it including GABA and lithium orotate. In a very low dose, we have an elevated energy product that helps this fatigue and picoline, there is a key component. And then lastly we have a heart support supplement that contains medicinal doses of selenium, beetroot extract, B vitamins, water, solid vitamins, et cetera. So we actually have a bundle. We said, listen, if you're going to go after this naturally, I think it can be done. Ben, there's so many people, you and I can't possibly see them in the office. I'm overwhelmed. We need people to take action. And at the wellness company, and I'm sure at your company, through your products, the same thing is available or the same, you know, principal products are available that people do. I'm a firm believer of this, that people do need to start using nutraceutical supplements now in order to heal from the pandemic.
[00:41:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm in agreement. We've seen a lot of healing with these kind of products that Dr. McCall is talking about. In fact, we use the wellness company's products oftentimes. Too.
So thank you for all your research and for putting that together in the last few minutes that we have, I think it might be good to speak to the health professionals and specifically the physicians. Like I said, I have physicians reaching out almost weekly now and their main question is how do I get out of this system? In fact, one pediatrician in Austin told me she is so torn because she has two little girls at home. She's working part time as a pediatrician in a corporate clinic setting.
And it, it, she said, I have to treat these kids in my practice differently than I treat my girls at home. And I'm not going to treat my girls at home the way I have to treat these kids in the practice. And it's, it's just tearing her apart. And there's other physicians around the country similar. So for those that are listening and we'll hear this recording, just some encouragement. I mean, you were obviously at the top of the show. You've laid it all out of your academic credentials and, and your, your positions and, and now you're, you're independent and you're, you're doing what you're doing. Now I know that that wasn't all by your choosing necessarily, but just speak to that a little bit from your heart. Just kind of encourage, speak to any advice, just anything for those fellow colleagues.
[00:43:14] Speaker A: Yeah, well, you know, I came from an academic background, so I was just a straight employee. I never had a bonus in my life. I just got a salary from, you know, the medical school or the medical group. And you know, I didn't go into medicine to make a ton of money. I wanted to help people. I wanted to, to advance the, the state of medical science through research and my efforts. I mean, that's, that's what I set out to do.
But you know, as things evolved, Ben, I learned like you, that there's now a very different sentiment in the nation. You know, people don't trust doctors in big medical centers and they don't even trust doctors and insurance companies now. And so the wisest thing for that doctor you mentioned, the pediatrician, the wisest thing is actually to go independent, disenroll from all the insurances. I've done that. I used to accept Medicare, Medicaid and like 2000 different insurance plans. I don't accept any of those now.
Patients pay cash to see me and then, you know, if they want a receipt, they can submit it to their insurance companies and they do. About 40% of them do. And once patients pay cash, several things happen is the doctor can Slow down so I don't need to rush through, through patients like I used to. When I see insurance, patients are much more appreciative and boy, do they show up and they take notes and they pay attention because they're paying for this. It's like paying to see an attorney. It's very much like an attorney now. And, and the satisfaction is enormous. People. The patients are satisfied, I'm satisfied. And, and the, the nurses and other people are satisfied. And, and what I tell patients that, listen, if you insurance doctor, go ahead. There's tons of insurance doctors out there, that's fine. But if you want an independent opinion and you want a doctor to carefully examine you, if you want quality, you can pay cash for it. And the type of cash payments, you know, honestly, people spend this money when they go out to, to, you know, Ruth Chris Steakhouse or they go out for a dinner. It's not much different. So it's not, you know, people, it's, it's, you know, it's not like it's the end of the world to pay cash to see your doctor. And you know, what, what more and more people are doing, but I'm doing this myself, is for health insurance. I just cover the catastrophic things with health insurance. If I get hospitalized with a heart attack or a car wreck, okay, I'm covered there with after I pay a deductible. But all of my clinic things that I need, an outpatient, I just pay cash for. And so I'm in the cash system. The doctors in the cash system. Some people have used the word DPC or direct primary care, but, you know, I'm a specialist. I do both internal medicine and cardiology. And you know what, it works out fine. And so I would encourage more doctors to actually disenroll from insurances and just take cash. And those who are academically inclined, like me, you know, align with academic foundations. I formed the McCullough foundation, which is an academic organization where listed with all the medical journals with the National Institutes of Health.
And it's a 501C3. So you can go to www.mcculloughfnd.org and check out McCullough foundation support McCullough Foundation. There's other organization, Brownstone Institute is an excellent one where they, you know, have academic writers. The former FLCC group Frontline Critical Care Consortium now is the independent medical associates organization, Simone Gold's group called American Frontline Doctors. So there now are independent organizations that have stepped forward and you don't necessarily need, you know, a medical school or need an organization to support clinical research. And I think what we're going to see is we're going to see independent doctors come back into the fold in academia and be consultants, be advisors, you know, go on rounds.
We're already been being asked for. I know you've done this and I've done this. You know, we're already being asked to testify in the state senate, houses of, of commons, Congress, what have you. You know, I've testified multiple times in the U.S. senate. They didn't call the chief of medicine at Mayo Clinic. They didn't call Harvard. You know, they called an independent doctor like me or like you and so many doctors in our circles.
[00:47:57] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I would concur with everything.
[00:48:00] Speaker B: Dr. Mercola just said. You can get out there independently. The satisfaction is unbelievable. And the patient demand is there. We mentioned he's overrun. We're overrun. We have patients from out of state wanting to drive down here, demands there. So don't worry, you won't go hungry, and you can give quality care and the patients will love you for it, and you'll love them. And it's back to the way it used to be be. So, Dr. Peter McCullough, thank you so much. What's the best way for people to follow you, support you, or just what, you know, keep track of you?
[00:48:31] Speaker A: Go to mcculloughfnd.org Stop there. Check it out. Donate, Share support. Go to focal points, substack sign up, Get a free email every day. Get the graphical abstracts, the key updates, the manuscripts. It's all there. Free focal points.
Go. You know, check out my podcast, America Out LouD Talk Radio, McCullough Report and Pulse. I'm on there every week. And then finally go to my website, Peter McCulloughmd.com It'll be a central place. People can, you know, ping me if they want an appointment. I have now moved to some online access, which is helping. Like you, I'm. I'm absolutely overrun with patients doing everything I can, but I want to leave. People hope that through all of this, anytime there's something that's terrible that's happened and the pandemic was terrible. There's great hope and a very bright future. Light always prevails over dark. And Ben, it's been so great to be on the program.
[00:49:35] Speaker C: All right, guys, so that about wraps it up. Dr. Peter McCullough had to go see some patients, but we have just a few more minutes in the show, so I want just to reiterate a few things.
Number One is obviously Dr. McCall is very I'm excited about the nasal rinses and he's doing that himself and hasn't had a cold in seven months. So that is cool. And that's some. Some good research they've done, you know, on the iodine nasal spray. We carry a version of that here. Now I'll warn you, the ph on this is a little on the burning side. It will burn your nostrils. So that's a fair warning. I'll use this more in the mouth if I feel something coming on. Here's a silver nasal spray. We use that Dr. McCollo mentioned silver nasal spray, but the X clear. That's the one he's using. We care that too. I found that to be very beneficial.
So you can get those at the store if you want to. But I will say this guys and not to discount that Dr. McCall is doing that. I haven't been doing that.
So I'm not. My point is you don't have to do that necessarily. I think it's okay if you do that. The thing I'm relying on most is just my natural immune response from a well stewarded body.
So you don't have. Don't. My main point is don't get too caught up in doing all the extras extra vitamin C and extra vitamin A and the nasal washes and all the extra. And skip out on the foundation. It's out that foundation that's key for everything. Now you want to do extra on.
[00:51:03] Speaker B: Top of the foundation.
[00:51:04] Speaker C: I mean I don't have a problem with that. But get that foundation laid and if you don't know what I'm talking about, then get with your wellness navigator. Mitochondrial mechanics. You need to tune that mitochondria up, tune that carburetor up and be a good steward of this physical template is well designed to ward off germs. This amazing nose and sinus cavity and trachea and bronchial tubes. It's an amazing filtration system. So utilize it. You have an amazing immune system with frontline troops, border patrol troops, backup infantry troops. You got carpet bombers that'll come in just bomb the heck out of everything. But it'd be nice if you just let those snipers bing, bing, bing snipe them and and be done. But you've got this robust immune system and you just really need to steward it and definitely don't be walking around in fear. Next to diabetes and underlying fear anxiety condition was the was the second most common reason to have a poor outcome during COVID So don't let the spirit of fear influence your thinking or when you catch it trying to influence your thinking, do a big timeout and pause and go after that, bring the truth to it so you can walk in true peace. I did want to just reiterate Dr. McCullough's substack focal points used to be called courageous discourse. I'm looking at an article here. You can go go on there yourself. On substack, February 3, 2025. The name of the article, Vaccinated versus Unvaccinated Serious and irreversible neurological, developmental and Immune related health risk. And they just lay out these four studies, Mawson et al, 2017, Hooker and Miller 2020.
Hooker and Miller 2021 and then Mawson and Jacob 2025. Go read those studies and you will see a pretty consistent theme across the board which matches the same data that Paul Thomas, pediatrician from Portland, Oregon, who had a very large practice, I believe the largest pediatric practice in Portland, and Dr. Thomas, when he pulled his data from 3,344 pediatric patients, he published this study and it showed clearly this increased risk of chronic disease. So you know, this vaccine topic, we really have to consider the pros and the cons, the short term gain, the long, long term gains, the long term risk, the short term risk, and just weigh it all, risk versus benefit. And unfortunately I just haven't heard a lot of that balanced discussion so that you can make an informed decision.
You know, one thing that seems pretty clear when you ask the immune system to focus on one germ. Let's say a flu shot for influenza with three different strains of influenza. Remember, there's more than three strains of influenza out there and they try to guess and get it right. But then there's thousands and thousands of flu like viruses, non influenza flu like viruses, there's rhinoviruses and coronaviruses and you know, tens of thousands of other viruses. And multiple studies have shown this. And I'll publish this in a vaccine lecture that we'll have in our education courses on the wellness program.
Multiple studies show for flu vaccine it'll decrease the risk of flu by 1.4% on average, vaccinated versus unvaccinated. Decrease your risk of contracting flu by 1.4%. That's based off a Cochrane review published in February of 2018 where they did a review of 52 clinical trials from 1969 to 2009, had over 80,000 participants in all the different studies combined. And that was your average risk reduction. Okay, 1.4. That's not much. But at the Same time, you're increasing your risk of coronavirus infection, you're increasing your risk of swine flu infection, you're increasing your risk of non flu like viruses. So and this goes along with the study from 20.
See this is 2017 actually E biomedicine is the journal, the name of the research paper, the title of it. The introduction of diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and oral polio vaccine among young infants in an urban African community.
A natural experiment. That's the title. The first author is Moanson. M O G E N sen so you can go look that up yourself. Here's a quote from the article. It should be a concern that effect of routine vaccination on all cause mortality was not tested in randomized trials. All currently available evidence suggests that DTP vaccine may kill more children from other causes than it saves from diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis. Though a vaccine protects children against the target disease, it may simultaneously increase susceptibility to unrelated diseases. So there seems to be this pattern focus the immune system on this target disease with this vaccination injection but then coming in the back door these other germs and there's an increase susceptibility with these other germs. So you know, is it a wash? Is it more risk versus you know, and then what's the long term effect on this immune system when we're trying to micromanage our immune response? There are definitely questions to be had. And then based off those four studies I just quoted from Dr. McCullough substack, you know, long term health implications for autoimmune disease, neurodevelopmental delay, autism. There are just so, so many questions out there and the fact that a parent or just an individual can't even ask that question or immediately get shut down. He tried to google search on any of this and it's like you're crazy. It's all just, you know, debunked and quackery and anti vax this and that. Can't even have a conversation about it. Hopefully that kind of language will start to shift. We'll see with whoever Bobby Kennedy gets to, gets in at HHS and, and maybe we can get to the bottom of some of this. You know Dan Burton was a Congressman Years ago, 15 years ago I think was trying to bring this to the floor to committee in the U. S House of Representatives. That was the whistleblower case that we talked about last week or a couple weeks ago with Brian Hooker. And you can go listen to that. And you know that that data from cdc, the whistleblower data, is still sitting there. As far as I know, Congress has never addressed that. So maybe we'll see some of that because we do need the truth to prevail so that parents can make a wise and informed decision. Because as we know, our kids are the sickest ones in the world and we die the youngest, the most highly vaccinated, most highly medicated, most doctor visits and we're the sickest 80, 40, 40% of our kids are overweight or obese. We have a massive autoimmune epidemic on our hands. So there's lots of things we need to bring to the table to start discussing. But hope you enjoyed the show this week. Again, want to point you to our wellness navigators veritas wellnessmember.com we're constantly refining, adding to We've got a program called you're the Cure. It's going to be about a 12 module I believe is where we landed. So it'll be a self paced module, it'll be on an app and it'll have PDFs with it. And half of them of the modules are me talking, teaching and half are the Wellness Navigators and teaching you how to actually implement non standard American diet lifestyle techniques and make it easy to do, easier to do. And there will be the the PDFs and different attachments. So that'll be a great kind of condense everything into this 12 module program and that'll be available soon in the coming months. We were working hard on getting that out and into you. I'm doing a monthly webinar now, a Q A webinar for the wellness members. The Wellness Navigators have their community groups and webinars.
We're trying to be available as best we can to walk with you and guide you in the truth so that you'll stay out of the doctor's office and stay out of every doctor's office and not need this US Healthcare system. That's a sick care system designed to manage your symptoms instead of get to the root cause. Doctors can't cure you, you're the cure. The Wellness Navigators can help walk you right into that. So encourage you to sign up. We do corporate wellness also. So if you're HR or a company owner, consider that basically it's the same program but at a discounted group rate for your corporate folks. And we appreciate all our corporate clients that have been walking with us the last year or so since we launched. All right everybody, be back next week. I think we have Barbara Lowe Fisher on and then future podcasts. We're going to get back to our identity and our thinking and the quantum and supernatural because I'm telling you guys, after 13, 14 years now of integrative medicine, it is the number one, number one, absolutely number one foundational piece is what you believe in your heart. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. Jamie Winship will be back on the show soon.
I think I'm gonna get Joel Salatan on the show. I'll be speaking with him in early May at Seeking Whole Health up in Worcester, Ohio. So check that out. I think we'll be doing a giveaway for a free ticket to attend that during that Joel Salatan show. So that'll be coming in the future, too. We'll have lots of great shows. So again
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[01:00:51] Speaker B: Bye.
